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There is no future

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2018-05-20 23:08 -0700
Last post2018-05-21 14:46 -0700
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  There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-20 23:08 -0700
    Re: There is no future SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-05-21 20:30 +1000
    Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-21 09:18 -0700
      Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-21 11:40 -0700
        Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-22 08:36 -0700
          Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-22 13:24 -0400
          Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-22 13:49 -0700
            Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-22 22:31 -0400
              Re: There is no future Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 03:12 +0000
                The answer isn't meaningful to most people. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-22 23:34 -0700
                  Re: The answer isn't meaningful to most people. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-23 10:12 -0400
                    Re: The answer isn't meaningful to most people. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-23 16:54 +0000
              Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-22 23:12 -0700
                Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-23 10:55 -0700
                  Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-23 10:59 -0700
                    Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-23 17:56 -0400
                  Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-23 17:55 -0400
                    Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-23 14:59 -0700
              Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-22 23:19 -0700
                Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-23 10:10 -0400
          Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 08:38 -0700
            Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-24 11:56 -0400
              Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 10:45 -0700
                Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-24 20:30 -0400
                  Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 22:17 -0700
                    Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-25 10:46 -0400
                      Re: There is no future Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-26 09:56 +0000
                        Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-26 11:45 -0400
                          Re: There is no future mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-05-26 12:56 -0700
            Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-25 11:48 -0700
              Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-25 17:47 -0400
              Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-28 23:43 -0700
                Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-29 07:03 -0400
                  Re: There is no future Vaughn Fleck <guah@nhnw.nc> - 2018-05-30 19:13 +0000
                Re: There is no future HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-05-30 08:50 +1000
                Re: There is no future HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-06-01 08:45 +1000
                  Re: There is no future Vaughn Fleck <guah@nhnw.nc> - 2018-06-01 19:58 +0000
              Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-28 23:48 -0700
                Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-29 07:08 -0400
                  Re: There is no future Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-30 03:46 -0600
                    Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-30 10:10 -0700
                Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-03 13:22 -0700
                  Re: There is no future mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-03 14:07 -0700
      Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-21 16:04 -0400
        Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-21 13:35 -0700
          Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-21 16:53 -0400
            Re: There is no future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-21 14:56 -0700
              Re: There is no future benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-21 20:21 -0400
    Re: There is no future mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-05-21 14:46 -0700

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#459836

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-05-30 10:10 -0700
Message-ID<5B0EDB1E.6955@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#459805
Greg Goss wrote:
> 
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> 
> >I'm not worried if there is a future. Chances are pretty good there is
> >and if there isn't nobody will know. My problem is more practical,
> >namely, I worry if in MY future your drooling "deep thoughts" blather
> >will be in it. I keep hoping your future does not exist, but so far no
> >such luck.
> 
> Starmaker's deep thoughts have not been in MY world for four or five
> years.  Except when someone like you takes a liking to him.
> 
> Killfile him.
> --
> We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.


forgetabout fileing him...just kill him...period!

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#460186

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-06-03 13:22 -0700
Message-ID<5B144E14.497@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#459681
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > if everybody is sooo uncertain about the future...
> > >
> > > the answer is simple, ...there is no future.
> 
> you know...i'm a little uncertain about the future as most of yous
> are...
> 
> the question is...Is There a Future?
> 
> I thought today was today but it's tommorow isn't it????


okay, I'll explain in a different way...

no future
no past

you just have memories and
dreams of the past and future.

the past and future is all in your head.


Now, ..i mean NOW

the present..
the always present

is made of of 
millions and billions
and trillions
of units
yous call...events.

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#460190

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-06-03 14:07 -0700
Message-ID<e4b4ed11-9648-4bab-8dcc-b3f6ff1b89ea@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#460186
On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 1:22:48 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > if everybody is sooo uncertain about the future...
> > > >
> > > > the answer is simple, ...there is no future.
> > 
> > you know...i'm a little uncertain about the future as most of yous
> > are...
> > 
> > the question is...Is There a Future?
> > 
> > I thought today was today but it's tommorow isn't it????
> 
> 
> okay, I'll explain in a different way...
> 
> no future
> no past
> 
> you just have memories and
> dreams of the past and future.
> 
> the past and future is all in your head.
> 
> 
> Now, ..i mean NOW
> 
> the present..
> the always present
> 
> is made of of 
> millions and billions
> and trillions
> of units
> yous call...events.

The future will exist. It is yet to take place.
As the past has already...

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#458741

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-21 16:04 -0400
Message-ID<KDFMC.138054$o43.27726@fx33.iad>
In reply to#458687
On 5/21/2018 12:18 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> There is no future...
>> or proof that a future exist.
> 
> 
> 
> I know you people haven't given it....much thought.
> 
> 
> If you're not certain about the future, how do you know there is one?
> 
Oh Starfaker, you are such a towering intellect!
We all love it when you amaze us with your "deep thoughts"!

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#458742

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-05-21 13:35 -0700
Message-ID<5B032DA9.1DCD@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#458741
benj wrote:
> 
> On 5/21/2018 12:18 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> There is no future...
> >> or proof that a future exist.
> >
> >
> >
> > I know you people haven't given it....much thought.
> >
> >
> > If you're not certain about the future, how do you know there is one?
> >
> Oh Starfaker, you are such a towering intellect!
> We all love it when you amaze us with your "deep thoughts"!


Yes, tell us about your ..."probable futures"!

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#458746

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-21 16:53 -0400
Message-ID<3lGMC.142422$nq5.125652@fx36.iad>
In reply to#458742
On 5/21/2018 4:35 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> benj wrote:
>>
>> On 5/21/2018 12:18 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is no future...
>>>> or proof that a future exist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know you people haven't given it....much thought.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're not certain about the future, how do you know there is one?
>>>
>> Oh Starfaker, you are such a towering intellect!
>> We all love it when you amaze us with your "deep thoughts"!
> 
> 
> Yes, tell us about your ..."probable futures"!
> 
Starfaker, if you knew any science at all (which you do not) You'd know 
that causality is a natural law in the earth. This law states that "no 
present events are ever determined by future events". Since we are all 
living in the present (or more exactly just a little bit past it), this 
law shows that the actual future can never be known because there is 
NOTHING that can be monitored in the present which can be associated 
with the true future. Hence one can never know for certain even if there 
is going to be a future a moment from now.

On the other hand "the most probable future" is another matter. In 
nature there is phenomena observed which is termed "inertia" This from 
Newton is that objects hurtling along in a straight line just as they 
are unless acted upon in some manner. That means that all objects 
sliding into the future will for the most part exist in the next moment 
of time pretty much as they are in the previous moment. Inertia. What 
this allows is for one to make a PROJECTION of the "most probable" 
future. You can't offer any guarantee of it, but generally speaking 
experience has shown that most such projections do indeed come to pass.

Starfaker you are still an idiot.

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#458758

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-05-21 14:56 -0700
Message-ID<5B034093.5699@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#458746
benj wrote:
> 
> On 5/21/2018 4:35 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > benj wrote:
> >>
> >> On 5/21/2018 12:18 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> There is no future...
> >>>> or proof that a future exist.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I know you people haven't given it....much thought.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you're not certain about the future, how do you know there is one?
> >>>
> >> Oh Starfaker, you are such a towering intellect!
> >> We all love it when you amaze us with your "deep thoughts"!
> >
> >
> > Yes, tell us about your ..."probable futures"!
> >
> Starfaker, if you knew any science at all (which you do not) You'd know
> that causality is a natural law in the earth. This law states that "no
> present events are ever determined by future events". Since we are all
> living in the present (or more exactly just a little bit past it), this
> law shows that the actual future can never be known because there is
> NOTHING that can be monitored in the present which can be associated
> with the true future. Hence one can never know for certain even if there
> is going to be a future a moment from now.
> 
> On the other hand "the most probable future" is another matter. In
> nature there is phenomena observed which is termed "inertia" This from
> Newton is that objects hurtling along in a straight line just as they
> are unless acted upon in some manner. That means that all objects
> sliding into the future will for the most part exist in the next moment
> of time pretty much as they are in the previous moment. Inertia. What
> this allows is for one to make a PROJECTION of the "most probable"
> future. You can't offer any guarantee of it, but generally speaking
> experience has shown that most such projections do indeed come to pass.
> 
> Starfaker you are still an idiot.


You make a great kindergaten teacher, you slap the kid on the head...


let me know when you reached the future...

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#458773

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-21 20:21 -0400
Message-ID<moJMC.154568$T14.15898@fx44.iad>
In reply to#458758
On 5/21/2018 5:56 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> benj wrote:
>>
>> On 5/21/2018 4:35 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> benj wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 5/21/2018 12:18 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no future...
>>>>>> or proof that a future exist.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you people haven't given it....much thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're not certain about the future, how do you know there is one?
>>>>>
>>>> Oh Starfaker, you are such a towering intellect!
>>>> We all love it when you amaze us with your "deep thoughts"!
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, tell us about your ..."probable futures"!
>>>
>> Starfaker, if you knew any science at all (which you do not) You'd know
>> that causality is a natural law in the earth. This law states that "no
>> present events are ever determined by future events". Since we are all
>> living in the present (or more exactly just a little bit past it), this
>> law shows that the actual future can never be known because there is
>> NOTHING that can be monitored in the present which can be associated
>> with the true future. Hence one can never know for certain even if there
>> is going to be a future a moment from now.
>>
>> On the other hand "the most probable future" is another matter. In
>> nature there is phenomena observed which is termed "inertia" This from
>> Newton is that objects hurtling along in a straight line just as they
>> are unless acted upon in some manner. That means that all objects
>> sliding into the future will for the most part exist in the next moment
>> of time pretty much as they are in the previous moment. Inertia. What
>> this allows is for one to make a PROJECTION of the "most probable"
>> future. You can't offer any guarantee of it, but generally speaking
>> experience has shown that most such projections do indeed come to pass.
>>
>> Starfaker you are still an idiot.
> 
> 
> You make a great kindergaten teacher, you slap the kid on the head...

Obviously not very effective in your case.

> let me know when you reached the future...

Depends if the future is really there to reach or not. I can't tell if 
it is. (Deep thoughts).

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#458755

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-05-21 14:46 -0700
Message-ID<c5f7379c-5e21-4259-9f7d-016ef3ae772b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#458644
On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 11:08:51 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> There is no future...
> or proof that a future exist.

A future will exist as an eventual now.

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