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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2018-06-21 17:24 -0700 |
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The problem with Time The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-21 17:24 -0700
Re: The problem with Time benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-21 21:30 -0400
Re: The problem with Time mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-21 18:47 -0700
Re: The problem with Time The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-21 22:22 -0700
Re: The problem with Time The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-22 00:54 -0700
Re: The problem with Time benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-22 11:46 -0400
Re: The problem with Time benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-22 11:45 -0400
Re: The problem with Time The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-22 11:25 -0700
Re: The problem with Time mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-22 19:11 -0700
Re: The problem with Time Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-22 11:47 +0000
Re: The problem with Time Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 18:58 +0100
Re: The problem with Time benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-22 17:08 -0400
Re: The problem with Time Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 10:53 +0100
Re: The problem with Time mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-24 14:22 -0700
Re: The problem with Time mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-25 15:27 -0700
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-21 17:24 -0700 |
| Subject | The problem with Time |
| Message-ID | <5B2C41A7.6696@ix.netcom.com> |
The problem with Time is... the science guys messed up Time. The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! What time do you got? You don't got my time...you got the wrong time. Then you have ...days, which have nothing to do with time.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-21 21:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <YiYWC.329334$ll2.324467@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #462100 |
On 6/21/2018 8:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > The problem with Time is... > the science guys messed up Time. > > The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... > > they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! > > > What time do you got? You don't got my time...you got the wrong time. > > > Then you have ...days, which have nothing to do with time. > Days are the time that existed with God created the Universe. This time is MY time! This time YOUR time! From Kalifornia to the faker day time! Hey Faker your time is not mine and mine is not yours! My time is a bit later than yours and yours is a bit later than mine. This is always true. This is a "deep thought". Think about it.
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-06-21 18:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6a34c7a7-16c3-423d-9237-c6258d72ad15@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462109 |
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 6:30:33 PM UTC-7, benj wrote: > On 6/21/2018 8:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > The problem with Time is... > > the science guys messed up Time. > > > > The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... > > > > they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! > > > > > > What time do you got? You don't got my time...you got the wrong time. > > > > > > Then you have ...days, which have nothing to do with time. > > > Days are the time that existed with God created the Universe. > > This time is MY time! This time YOUR time! From Kalifornia to the faker > day time! > > Hey Faker your time is not mine and mine is not yours! My time is a bit > later than yours and yours is a bit later than mine. This is always > true. This is a "deep thought". Think about it. We are measuring time through motion. Motion is the floating through the primary aether field of space-time immaterial. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-21 22:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5B2C87B2.72B7@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #462109 |
benj wrote: > > On 6/21/2018 8:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > The problem with Time is... > > the science guys messed up Time. > > > > The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... > > > > they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! > > > > > > What time do you got? You don't got my time...you got the wrong time. > > > > > > Then you have ...days, which have nothing to do with time. > > > Days are the time that existed with God created the Universe. > What time is it? Oh, it's Wednesday O'clock! Days are the time???? That is the most stupidest thing I ever heard...
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-22 00:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5B2CAB18.1D83@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #462132 |
mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 10:22:09 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > benj wrote: > > > > > > On 6/21/2018 8:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The problem with Time is... > > > > the science guys messed up Time. > > > > > > > > The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... > > > > > > > > they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! > > > > > > > > > > > > What time do you got? You don't got my time...you got the wrong time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you have ...days, which have nothing to do with time. > > > > > > > Days are the time that existed with God created the Universe. > > > > > > > > > What time is it? Oh, it's Wednesday O'clock! > > > > > > > > > > Days are the time???? That is the most stupidest thing I ever heard... > > They are their own time. The rate of one Earth's rotation. > Apparently You are more stupid than what you have heard. > > People shouldn't give you the time of the day then... > TeeHeeHee... > > Mitchell Raemsch Taking a day..and dividing it up into Time does not make a day...time. I thought I already explained... The problem with Time is... the science guys messed up Time. they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! It appears to me Time doesn't exist, and it's just an , an invention of man. Days are not Time. Time is just the division of a day...a day divided by man... the earth does not ...tick.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-22 11:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <HR8XC.162143$np1.118079@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #462140 |
On 6/22/2018 3:54 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 10:22:09 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>> benj wrote: >>>> >>>> On 6/21/2018 8:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> The problem with Time is... >>>>> the science guys messed up Time. >>>>> >>>>> The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... >>>>> >>>>> they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What time do you got? You don't got my time...you got the wrong time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then you have ...days, which have nothing to do with time. >>>>> >>>> Days are the time that existed with God created the Universe. >>>> >>> >>> >>> What time is it? Oh, it's Wednesday O'clock! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Days are the time???? That is the most stupidest thing I ever heard... >> >> They are their own time. The rate of one Earth's rotation. >> Apparently You are more stupid than what you have heard. >> >> People shouldn't give you the time of the day then... >> TeeHeeHee... >> >> Mitchell Raemsch > > Taking a day..and dividing it up into Time does not make a day...time. > > I thought I already explained... > > The problem with Time is... > the science guys messed up Time. > they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, > hours...nanoseconds! > > It appears to me Time doesn't exist, and it's just an , an invention of > man. > > Days are not Time. Time is just the division of a day...a day divided by > man... > > the earth does not ...tick. > Mitch and Starfaker arguing about if a day is or is not time! This is going to be rich!
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-22 11:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3Q8XC.162142$np1.46716@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #462132 |
On 6/22/2018 1:22 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > benj wrote: >> >> On 6/21/2018 8:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> The problem with Time is... >>> the science guys messed up Time. >>> >>> The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... >>> >>> they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! >>> >>> >>> What time do you got? You don't got my time...you got the wrong time. >>> >>> >>> Then you have ...days, which have nothing to do with time. >>> >> Days are the time that existed with God created the Universe. >> > > > What time is it? Oh, it's Wednesday O'clock! > > Days are the time???? That is the most stupidest thing I ever heard... Hey, if God says making the universe took several "days" then who are you to question it? It's like questioning the TV news. It's just not done.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-22 11:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5B2D3F2F.17A9@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #462182 |
benj wrote: > > On 6/22/2018 1:22 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > benj wrote: > >> > >> On 6/21/2018 8:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> The problem with Time is... > >>> the science guys messed up Time. > >>> > >>> The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... > >>> > >>> they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! > >>> > >>> > >>> What time do you got? You don't got my time...you got the wrong time. > >>> > >>> > >>> Then you have ...days, which have nothing to do with time. > >>> > >> Days are the time that existed with God created the Universe. > >> > > > > > > What time is it? Oh, it's Wednesday O'clock! > > > > Days are the time???? That is the most stupidest thing I ever heard... > > Hey, if God says making the universe took several "days" then who are > you to question it? It's like questioning the TV news. It's just not done. Is inglish your seventh language? A day is from night to night or day to day...God didn't say it takes ...24 hours! He was talking about earth rotation....not the time on His rolex watch. And if the earth stopped rotating...
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-06-22 19:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8af4e138-735c-4ceb-a82b-139e6fd81ffd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462132 |
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 10:22:08 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > benj wrote: > > > > On 6/21/2018 8:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > > The problem with Time is... > > > the science guys messed up Time. > > > > > > The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... > > > > > > they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! > > > > > > > > > What time do you got? You don't got my time...you got the wrong time. > > > > > > > > > Then you have ...days, which have nothing to do with time. > > > > > Days are the time that existed with God created the Universe. > > > > > What time is it? Oh, it's Wednesday O'clock! > One unit of Earth's turn time is its day plus its following night duration. A year for the Earth is its complete orbital unit around the Sun. > > > Days are the time???? That is the most stupidest thing I ever heard... Day's are time because of Earth's round turning motion. Years are time because of Earth's orbital motion. There is a much larger unit of duration... around the Milky Way orbital complete unit. Our galaxies gravity order takes the solar system center carrying the Earth around the Milky Way with it. Motion around the Milky Way is also its own time. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> |
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| Date | 2018-06-22 11:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pginl3$1ohh$5@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #462109 |
benj wrote: > Hey Faker your time is not mine and mine is not yours! My time is a bit > later than yours and yours is a bit later than mine. This is always > true. This is a "deep thought". Think about it. There is no time, friend. Only events. Successive, and never simultaneous. The wannabes uneducated "self-taught" around here always commit this mistake.
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| From | Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-22 18:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <aNaXC.500935$B36.468240@fx22.am4> |
| In reply to | #462100 |
On 22/06/2018 01:24, The Starmaker wrote: > The problem with Time is... > the science guys messed up Time. > > The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... Philosophers talk about time, Science guys measure time, with clocks eh! The mistake they made was to believe that clocks are in any way affected by walking towards or away from them. Note that if clocks are not affected by walking towards them, then the velocity of light relative to you when you walk towards the light must be c+v, not c eh! keith stein
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-22 17:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <LzdXC.362094$br4.114999@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #462210 |
On 6/22/2018 1:58 PM, Keith Stein wrote: > On 22/06/2018 01:24, The Starmaker wrote: >> The problem with Time is... >> the science guys messed up Time. >> >> The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... > > Philosophers talk about time, > Science guys measure time, with clocks eh! > > The mistake they made was to believe that > clocks are in any way affected by walking > towards or away from them. > > Note that if clocks are not affected > by walking towards them, then the velocity > of light relative to you when you walk > towards the light must be c+v, not c eh! > > keith stein Obviously you are no more a philosopher than Starfaker. The question is not are clocks affected by your motion with respect to them but rather is your PERCEPTIOIN of their readings affected. There is no aether drift so c+v Is ALWAYS totally stupid and wrong, wrong, wrong.
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| From | Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-24 10:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <zSJXC.428670$r6.224538@fx10.am4> |
| In reply to | #462238 |
On 22/06/2018 22:08, benj wrote:
> On 6/22/2018 1:58 PM, Keith Stein wrote:
>> On 22/06/2018 01:24, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> The problem with Time is...
>>> the science guys messed up Time.
>>>
>>> The first mistake they made was trying to measure time...
>>
>> Philosophers talk about time,
>> Science guys measure time, with clocks eh!
>>
>> The mistake they made was to believe that
>> clocks are in any way affected by walking
>> towards or away from them.
>>
>> Note that if clocks are not affected
>> by walking towards them, then the velocity
>> of light relative to you when you walk
>> towards the light must be c+v, not c eh!
>>
>> keith stein
>
> Obviously you are no more a philosopher than Starfaker.
>
> The question is not are clocks affected by your motion with respect to
> them but rather is your PERCEPTIOIN of their readings affected.
Of course clocks APPEAR to run slower if you move away from them,
and the APPEAR to run faster when you move towards them. This is
the well understood DOPPLER EFFECT, and if you account for it correctly
then of course you do not require any relativistic time dilation.
> There is no aether drift
Agreed.
> so c+v Is ALWAYS totally stupid and wrong, wrong, wrong.
No! If clocks are not affected by walking towards them, then
c+v is INEVITABLE eh!
A<-------- L m ------------->B
TA TB
As viewed from stationary (laboratory) frame:
Speed of light = L / (TB-TA) = c
As viewed from frame of reference in which laboratory is moving to the
right at v m/s.
Light must travel an extra distance = v*(TB-TA)
This being the distance B moves as the light travels from A to B.
Therefore speed of light as viewed from frame of reference in which
laboratory is moving to the right at v m/s = c + v
keith stein
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-06-24 14:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cd083a4c-cb73-4fb6-a38e-acd935eb33c2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462436 |
On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 2:53:37 AM UTC-7, Keith Stein wrote: > On 22/06/2018 22:08, benj wrote: > > On 6/22/2018 1:58 PM, Keith Stein wrote: > >> On 22/06/2018 01:24, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> The problem with Time is... > >>> the science guys messed up Time. > >>> > >>> The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... > >> > >> Philosophers talk about time, > >> Science guys measure time, with clocks eh! > >> > >> The mistake they made was to believe that > >> clocks are in any way affected by walking > >> towards or away from them. > >> > >> Note that if clocks are not affected > >> by walking towards them, then the velocity > >> of light relative to you when you walk > >> towards the light must be c+v, not c eh! > >> > >> keith stein > > > > Obviously you are no more a philosopher than Starfaker. > > > > The question is not are clocks affected by your motion with respect to > > them but rather is your PERCEPTIOIN of their readings affected. > > Of course clocks APPEAR to run slower if you move away from them, > and the APPEAR to run faster when you move towards them. This is > the well understood DOPPLER EFFECT, and if you account for it correctly > then of course you do not require any relativistic time dilation. > > > > > There is no aether drift > > Agreed. > > > so c+v Is ALWAYS totally stupid and wrong, wrong, wrong. > > No! If clocks are not affected by walking towards them, then > c+v is INEVITABLE eh! > > A<-------- L m ------------->B > TA TB > > As viewed from stationary (laboratory) frame: > Speed of light = L / (TB-TA) = c > > As viewed from frame of reference in which laboratory is moving to the > right at v m/s. > Light must travel an extra distance = v*(TB-TA) > This being the distance B moves as the light travels from A to B. > > Therefore speed of light as viewed from frame of reference in which > laboratory is moving to the right at v m/s = c + v > > keith stein Light moves at its constant in dimension. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-06-25 15:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <150c8932-a33c-4e0b-84d7-fedb87f19c3c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #462100 |
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 5:25:06 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > The problem with Time is... > the science guys messed up Time. > > The first mistake they made was trying to measure time... > > they messed it up by dividing Time up in seconds, minutes, hours...nanoseconds! > > > What time do you got? You don't got my time...you got the wrong time. That's a sign that you are misusing time... Roy Masters. Mitchell Raemsch > > > Then you have ...days, which have nothing to do with time.
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