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| Started by | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| First post | 2018-02-28 08:32 -0800 |
| Last post | 2018-03-16 10:47 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 542 — 30 participants |
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Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 08:32 -0800
Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 09:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:26 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 09:37 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 10:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 11:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 21:00 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 13:27 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ický Bezdrátovì <ikbe@wmkfre.np> - 2018-03-02 12:34 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-02 05:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-02 00:05 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:26 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 09:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 10:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:00 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:23 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 14:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-02-28 19:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 10:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:13 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 13:58 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 14:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 15:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 07:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-01 10:00 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 13:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-28 12:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-02-28 21:33 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 21:42 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:23 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 14:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 07:40 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-01 11:26 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 13:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 14:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 15:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 17:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-01 14:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 08:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-02 09:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:19 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-02 18:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-03 09:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-03 11:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 18:45 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 06:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 13:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-02-28 18:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 13:40 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-01 17:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 20:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-01 21:44 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 11:44 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-02 13:28 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-01 13:18 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-02 00:08 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:38 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-01 17:42 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-01 09:13 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 09:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 14:24 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 08:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 10:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 13:57 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 14:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-02 15:58 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 08:57 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 09:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-03-03 12:18 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 15:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-03-05 09:15 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 10:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:32 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:47 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 11:15 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 20:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 12:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 22:54 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 10:51 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 19:00 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:41 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:56 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 15:50 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:51 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 23:19 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 13:20 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:23 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:38 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 10:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 13:24 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 21:19 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:27 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:37 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 14:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:46 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:54 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 15:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-05 10:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 23:34 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-02 16:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 16:45 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 08:02 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 14:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 14:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 14:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:03 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-02 23:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 08:27 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 04:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-03 05:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 14:29 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 05:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-04 18:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 05:55 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 15:17 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 18:27 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 08:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-03 08:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 09:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 13:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 14:38 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 14:15 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:46 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 09:40 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:56 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 10:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 01:53 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 13:28 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:18 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-06 09:19 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 20:06 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 11:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 13:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 23:23 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 01:53 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 21:45 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 13:54 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 14:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:01 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 10:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 14:07 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 05:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-04 11:44 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:32 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:55 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 08:52 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 09:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 20:19 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 20:37 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 06:50 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 06:37 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-07 11:08 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 05:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-07 15:13 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 07:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 07:46 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-07 17:31 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:12 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-08 21:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 12:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 04:17 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 04:52 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 11:24 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 11:21 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-09 10:31 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 02:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 14:47 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 15:49 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 18:36 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 09:53 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 02:28 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-08 21:41 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 00:22 +0000
Just more BULL SHIT eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 06:50 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-01 15:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-02 09:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 13:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-03 09:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-03 10:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-04 16:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-04 17:38 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 07:03 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 07:54 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 14:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:47 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 15:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 23:14 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 11:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 20:59 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 14:18 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 20:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 07:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:00 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:58 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:04 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-08 07:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 15:49 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 18:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 07:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 12:05 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-02-28 22:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-01 11:32 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-02 09:04 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 15:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-02 11:43 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 18:45 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-02 22:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 11:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:20 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 20:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 10:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 11:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 16:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 10:40 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 11:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 17:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 22:35 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-04 11:43 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-03-03 21:13 -0500
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 20:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 10:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:13 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:19 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 12:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 20:55 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 14:21 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 14:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:51 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 20:44 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-04 11:40 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 10:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-05 08:28 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 08:54 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 18:05 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-06 11:24 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 13:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:07 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-07 13:11 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 09:10 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 14:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 21:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-08 06:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 23:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-07 17:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-08 11:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 13:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-08 15:38 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-09 10:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 15:07 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-09 11:49 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:01 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 19:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 20:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 20:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 12:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 12:27 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-04 12:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 13:03 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 08:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 08:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 09:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:13 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 07:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 16:46 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 07:58 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:35 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:40 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 15:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 16:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:18 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:26 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 10:15 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 14:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 23:18 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 14:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 08:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-08 17:32 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 18:36 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:01 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-07 19:09 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:42 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 20:49 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:51 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-04 11:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:27 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 08:43 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-11 06:54 -0700
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 07:14 -0700
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-05 17:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 21:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:18 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:23 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:56 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:45 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 11:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-05 21:20 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-05 22:55 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 09:38 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-06 11:06 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:15 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 09:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 12:35 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:17 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:28 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-01 21:28 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-01 09:45 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 18:29 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:58 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 10:23 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:18 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 11:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:04 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:07 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 07:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:58 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-07 13:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:58 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-05 14:00 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 08:40 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 12:30 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 19:06 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 19:10 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 20:43 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:00 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-07 16:55 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 08:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 08:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:24 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-08 23:04 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 21:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 21:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-09 06:33 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 22:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-09 10:41 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 23:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 12:27 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 04:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 15:00 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 08:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 18:35 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 10:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 19:30 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 18:36 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-09 11:17 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 09:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-10 09:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-10 23:44 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:06 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:29 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:09 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:07 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:12 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-05 17:19 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-06 18:47 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:24 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-05 16:28 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:46 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:52 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-06 23:25 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:36 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:46 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:45 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:54 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 19:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:57 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:39 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:24 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:14 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 13:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 12:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 23:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:48 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:58 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 13:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 22:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 22:57 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 00:17 -0800
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Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-08 19:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 15:16 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 20:42 -0800
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-03-08 09:10 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <fgb6a2Ftbn2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451831 |
On 8/03/2018 4:25 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: >> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>> On 7/03/2018 8:08 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>> On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but >>>>>>>>>>> when confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of >>>>>>>>>>> your own statement, you try to flee by claiming that >>>>>>>>>>> you never said what you did. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point >>>>>>>>>> out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said >>>>>>>>>> something I never said? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in >>>>>>>>> this sub-thread: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving >>>>>>>>> faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big >>>>>>>>> Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving >>>>>>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less >>>>>>>>> fast." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your >>>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it >>>>>>>>> follows directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your >>>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS >>>>>>>> out of context. There seems to be some confusion between >>>>>>>> "moving" and "ticking." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving >>>>>>>> clock (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to >>>>>>>> Mars. That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock >>>>>>>> relative to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it >>>>>>>> on a jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of >>>>>>>> the earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than >>>>>>>> my clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative >>>>>>>> to the point of the Big Bang. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where >>>>>>>>> the Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way >>>>>>>>> that could happen is if your clock is not moving relative >>>>>>>>> to where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is certainly a privileged position. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm >>>>>>>> responding to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond >>>>>>>> too fast to do much checking of what I'm writing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point >>>>>>>> in the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the >>>>>>>> earth as it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and >>>>>>>> with the sun as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. >>>>>>>> So, I am far from being "stationary." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by >>>>>>>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and >>>>>>>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or >>>>>>>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than >>>>>>>> the orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the >>>>>>>> earth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some >>>>>>> clocks will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than >>>>>>> I am, and I should find that those clocks tick more quickly >>>>>>> than mine does. That effect is noticeably absent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens >>>>>> to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the >>>>>> rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one >>>>>> speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock >>>>>> traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point >>>>>> of the Big Bang. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd >>>>> think it was true. >>>>> >>>>> It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative >>>>> to the Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a >>>>> particular point on the surface has on that movement. It would be >>>>> affected by the time of the day, and time year. >>>>> >>>>> Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. >>>>> >>>>> Sylvia. >>>> >>>> Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the earth is >>>> moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is I would be RIGHT >>>> under the right conditions. If you can figure out a time when the >>>> earth is spinning in the same direction that it is orbiting the sun >>>> AND the same time when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky >>>> Way, you can determine the time when you are moving at maximum >>>> velocity relative to the point of the Big Bang. >>>> >>>> I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no "privileged >>>> position" in the universe. There IS a "privileged position": it is >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>> >>> So clocks on opposite sides of the world would be seen to gain and lose >>> with respect to each other as the Earth turned. I'm pretty sure that >>> would have been noticed if it were true. It would also totally mess up >>> GPS, which is noticeably not messed up. >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> Good point, Sylvia. It seems the problem would be on how to TEST that >> hypothesis. The time differences are very very very very small. > > How small? Number please. Well, he can't tell you because that would involve a theory of space-time and he doesn't have one; all he has is some notions. Sylvia.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-07 14:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fa0e2291-cfa8-4659-bbf7-e76d91c45cbb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451879 |
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:10:15 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 8/03/2018 4:25 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: > >> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > >>> On 7/03/2018 8:08 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > >>>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > >>>>> On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > >>>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > >>>>>>> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but > >>>>>>>>>>> when confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of > >>>>>>>>>>> your own statement, you try to flee by claiming that > >>>>>>>>>>> you never said what you did. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point > >>>>>>>>>> out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said > >>>>>>>>>> something I never said? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in > >>>>>>>>> this sub-thread: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving > >>>>>>>>> faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big > >>>>>>>>> Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving > >>>>>>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less > >>>>>>>>> fast." > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your > >>>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it > >>>>>>>>> follows directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your > >>>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS > >>>>>>>> out of context. There seems to be some confusion between > >>>>>>>> "moving" and "ticking." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving > >>>>>>>> clock (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to > >>>>>>>> Mars. That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock > >>>>>>>> relative to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it > >>>>>>>> on a jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of > >>>>>>>> the earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than > >>>>>>>> my clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative > >>>>>>>> to the point of the Big Bang. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where > >>>>>>>>> the Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way > >>>>>>>>> that could happen is if your clock is not moving relative > >>>>>>>>> to where the Big Bang occurred. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> That is certainly a privileged position. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sylvia. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm > >>>>>>>> responding to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond > >>>>>>>> too fast to do much checking of what I'm writing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point > >>>>>>>> in the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the > >>>>>>>> earth as it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and > >>>>>>>> with the sun as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. > >>>>>>>> So, I am far from being "stationary." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by > >>>>>>>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and > >>>>>>>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or > >>>>>>>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than > >>>>>>>> the orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the > >>>>>>>> earth. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some > >>>>>>> clocks will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than > >>>>>>> I am, and I should find that those clocks tick more quickly > >>>>>>> than mine does. That effect is noticeably absent. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sylvia. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens > >>>>>> to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the > >>>>>> rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one > >>>>>> speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock > >>>>>> traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point > >>>>>> of the Big Bang. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd > >>>>> think it was true. > >>>>> > >>>>> It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative > >>>>> to the Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a > >>>>> particular point on the surface has on that movement. It would be > >>>>> affected by the time of the day, and time year. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sylvia. > >>>> > >>>> Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the earth is > >>>> moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is I would be RIGHT > >>>> under the right conditions. If you can figure out a time when the > >>>> earth is spinning in the same direction that it is orbiting the sun > >>>> AND the same time when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky > >>>> Way, you can determine the time when you are moving at maximum > >>>> velocity relative to the point of the Big Bang. > >>>> > >>>> I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no "privileged > >>>> position" in the universe. There IS a "privileged position": it is > >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. > >>>> > >>>> Ed > >>>> > >>> > >>> So clocks on opposite sides of the world would be seen to gain and lose > >>> with respect to each other as the Earth turned. I'm pretty sure that > >>> would have been noticed if it were true. It would also totally mess up > >>> GPS, which is noticeably not messed up. > >>> > >>> Sylvia. > >> > >> Good point, Sylvia. It seems the problem would be on how to TEST that > >> hypothesis. The time differences are very very very very small. > > > > How small? Number please. > > Well, he can't tell you because that would involve a theory of > space-time and he doesn't have one; all he has is some notions. > > Sylvia. "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." Source: https://www.uam.es/personal_pdi/ciencias/jcuevas/Teaching/Chou-Hume-Rosenband-Wineland-Science2010.pdf A three second difference in a million years. That is the range of "smallness" we're talking about. It is EXTREMELY difficult to measure such tiny differences when clocks are in the same building. Having one clock in the U.S. and the other in India adds in all kinds of problems. Ed
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7prtt$p36$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #451883 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:10:15 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 8/03/2018 4:25 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>> On 7/03/2018 8:08 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> when confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of >>>>>>>>>>>>> your own statement, you try to flee by claiming that >>>>>>>>>>>>> you never said what you did. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point >>>>>>>>>>>> out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said >>>>>>>>>>>> something I never said? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in >>>>>>>>>>> this sub-thread: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving >>>>>>>>>>> faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big >>>>>>>>>>> Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving >>>>>>>>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less >>>>>>>>>>> fast." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your >>>>>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it >>>>>>>>>>> follows directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your >>>>>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS >>>>>>>>>> out of context. There seems to be some confusion between >>>>>>>>>> "moving" and "ticking." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving >>>>>>>>>> clock (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to >>>>>>>>>> Mars. That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock >>>>>>>>>> relative to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it >>>>>>>>>> on a jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of >>>>>>>>>> the earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than >>>>>>>>>> my clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative >>>>>>>>>> to the point of the Big Bang. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where >>>>>>>>>>> the Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way >>>>>>>>>>> that could happen is if your clock is not moving relative >>>>>>>>>>> to where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That is certainly a privileged position. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm >>>>>>>>>> responding to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond >>>>>>>>>> too fast to do much checking of what I'm writing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point >>>>>>>>>> in the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the >>>>>>>>>> earth as it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and >>>>>>>>>> with the sun as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. >>>>>>>>>> So, I am far from being "stationary." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by >>>>>>>>>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and >>>>>>>>>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or >>>>>>>>>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than >>>>>>>>>> the orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the >>>>>>>>>> earth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some >>>>>>>>> clocks will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than >>>>>>>>> I am, and I should find that those clocks tick more quickly >>>>>>>>> than mine does. That effect is noticeably absent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens >>>>>>>> to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the >>>>>>>> rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one >>>>>>>> speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock >>>>>>>> traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point >>>>>>>> of the Big Bang. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd >>>>>>> think it was true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative >>>>>>> to the Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a >>>>>>> particular point on the surface has on that movement. It would be >>>>>>> affected by the time of the day, and time year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the earth is >>>>>> moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is I would be RIGHT >>>>>> under the right conditions. If you can figure out a time when the >>>>>> earth is spinning in the same direction that it is orbiting the sun >>>>>> AND the same time when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky >>>>>> Way, you can determine the time when you are moving at maximum >>>>>> velocity relative to the point of the Big Bang. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no "privileged >>>>>> position" in the universe. There IS a "privileged position": it is >>>>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ed >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So clocks on opposite sides of the world would be seen to gain and lose >>>>> with respect to each other as the Earth turned. I'm pretty sure that >>>>> would have been noticed if it were true. It would also totally mess up >>>>> GPS, which is noticeably not messed up. >>>>> >>>>> Sylvia. >>>> >>>> Good point, Sylvia. It seems the problem would be on how to TEST that >>>> hypothesis. The time differences are very very very very small. >>> >>> How small? Number please. >> >> Well, he can't tell you because that would involve a theory of >> space-time and he doesn't have one; all he has is some notions. >> >> Sylvia. > > "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the > surface of Earth, the higher clock emits about three more second-ticks > than the lower one in a million years." Source: > https://www.uam.es/personal_pdi/ciencias/jcuevas/Teaching/Chou-Hume-Rosenband-Wineland-Science2010.pdf > > A three second difference in a million years. That is the range of > "smallness" we're talking about. Interestingly, you may find it fascinating that the time difference has been measured for clocks separated by about 1 meter vertically. So while this SOUNDS daunting to you, you have vastly underestimated the sensitivity of modern experiments. Just to give you a feel, a year is about 30 million seconds, so a million years is 30 trillion seconds. So 3 seconds over 30 trillion seconds is 1 part in ten trillion. That is actually not that hard a sensitivity to reach. > > It is EXTREMELY difficult to measure such tiny differences when clocks > are in the same building. Having one clock in the U.S. and the other in > India adds in all kinds of problems. > > Ed > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2018-03-07 21:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <062b70ed-9c5a-4fd2-b2fe-d812851174cd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451895 |
On Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:17:22 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin wrote: > Interestingly, you may find it fascinating that the time difference has > been measured for clocks separated by about 1 meter vertically. Odd, poor idiot, when clocks desynchronize and require a correction there is no time difference. Just a clock error. and that's what your bunch of idiots has really measured. Nothing you could comprehend with your tiny fanatic brain, of course.
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| From | Python <python@python.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 06:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5aa0c972$0$9289$426a34cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #451940 |
mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: > On Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:17:22 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> Interestingly, you may find it fascinating that the time difference has >> been measured for clocks separated by about 1 meter vertically. > > Odd, poor idiot, when clocks desynchronize and require a > correction there is no time difference. Just a clock error. > and that's what your bunch of idiots has really measured. > Nothing you could comprehend with your tiny fanatic brain, > of course. Sure Mr Wozniak. Big coincidence that what was measured is pretty well predicted by GR. But GR is wrong whatsoever. Your mental illness is quite fascinating anyway.
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2018-03-07 23:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e7e553e5-4802-4b8c-bdf5-6103d94c1c53@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451941 |
On Thursday, 8 March 2018 06:26:12 UTC+1, Python wrote: > mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: > > On Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:17:22 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > >> Interestingly, you may find it fascinating that the time difference has > >> been measured for clocks separated by about 1 meter vertically. > > > > Odd, poor idiot, when clocks desynchronize and require a > > correction there is no time difference. Just a clock error. > > and that's what your bunch of idiots has really measured. > > Nothing you could comprehend with your tiny fanatic brain, > > of course. > > Sure Mr Wozniak. Big coincidence that what was measured is > pretty well predicted by GR. A lie, as expected from fanatic trash. What is measured is what clocks indicate and this is t'=t. Anyone can check at GPS and your mental illness can do nothing about it.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-07 17:17 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5AA08F15.3CFA@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #451883 |
Ed Lake wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:10:15 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > > On 8/03/2018 4:25 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: > > >> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > > >>> On 7/03/2018 8:08 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > > >>>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > > >>>>> On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > > >>>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > > >>>>>>> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but > > >>>>>>>>>>> when confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of > > >>>>>>>>>>> your own statement, you try to flee by claiming that > > >>>>>>>>>>> you never said what you did. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point > > >>>>>>>>>> out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said > > >>>>>>>>>> something I never said? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in > > >>>>>>>>> this sub-thread: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving > > >>>>>>>>> faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big > > >>>>>>>>> Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving > > >>>>>>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less > > >>>>>>>>> fast." > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your > > >>>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it > > >>>>>>>>> follows directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your > > >>>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS > > >>>>>>>> out of context. There seems to be some confusion between > > >>>>>>>> "moving" and "ticking." > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving > > >>>>>>>> clock (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to > > >>>>>>>> Mars. That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock > > >>>>>>>> relative to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it > > >>>>>>>> on a jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of > > >>>>>>>> the earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than > > >>>>>>>> my clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative > > >>>>>>>> to the point of the Big Bang. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where > > >>>>>>>>> the Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way > > >>>>>>>>> that could happen is if your clock is not moving relative > > >>>>>>>>> to where the Big Bang occurred. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> That is certainly a privileged position. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Sylvia. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm > > >>>>>>>> responding to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond > > >>>>>>>> too fast to do much checking of what I'm writing. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point > > >>>>>>>> in the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the > > >>>>>>>> earth as it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and > > >>>>>>>> with the sun as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. > > >>>>>>>> So, I am far from being "stationary." > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by > > >>>>>>>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and > > >>>>>>>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or > > >>>>>>>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than > > >>>>>>>> the orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the > > >>>>>>>> earth. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some > > >>>>>>> clocks will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than > > >>>>>>> I am, and I should find that those clocks tick more quickly > > >>>>>>> than mine does. That effect is noticeably absent. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Sylvia. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens > > >>>>>> to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the > > >>>>>> rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one > > >>>>>> speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock > > >>>>>> traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point > > >>>>>> of the Big Bang. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd > > >>>>> think it was true. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative > > >>>>> to the Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a > > >>>>> particular point on the surface has on that movement. It would be > > >>>>> affected by the time of the day, and time year. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sylvia. > > >>>> > > >>>> Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the earth is > > >>>> moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is I would be RIGHT > > >>>> under the right conditions. If you can figure out a time when the > > >>>> earth is spinning in the same direction that it is orbiting the sun > > >>>> AND the same time when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky > > >>>> Way, you can determine the time when you are moving at maximum > > >>>> velocity relative to the point of the Big Bang. > > >>>> > > >>>> I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no "privileged > > >>>> position" in the universe. There IS a "privileged position": it is > > >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. > > >>>> > > >>>> Ed > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> So clocks on opposite sides of the world would be seen to gain and lose > > >>> with respect to each other as the Earth turned. I'm pretty sure that > > >>> would have been noticed if it were true. It would also totally mess up > > >>> GPS, which is noticeably not messed up. > > >>> > > >>> Sylvia. > > >> > > >> Good point, Sylvia. It seems the problem would be on how to TEST that > > >> hypothesis. The time differences are very very very very small. > > > > > > How small? Number please. > > > > Well, he can't tell you because that would involve a theory of > > space-time and he doesn't have one; all he has is some notions. > > > > Sylvia. > > "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the > higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." But the question is... "WHEN" in a million years, at what time? Three more seconds on the first day, or the last day of ..a million years?
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 09:06 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ee67d731-8beb-4dfa-8fe8-68406f148002@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451919 |
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 7:16:37 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > Ed Lake wrote: <snip> > > > > "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the > > higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." > > But the question is... "WHEN" in a million years, at what time? Three more seconds on the first day, or the last day of ..a million years? Your question makes no sense. Time ALWAYS ticked at different rates. It takes a million years to accumulate 3 more seconds. Ed
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 11:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5AA18D3E.27A4@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #451973 |
Ed Lake wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 7:16:37 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > Ed Lake wrote: > <snip> > > > > > > "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the > > > higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." > > > > But the question is... "WHEN" in a million years, at what time? Three more seconds on the first day, or the last day of ..a million years? > > Your question makes no sense. Time ALWAYS ticked at different rates. It takes a million years to accumulate 3 more seconds. > > Ed But....WHEN does it accumulate three more seconds? It has to be within the time frame of...a million years. Or how long did it take to reach the third second?? Was it a second later or a half a million years later??? I mean, I don't get it, am I asking tough questions???? I just want to know....when.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 13:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7c4e8d23-bcb1-47c7-bce9-186302276251@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451995 |
On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > Ed Lake wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 7:16:37 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Ed Lake wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > > > > "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the > > > > higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." > > > > > > But the question is... "WHEN" in a million years, at what time? Three more seconds on the first day, or the last day of ..a million years? > > > > Your question makes no sense. Time ALWAYS ticked at different rates. It takes a million years to accumulate 3 more seconds. > > > > Ed > > > > But....WHEN does it accumulate three more seconds? Over a period of a million years. > > It has to be within the time frame of...a million years. It is EXACTLY within the time frame of a million years. > > Or how long did it take to reach the third second?? Was it a second later or a half a million years later??? It took 333,333 years to accumulate the first second, 666,666 years to accumulate the second second, and 1,000,000 years to accumulate the third second. > > I mean, I don't get it, am I asking tough questions???? It's not a tough question, the problem is why you do not understand the answer. > > I just want to know....when. Here is the answer again: If 3 seconds are accumulated in million years, that means it takes 333,333 years to accumulate 1 second of difference, and 666,666 years to accumulate 2 seconds of difference. And of course, it takes a million years to accumulate 3 seconds of difference. How can that not be perfectly clear to you? Ed
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 15:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5AA1C95A.104B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #452008 |
Ed Lake wrote: > > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > Ed Lake wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 7:16:37 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Ed Lake wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the > > > > > higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." > > > > > > > > But the question is... "WHEN" in a million years, at what time? Three more seconds on the first day, or the last day of ..a million years? > > > > > > Your question makes no sense. Time ALWAYS ticked at different rates. It takes a million years to accumulate 3 more seconds. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > But....WHEN does it accumulate three more seconds? > > Over a period of a million years. > > > > > It has to be within the time frame of...a million years. > > It is EXACTLY within the time frame of a million years. > > > > > Or how long did it take to reach the third second?? Was it a second later or a half a million years later??? > > It took 333,333 years to accumulate the first second, 666,666 years to accumulate the second second, and 1,000,000 years to accumulate the third second. > > > > > I mean, I don't get it, am I asking tough questions???? > > It's not a tough question, the problem is why you do not understand the answer. > > > > > I just want to know....when. > > Here is the answer again: > > If 3 seconds are accumulated in million years, that means it takes 333,333 years to accumulate 1 second of difference, and 666,666 years to accumulate 2 seconds of difference. And of course, it takes a million years to accumulate 3 seconds of difference. > > How can that not be perfectly clear to you? > > Ed but there are 12 million seconds in a million years? ain't you missing something????
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-09 10:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5AA2D8E3.1689@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #452018 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Ed Lake wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Ed Lake wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 7:16:37 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > Ed Lake wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the > > > > > > higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." > > > > > > > > > > But the question is... "WHEN" in a million years, at what time? Three more seconds on the first day, or the last day of ..a million years? > > > > > > > > Your question makes no sense. Time ALWAYS ticked at different rates. It takes a million years to accumulate 3 more seconds. > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > But....WHEN does it accumulate three more seconds? > > > > Over a period of a million years. > > > > > > > > It has to be within the time frame of...a million years. > > > > It is EXACTLY within the time frame of a million years. > > > > > > > > Or how long did it take to reach the third second?? Was it a second later or a half a million years later??? > > > > It took 333,333 years to accumulate the first second, 666,666 years to accumulate the second second, and 1,000,000 years to accumulate the third second. > > > > > > > > I mean, I don't get it, am I asking tough questions???? > > > > It's not a tough question, the problem is why you do not understand the answer. > > > > > > > > I just want to know....when. > > > > Here is the answer again: > > > > If 3 seconds are accumulated in million years, that means it takes 333,333 years to accumulate 1 second of difference, and 666,666 years to accumulate 2 seconds of difference. And of course, it takes a million years to accumulate 3 seconds of difference. > > > > How can that not be perfectly clear to you? > > > > Ed > > but there are 12 million seconds in a million years? ain't you missing > something???? or maybe 12 billion seconds... Does that mean light doesn't travel very far in a million years? since there are only 3 seconds of travel time..
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 15:07 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <fgbr82F326oU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451883 |
On 8/03/2018 9:25 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:10:15 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 8/03/2018 4:25 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else >>>> wrote: >>>>> On 7/03/2018 8:08 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia >>>>>>>> Else wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, >>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason, but when confronted with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> inevitable logic conclusion of your own >>>>>>>>>>>>> statement, you try to flee by claiming that >>>>>>>>>>>>> you never said what you did. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say >>>>>>>>>>>> and point out where it is wrong, instead of >>>>>>>>>>>> just CLAIMING I said something I never said? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit >>>>>>>>>>> earlier in this sub-thread: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always >>>>>>>>>>> moving faster than your clock relative to the >>>>>>>>>>> point where the Big Bang occurred, and, of >>>>>>>>>>> course, your clock is also moving relative to the >>>>>>>>>>> point where the Big Bang occurred, but less >>>>>>>>>>> fast." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than >>>>>>>>>>> your clock relative to the point where the Big >>>>>>>>>>> Bang occurred, it follows directly that no clock >>>>>>>>>>> is moving SLOWER than your clock relative to the >>>>>>>>>>> point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. >>>>>>>>>> It SEEMS out of context. There seems to be some >>>>>>>>>> confusion between "moving" and "ticking." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The >>>>>>>>>> moving clock (moving relative to me) is on a rocket >>>>>>>>>> ship en route to Mars. That "moving clock" TICKS >>>>>>>>>> SLOWER than my clock. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my >>>>>>>>>> clock relative to the Big Bang, which is a >>>>>>>>>> stationary point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock >>>>>>>>>> and put it on a jet and travel WESTWARD with it >>>>>>>>>> (against the rotation of the earth), that "moving >>>>>>>>>> clock" would would TICK FASTER than my clock. And >>>>>>>>>> it would probably move slower than me relative to >>>>>>>>>> the point of the Big Bang. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving >>>>>>>>>>> relative to where the Big Bang occurred in the >>>>>>>>>>> entire universe. The only way that could happen >>>>>>>>>>> is if your clock is not moving relative to where >>>>>>>>>>> the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That is certainly a privileged position. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But >>>>>>>>>> I'm responding to a half dozen people, and >>>>>>>>>> sometimes I respond too fast to do much checking of >>>>>>>>>> what I'm writing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to >>>>>>>>> interpretation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known >>>>>>>>>> STATIONARY point in the Big Bang universe. I am >>>>>>>>>> currently moving with the earth as it spins, with >>>>>>>>>> the earth as it orbits the sun, and with the sun as >>>>>>>>>> it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So, I >>>>>>>>>> am far from being "stationary." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower >>>>>>>>>> than me by going in the opposite direction to the >>>>>>>>>> various orbits and rotations. Others can go faster >>>>>>>>>> than me by using rockets or other forms of energy >>>>>>>>>> driven vehicles to travel faster than the orbits >>>>>>>>>> and rotations, or to simply move away from the >>>>>>>>>> earth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then >>>>>>>>> some clocks will be moving more slowly relative to >>>>>>>>> the Big Bang than I am, and I should find that those >>>>>>>>> clocks tick more quickly than mine does. That effect >>>>>>>>> is noticeably absent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? >>>>>>>> It happens to clocks that are moving in the opposite >>>>>>>> direction to the rotation of the earth. Sitting still, >>>>>>>> you are moving at one speed relative to the point of >>>>>>>> the Big Bang, and the clock traveling West is moving at >>>>>>>> a slower speed relative to the point of the Big Bang. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine >>>>>>> why you'd think it was true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving >>>>>>> relative to the Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation >>>>>>> of the Earth on a particular point on the surface has on >>>>>>> that movement. It would be affected by the time of the >>>>>>> day, and time year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the >>>>>> earth is moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is >>>>>> I would be RIGHT under the right conditions. If you can >>>>>> figure out a time when the earth is spinning in the same >>>>>> direction that it is orbiting the sun AND the same time >>>>>> when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky Way, you >>>>>> can determine the time when you are moving at maximum >>>>>> velocity relative to the point of the Big Bang. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no >>>>>> "privileged position" in the universe. There IS a >>>>>> "privileged position": it is the point where the Big Bang >>>>>> occurred. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ed >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So clocks on opposite sides of the world would be seen to >>>>> gain and lose with respect to each other as the Earth turned. >>>>> I'm pretty sure that would have been noticed if it were true. >>>>> It would also totally mess up GPS, which is noticeably not >>>>> messed up. >>>>> >>>>> Sylvia. >>>> >>>> Good point, Sylvia. It seems the problem would be on how to >>>> TEST that hypothesis. The time differences are very very very >>>> very small. >>> >>> How small? Number please. >> >> Well, he can't tell you because that would involve a theory of >> space-time and he doesn't have one; all he has is some notions. >> >> Sylvia. > > "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the > surface of Earth, the higher clock emits about three more > second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." Source: > https://www.uam.es/personal_pdi/ciencias/jcuevas/Teaching/Chou-Hume-Rosenband-Wineland-Science2010.pdf > > A three second difference in a million years. That is the range of > "smallness" we're talking about. How do you know that? You don't have a theory that gives you numbers. Sylvia.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-08 09:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <855a5379-948b-40fc-861b-ef1bac4a101e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451936 |
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:07:34 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 8/03/2018 9:25 AM, Ed Lake wrote: <snip> > > > > "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the > > surface of Earth, the higher clock emits about three more > > second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." Source: > > https://www.uam.es/personal_pdi/ciencias/jcuevas/Teaching/Chou-Hume-Rosenband-Wineland-Science2010.pdf > > > > A three second difference in a million years. That is the range of > > "smallness" we're talking about. > > How do you know that? You don't have a theory that gives you numbers. > > Sylvia. The theory is called "The General Theory of Relativity." Look it up. I merely quoted what the SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE said. If you have a disagreement with the article, there might be some place at the link for you to voice your disagreement. Ed
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2018-03-09 11:49 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <fge40cFiv0lU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451976 |
On 9/03/2018 4:10 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:07:34 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 8/03/2018 9:25 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > > <snip> > >>> >>> "if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the >>> surface of Earth, the higher clock emits about three more >>> second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." Source: >>> https://www.uam.es/personal_pdi/ciencias/jcuevas/Teaching/Chou-Hume-Rosenband-Wineland-Science2010.pdf >>> >>> A three second difference in a million years. That is the range of >>> "smallness" we're talking about. >> >> How do you know that? You don't have a theory that gives you numbers. >> >> Sylvia. > > The theory is called "The General Theory of Relativity." Look it up. > > I merely quoted what the SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE said. If you have a disagreement with the article, there might be some place at the link for you to voice your disagreement. > > Ed > The General Theory of relativity has as its basis the assumption that velocities are only relative. Your theory violates that assumption, so you cannot base your predictions on General Relativity. As things stand, you have no way of predicting the different rates on clocks on opposite sides of the Earth, so you have no basis for the prediction that the difference is too small to be readily detected. Sylvia.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-07 23:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7pr00$nb3$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #451879 |
Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote: > On 8/03/2018 4:25 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: >>> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 7/03/2018 8:08 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>> On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but >>>>>>>>>>>> when confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of >>>>>>>>>>>> your own statement, you try to flee by claiming that >>>>>>>>>>>> you never said what you did. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point >>>>>>>>>>> out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said >>>>>>>>>>> something I never said? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in >>>>>>>>>> this sub-thread: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving >>>>>>>>>> faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big >>>>>>>>>> Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving >>>>>>>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less >>>>>>>>>> fast." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your >>>>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it >>>>>>>>>> follows directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your >>>>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS >>>>>>>>> out of context. There seems to be some confusion between >>>>>>>>> "moving" and "ticking." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving >>>>>>>>> clock (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to >>>>>>>>> Mars. That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock >>>>>>>>> relative to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it >>>>>>>>> on a jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of >>>>>>>>> the earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than >>>>>>>>> my clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative >>>>>>>>> to the point of the Big Bang. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where >>>>>>>>>> the Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way >>>>>>>>>> that could happen is if your clock is not moving relative >>>>>>>>>> to where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That is certainly a privileged position. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm >>>>>>>>> responding to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond >>>>>>>>> too fast to do much checking of what I'm writing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point >>>>>>>>> in the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the >>>>>>>>> earth as it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and >>>>>>>>> with the sun as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. >>>>>>>>> So, I am far from being "stationary." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by >>>>>>>>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and >>>>>>>>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or >>>>>>>>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than >>>>>>>>> the orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the >>>>>>>>> earth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some >>>>>>>> clocks will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than >>>>>>>> I am, and I should find that those clocks tick more quickly >>>>>>>> than mine does. That effect is noticeably absent. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens >>>>>>> to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the >>>>>>> rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one >>>>>>> speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock >>>>>>> traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point >>>>>>> of the Big Bang. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd >>>>>> think it was true. >>>>>> >>>>>> It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative >>>>>> to the Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a >>>>>> particular point on the surface has on that movement. It would be >>>>>> affected by the time of the day, and time year. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>> >>>>> Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the earth is >>>>> moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is I would be RIGHT >>>>> under the right conditions. If you can figure out a time when the >>>>> earth is spinning in the same direction that it is orbiting the sun >>>>> AND the same time when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky >>>>> Way, you can determine the time when you are moving at maximum >>>>> velocity relative to the point of the Big Bang. >>>>> >>>>> I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no "privileged >>>>> position" in the universe. There IS a "privileged position": it is >>>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>> >>>>> Ed >>>>> >>>> >>>> So clocks on opposite sides of the world would be seen to gain and lose >>>> with respect to each other as the Earth turned. I'm pretty sure that >>>> would have been noticed if it were true. It would also totally mess up >>>> GPS, which is noticeably not messed up. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> Good point, Sylvia. It seems the problem would be on how to TEST that >>> hypothesis. The time differences are very very very very small. >> >> How small? Number please. > > Well, he can't tell you because that would involve a theory of > space-time and he doesn't have one; all he has is some notions. > > Sylvia. > Well, here we get into the nut of the problem. He actually approached real science by noting that his idea might have an observable consequence that could actually be tested. And he immediately had to confront the problem of figuring out how hard that measurement would be — which is PRECISELY the art of doing experimental physics. And so he responded to that call but could only do it at the level of “very very very small” and “opposite sides of the earth would be very very hard”. “Very very” is meaningless in science and he knows it. The only thing that would matter here, to actually do the experimental test that is ESSENTIAL to the scientific method, would be numbers. And then vapor lock sets in, because he has zero aptitude here. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-03 19:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bf59639c-9a69-4ce2-9db4-978b08cff66b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451375 |
On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote: > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 1:44:12 PM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > But I would say a clock TICKS or RUNS slower. "A clock is slower" is > bad English and has no real meaning. And on a similar note, "a clock TICKS or RUNS slower" is bad *physics* and has no real meaning. Again, if you are discussing physics, you must know the meaning of the words as used in physics. Dont mix up the meanings with the common english meanings. > A clock aboard a slower rocket ship will tick faster than your > clock if you are on the faster rocket ship. That claim/sentence is just wrong on so many counts! > So, we see your problem. You cannot read nor write correct English. Actually, as stated by nearly everyone here, it is you that cannot read nor write correct physics. This is a physics NG, not an english NG. > If a clock is moving slower relative to you, See? Even that sentence of yours makes no sense, be in as english or physics.
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-03 20:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bdb06ed6-057d-4819-abcf-44d03a93773a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451396 |
rotchm On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote: > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 1:44:12 PM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > But I would say a clock TICKS or RUNS slower. "A clock is slower" is > bad English and has no real meaning. And on a similar note, "a clock TICKS or RUNS slower" is bad *physics* and has no real meaning. Again, if you are discussing physics, you must know the meaning of the words as used in physics. Dont mix up the meanings with the common english meanings. > A clock aboard a slower rocket ship will tick faster than your > clock if you are on the faster rocket ship. That claim/sentence is just wrong on so many counts! > So, we see your problem. You cannot read nor write correct English. Actually, as stated by nearly everyone here, it is you that cannot read nor write correct physics. This is a physics NG, not an english NG. > If a clock is moving slower relative to you, See? Even that sentence of yours makes no sense, be in as english or physics. A clock ticks relative to the slew of its local Vacuum impedance https://photos.app.goo.gl/J6P20ws943Y1TmCE2
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-03 20:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <857efa29-5c9c-4e3c-a042-3a6b7e42f841@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451396 |
A clock ticks relative to the skew of its local Vacuum impedance https://photos.app.goo.gl/J6P20ws943Y1TmCE2
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-04 12:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <64d0a475-e817-4574-a0db-3adf14f14dfc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451396 |
On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 9:48:45 PM UTC-6, rotchm wrote: > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote: > > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 1:44:12 PM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > > But I would say a clock TICKS or RUNS slower. "A clock is slower" is > > bad English and has no real meaning. > > And on a similar note, "a clock TICKS or RUNS slower" is bad *physics* > and has no real meaning. Again, if you are discussing physics, you must know the meaning of the words as used in physics. Dont mix up the meanings with the common english meanings. > > > > A clock aboard a slower rocket ship will tick faster than your > > clock if you are on the faster rocket ship. > > That claim/sentence is just wrong on so many counts! It is correct if you understand Relativity, and if you understand English. > > > > > So, we see your problem. You cannot read nor write correct English. > > Actually, as stated by nearly everyone here, it is you that cannot read nor write correct physics. This is a physics NG, not an english NG. So, there is no need for you to reply to my posts. I'm here to discuss PHYSICS because I'm thinking of writing a book (and probably some articles) about the PROBLEMS in physics between mathematician Quantum Theorists and scientists who understand Relativity. Those papers and the book won't be written for physicists. They'll be written for ordinary people who are interested in science and physics. If mathematician Quantum Theorists cannot understand them, that's not a concern of mine. It is what I expect. They're the problem. By discussing physics here, I am explaining things in dozens of different ways. That helps me find the way that is simplest and easiest for others to understand. > > > > If a clock is moving slower relative to you, > > See? Even that sentence of yours makes no sense, be in as english or physics. What is your problem with it? Or are you truly incapable of explaining anything? Or is that that you believe in the #1 DUMBEST idea in physics, that all movement is reciprocal? If you are on the express train traveling from New York to Washington and you pass the local train that is traveling slower and making many stops, a clock on the local train would be moving slower relative to you. And because the CLOCK is physically MOVING slower, it is TICKING FASTER. It is called "relativity." Ed
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