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The Shape of the Universe.

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2018-04-17 23:36 -0700
Last post2018-04-25 15:33 -0700
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  The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-17 23:36 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-18 00:12 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-18 00:42 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-18 22:26 +1000
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 05:34 -0700
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-18 17:02 -0700
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 17:08 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-18 17:33 +1000
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-18 10:27 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-19 12:19 +1000
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-19 23:51 -0700
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-21 22:02 +1000
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-21 09:25 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-22 16:23 +1000
                  Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-22 13:48 -0700
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SoloomonW@citi.com.au> - 2018-04-23 10:35 +1000
                      Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-22 21:13 -0700
                        Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-22 23:23 -0700
                          Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-22 23:31 -0700
                        Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-23 20:04 +1000
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 11:56 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 20:17 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-18 10:18 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-18 13:33 -0400
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-19 23:53 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 12:26 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:30 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:39 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:37 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-04-20 07:38 -0400
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 07:52 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-20 10:07 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:40 -0700
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:43 -0700
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:50 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 11:20 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-22 17:40 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-20 23:49 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-23 10:31 -0500
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-23 22:50 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-24 20:48 +1000
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-04-24 04:51 -0700
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-24 23:44 -0500
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-25 00:17 -0700
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-25 09:48 +0000
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-04-25 04:46 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-24 08:49 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-24 08:50 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-24 23:21 -0500
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-25 20:25 +1000
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. Klaus Meinhard <k_meinhard@gmx.de> - 2018-04-25 08:53 +0200
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-25 20:28 +1000
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-25 10:42 -0500
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-25 13:33 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 14:05 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 21:45 +0000
                  Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 15:11 -0700
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 22:25 +0000
                      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 15:43 -0700
                        Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 15:46 -0700
                          Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 16:05 -0700
                            Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 16:57 -0700
                              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 17:22 -0700
                                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 17:24 -0700
                            Re: The Shape of the Universe. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 13:01 +0000
                              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 06:39 -0700
                                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 14:29 +0000
                                  Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 07:58 -0700
                                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 08:16 -0700
                                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 16:08 +0000
                                      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 10:38 -0700
                                        Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 11:01 -0700
                              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 06:40 -0700
                                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 07:12 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-25 22:53 -0500
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 21:13 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-26 00:00 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-27 21:18 +0000
                  Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-27 14:36 -0700
                    Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-27 21:44 +0000
                      You're a consumer. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-27 14:52 -0700
                        Re: You're a consumer. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-27 19:07 -0400
                    Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-27 19:05 -0400
                    Toss a rock up, and it "remembers" to come down. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-27 16:23 -0700
                    Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-02 15:47 -0500
                      Gravity is SpaceTime, the 4D TimeScape; it's everywhere, always. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-02 14:30 -0700
                        Re: Gravity is SpaceTime, the 4D TimeScape; it's everywhere, always. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-03 06:53 +0000
                          Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-03 01:11 -0700
                            Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-03 16:53 +0000
                              Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 11:38 -0400
                                Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-04 09:07 -0700
                                  Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-04 17:53 +0000
                                    Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 19:06 -0700
                                      Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-05 11:22 +0000
                  Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-27 16:38 -0500
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-27 21:53 +0000
                      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-27 15:01 -0700
                      Re: The Shape of the Universe. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-28 11:31 -0700
                        Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-05-01 11:10 +0000
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-27 21:41 -0700
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-29 03:27 +0200
                      Re: The Shape of the Universe. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-28 22:51 -0400
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-29 03:06 +0200
                  Re: The Shape of the Universe. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-28 22:30 -0700
                  Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-30 09:31 -0500
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-30 16:23 +0000
                      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-30 09:25 -0700
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-05-01 01:27 +0100
                      Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-01 13:12 -0700
                        Re: The Shape of the Universe. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-05-24 21:01 +0200
                          Re: The Shape of the Universe. Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-24 19:35 +0000
                            Re: The Shape of the Universe. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-05-24 19:04 -0700
                              Re: The Shape of the Universe. Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-25 08:43 +0000
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-26 19:44 +1000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-26 08:18 -0700
                  Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-28 00:16 +1000
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-27 07:46 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-28 11:52 +0000
                  Re: The Shape of the Universe. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-28 14:23 -0400
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-28 12:00 -0700
                      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-28 12:01 -0700
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-05-01 11:07 +0000
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 12:33 -0500
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-28 10:55 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-28 14:34 -0400
                  Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-28 22:33 -0500
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-28 22:33 -0700
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-29 03:17 -0400
                    Re: The Shape of the Universe. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-04-29 09:21 -0400
                      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-29 07:26 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-28 11:44 -0700
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. Klaus Meinhard <k_meinhard@gmx.de> - 2018-04-27 09:47 +0200
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2018-04-27 21:39 +0200
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-27 13:25 -0700
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-25 15:33 -0700

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#456503

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 11:56 -0700
Message-ID<d6f9b5a5-9d25-4e04-859e-77f848520087@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456376
SolomonW escrito 

How do you go around a circle if the ring is expanding greater then light speed. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vcsw9gNZnE3UX30F3

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KqiHsHw2kAl45wlk1

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#456379

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 20:17 -0700
Message-ID<f9c83088-bd3d-4ee5-8057-d71027df24ef@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456327
On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 12:27:30 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> it's called, "We're expanding!"

NO NO NO ..... 

Time Passing form the Present to the Future Causes Entropy to Rise, Causing an Effect that looks like Expansion 

Rising Entropy = Dropping Energy Density = Lower Wave Speed of the Medium = 

Universe shifting TO More (Mass like) FROM (Light Like)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/cki2gIhyhpx9dSDo2

https://photos.app.goo.gl/DussqMGRJpLcfE9o2


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#456323

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-04-18 10:18 -0700
Message-ID<5AD77DC8.1AB8@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#456275
Mark Earnest wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 1:36:51 AM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Shape of the Universe.
> >
> > There seems to be a question whether the universe if flat or curved.
> >
> > The answer is very simple..the universe is both flat and curved.
> >
> > If you go very fast in one direction at eye level...you will return and
> >
> > see the back of your head. Because the universe is curved.
> >
> > But the flat part of the curved universe can easily be seen...
> >
> > if you look down, or go down you will quickly hit the floor of the universe...and
> >
> > if you go up, you can touch the top of the universe.
> >
> > But if you move at eye level straight, it curves.
> >
> > But here is the catch..
> >
> > in order to get pass the curvature of the universe to get pass the curvature..where
> >
> > the universe is infinite, you need to get pass the curvature 'ring' of the universe.
> >
> > Just simply picture a medium size pizza (with pepperoni) inside a very large infinite size pizza flat box.
> 
> Please clarify exactly what you mean by the universe being curved.  The planet Earth is curved.  The Moon is curved.  Women are curved.


The pizza in the box is curved all around.

Didn't you bother to look into the box?

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#456331

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-04-18 13:33 -0400
Message-ID<CjLBC.20081$xS3.4658@fx04.iad>
In reply to#456275
On 4/18/2018 2:36 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Shape of the Universe.
> 
> There seems to be a question whether the universe if flat or curved.
> 
> The answer is very simple..the universe is both flat and curved.
> 
> If you go very fast in one direction at eye level...you will return and
> 
> see the back of your head. Because the universe is curved.
> 
> But the flat part of the curved universe can easily be seen...
> 
> if you look down, or go down you will quickly hit the floor of the universe...and
> 
> if you go up, you can touch the top of the universe.
> 
> But if you move at eye level straight, it curves.
> 
> But here is the catch..
> 
> in order to get pass the curvature of the universe to get pass the curvature..where
> 
> the universe is infinite, you need to get pass the curvature 'ring' of the universe.
> 
> Just simply picture a medium size pizza (with pepperoni) inside a very large infinite size pizza flat box.
> 
Faker, this is utter babbling drool. You are NEVER going to have a clue 
about science and math.You just babble one like Mitch figuring that if 
you can make as little sense as possible people will mistake it for the 
hard to understand theories of Einstein. Sorry, Faker but people who 
understand science will spot your babble right away. The only people you 
are fooling are people dumber than yourself. (which isn't many)

Only human stupidity is known to be infinite.

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#456468

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-04-19 23:53 -0700
Message-ID<5AD98E68.3700@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#456331
benj wrote:
> 
> On 4/18/2018 2:36 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Shape of the Universe.
> >
> > There seems to be a question whether the universe if flat or curved.
> >
> > The answer is very simple..the universe is both flat and curved.
> >
> > If you go very fast in one direction at eye level...you will return and
> >
> > see the back of your head. Because the universe is curved.
> >
> > But the flat part of the curved universe can easily be seen...
> >
> > if you look down, or go down you will quickly hit the floor of the universe...and
> >
> > if you go up, you can touch the top of the universe.
> >
> > But if you move at eye level straight, it curves.
> >
> > But here is the catch..
> >
> > in order to get pass the curvature of the universe to get pass the curvature..where
> >
> > the universe is infinite, you need to get pass the curvature 'ring' of the universe.
> >
> > Just simply picture a medium size pizza (with pepperoni) inside a very large infinite size pizza flat box.
> >
> Faker, this is utter babbling drool. You are NEVER going to have a clue
> about science and math.You just babble one like Mitch figuring that if
> you can make as little sense as possible people will mistake it for the
> hard to understand theories of Einstein. Sorry, Faker but people who
> understand science will spot your babble right away. The only people you
> are fooling are people dumber than yourself. (which isn't many)
> 
> Only human stupidity is known to be infinite.


are you going to do the "infinite stupidity" quote...infinitly?

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#456345

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-04-18 12:26 -0700
Message-ID<4097c994-01c3-4444-944d-7df626d33a80@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456275
On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 11:36:53 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Shape of the Universe.
> 
> There seems to be a question whether the universe if flat or curved.
> 
> The answer is very simple..the universe is both flat and curved.

Really? How simple is that? How did you come to that conclusion?
Can you define what about the universe is flat with what
of the universe is curved?

Mitchell Raemsch

> 
> If you go very fast in one direction at eye level...you will return and
> 
> see the back of your head. Because the universe is curved.
> 
> But the flat part of the curved universe can easily be seen...
> 
> if you look down, or go down you will quickly hit the floor of the universe...and
> 
> if you go up, you can touch the top of the universe.
> 
> But if you move at eye level straight, it curves.
> 
> But here is the catch..
> 
> in order to get pass the curvature of the universe to get pass the curvature..where
> 
> the universe is infinite, you need to get pass the curvature 'ring' of the universe.
> 
> Just simply picture a medium size pizza (with pepperoni) inside a very large infinite size pizza flat box.

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#456346

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 12:30 -0700
Message-ID<2d29182e-ac86-44c0-b05d-23e111bff613@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456345
mitchr...@gmail.com
On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 11:36:53 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: 
> The Shape of the Universe. 
> 
> There seems to be a question whether the universe if flat or curved. 
> 
> The answer is very simple..the universe is both flat and curved. 

Really? How simple is that? How did you come to that conclusion? 
Can you define what about the universe is flat with what 
of the universe is curved? 

Mitchell Raemsch 

Flat & Curved are EXTREMELY POOR descriptors

“BALANCED” or Equilibrium is a much better descriptor

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#456350

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 12:39 -0700
Message-ID<bf4a1c29-63fe-4641-916e-bc3f3ae3ee13@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456346
(tau/7/c^2*1e17)^0.25 = 0.99967793316 

7 Axis 

XYZ*(m*s)^2 = 7 axis

cos(x)+cos(y)+cos(z)= 0 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/C49aNNCBAEHYd2Ng1 

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#456348

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 12:37 -0700
Message-ID<46f62d71-864f-444d-8896-4ab64cd60143@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456345
(tau/7/c^2*1e17)^0.25 = 0.99967793316

7 Axis

XYZ/(m*s)^4 = 7 

cos(x)+cos(y)+cos(z)= 0

https://photos.app.goo.gl/C49aNNCBAEHYd2Ng1

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#456475

Fromcasagiannoni@optonline.net
Date2018-04-20 07:38 -0400
Message-ID<ltjjddl5nsp69pkutsbp8glulno1n63g3h@4ax.com>
In reply to#456275
The Universe means by definition EVERYTHING, so it doesn't have a
shape, in any reasonable sense.

If e.g. you say it's a sphere, then outside the sphere is by
definition also part of the universe, hence the whole has no shape.

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#456481

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 07:52 -0700
Message-ID<08d026b3-ae5e-494e-a4bf-a034b50e4c9c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456475
casagi...@optonline.net wrote

The Universe means by definition EVERYTHING, so it doesn't have a 
shape, in any reasonable sense. 

If e.g. you say it's a sphere, then outside the sphere is by 
definition also part of the universe, hence the whole has no shape. 

After 14.0047821766  billion light years, a Photon emitted at Planck temperature will have dropped below Planck's Constant . 

So that is the Horizon of the Universe and a Different Universe after that 

(hbar / s)*14.0047821766 billion light years*c/(4pi/3) = 1 

(s/hbar *Joules^2 ) = 5.91852459e52 eV Photon 

(s/hbar *Joules^2 )/ 1.416808e32 Kelvin /6.52749404442^2/(pi/2) = 1 

“CAUSALITY” IS SPHERICAL because of the INVERSE SQUARE LAW

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#456496

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-04-20 10:07 -0700
Message-ID<5ADA1E61.2324@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#456475
casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> 
> The Universe means by definition EVERYTHING, so it doesn't have a
> shape, in any reasonable sense.
> 
> If e.g. you say it's a sphere, then outside the sphere is by
> definition also part of the universe, hence the whole has no shape.



Well, 'these people' in the scientific community view the universe as everything in the big bang.

I cannot get pass their...groupthink mentality. I have to work with it...it's first grade science.

I'll lose them if I start teaching second grade science...


The only thing they understand is...pizza.



Now class...i got a slice of pizza in my hand, it has a curve on it...

Like...How Come?

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#456498

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 10:40 -0700
Message-ID<6137c203-0229-487b-ae23-7bf20c258bf3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456496
The Starmaker
- show quoted text -
Well, 'these people' in the scientific community view the universe as everything in the big bang. 

I cannot get pass their...groupthink mentality. I have to work with it...it's first grade science. 

I'll lose them if I start teaching second grade science... 


The only thing they understand is...pizza. 



Now class...i got a slice of pizza in my hand, it has a curve on it... 

Spherical Pizza Slice = (Inverse Square Law) of Steradian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_intensity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steradian



Like...How Come? 

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#456499

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 10:43 -0700
Message-ID<ea0c612a-29ab-473f-a9ee-5eb333837be3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456498
The Starmaker wrote 

Well, 'these people' in the scientific community view the universe as everything in the big bang. 

I cannot get pass their...groupthink mentality. I have to work with it...it's first grade science. 

I'll lose them if I start teaching second grade science... 


The only thing they understand is...pizza. 



Now class...i got a slice of pizza in my hand, it has a curve on it... 

Spherical Pizza Slice = (Inverse Square Law) of Steradian 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_intensity 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steradian 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KqiHsHw2kAl45wlk1



Mongo love Pizza 🍕

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#456500

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 10:50 -0700
Message-ID<0be96590-ab2a-402f-bd9a-28fefca9fef8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456499
The Starmaker wrote 


Well, 'these people' in the scientific community view the universe as everything in the big bang. 

I cannot get pass their...groupthink mentality. I have to work with it...it's first grade science. 

I'll lose them if I start teaching second grade science... 


The only thing they understand is...pizza. 



Now class...i got a slice of pizza in my hand, it has a curve on it... 

Spherical Pizza Slice = (Inverse Square Law) of Steradian 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_intensity 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steradian 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KqiHsHw2kAl45wlk1 

Pizza is cut in 20 slices of 18 degrees

Or 20 slices of (0.31415926535 radians)



Mongo love Pizza 🍕

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#456502

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 11:20 -0700
Message-ID<a48e097a-ca9c-4abb-bb82-9e8a0c451ea4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456500
Now class...i got a slice of pizza in my hand, it has a curve on it... 

Spherical Pizza Slice = (Inverse Square Law) of Steradian 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_intensity 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steradian 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KqiHsHw2kAl45wlk1 

Pizza is cut in 20 slices of 18 degrees 

Or 20 slices of (0.31415926535 radians) 

Pizza Sphere = 

(4pi) / (20^2) = 0.03141592653

4pi * (0.05^2) = 0.03141592653

1 * (0.05^2) = 0.0025 = 1/400 slices

8 / (400 * (299792458 * 6.67408e-11)) = 0.99958075179

8/(400*(299792458)) = 6.6712819e-11


Mongo love Pizza 🍕

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#456699

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-22 17:40 -0700
Message-ID<66a478b3-6dbd-40ff-8f58-a7b2bf8f551c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#456502
Now class...i got a slice of pizza in my hand, it has a curve on it... 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Wid0OUuHh8KqXyfT2

“This Pizza”

Spherical Pizza Slice = (Inverse Square Law) of Steradian 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_intensity 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steradian 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KqiHsHw2kAl45wlk1 

Pizza is cut in 20 slices of 18 degrees 

Or 20 slices of (0.31415926535 radians) 

Pizza Sphere = 

(4pi) / (20^2) = 0.03141592653 

4pi * (0.05^2) = 0.03141592653 

1 * (0.05^2) = 0.0025 = 1/400 slices 

8 / (400 * (299792458 * 6.67408e-11)) = 0.99958075179 

8/(400*(299792458)) = 6.6712819e-11 


Mongo love Pizza 🍕

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#456548

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-04-20 23:49 -0700
Message-ID<5ADADEEB.4D45@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#456500
David (Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote
> 
> Well, 'these people' in the scientific community view the universe as everything in the big bang.
> 
> I cannot get pass their...groupthink mentality. I have to work with it...it's first grade science.
> 
> I'll lose them if I start teaching second grade science...
> 
> The only thing they understand is...pizza.
> 
> Now class...i got a slice of pizza in my hand, it has a curve on it...
> 
> Spherical Pizza Slice = (Inverse Square Law) of Steradian
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_intensity
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steradian
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KqiHsHw2kAl45wlk1
> 
> Pizza is cut in 20 slices of 18 degrees
> 
> Or 20 slices of (0.31415926535 radians)
> 
> Mongo love Pizza 🍕


but we're talking about the universe, not Pizza Hut...

the universe only has 4 slices...

south, north, east, west..

1st dimension, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

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#456726

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2018-04-23 10:31 -0500
Message-ID<FrmdnXfc5LiqYUDHnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#456275
[I rarely read your posts or reply to you because it seems that all you do is 
post nonsense. But I happened to see this one, and noticed that your usual 
nonsense 'just happens' to be correct, in a way that is worth responding to as 
it may surprise some readers.]

On 4/18/18 1:36 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> the universe is both flat and curved.

Yes, this is so, in a way you clearly do not realize or understand. This happens 
because you speak so loosely, without specifying what you mean by "the universe" 
-- that ambiguity can sensibly be interpreted two ways, which makes this 
seemingly silly statement actually be correct.

In our current best cosmological models, spaceTIME is curved, but space is flat.

	[I won't bore you with the details, as you clearly don't care,
	 and won't understand anyway.]

Tom Roberts

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#456783

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-04-23 22:50 -0700
Message-ID<5ADEC5A1.3A73@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#456726
Tom Roberts wrote:
> 
> [I rarely read your posts or reply to you because it seems that all you do is
> post nonsense. But I happened to see this one, and noticed that your usual
> nonsense 'just happens' to be correct, in a way that is worth responding to as
> it may surprise some readers.]

That is called...the disclaimer. It always starts with  "I rarely read your posts or reply to you because..."







> 
> On 4/18/18 1:36 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > the universe is both flat and curved.
> 
> Yes, this is so, in a way you clearly do not realize or understand. This happens
> because you speak so loosely, without specifying what you mean by "the universe"
> -- that ambiguity can sensibly be interpreted two ways, which makes this
> seemingly silly statement actually be correct.
> 
> In our current best cosmological models, spaceTIME is curved, but space is flat.

Sorry, I don't suscribe to  "*Our* current"...  "our" translates to...groupthink.

> 
>         [I won't bore you with the details, as you clearly don't care,
>          and won't understand anyway.]
> 
> Tom Roberts

I already put the pizza (spaceTIME is curved) in the box (space is flat)..

There are a million ways to say the same thing and not know you're saying the same thing.

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