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  Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-09 04:53 -0700
    Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. Ursler Zilberschlag <ursler@zilbersch.org> - 2017-07-09 12:15 +0000
      Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-09 05:24 -0700
        Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-09 07:51 -0700
          Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-09 09:19 -0700
            Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-10 04:05 -0700
    Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-07-09 12:19 -0500
    Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-09 10:35 -0700
    Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-09 10:44 -0700
      Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-10 04:07 -0700
        Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-10 04:14 -0700
          Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-10 04:34 -0700
      Re: Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution. Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-10 19:06 +0000

#424356 — Is math invented or discovered? - New book solution.

The solution to this perennial problem in a computational universe like ours is straightforward. The logic and math necessary to compute the universe is Reality Math subject to discovery, and all the rest is invented Human Math.

Turns out Reality Math is relatively simple. It's just what's necessary to compute particle interactions. Everything else in the universe is Emergent manifestations of aggregates of particle interactions. Emergent processes aren't directly computed but are only aggregate phenomena.

So Human math is first of all the approximate discovery of the basic principles of Reality Math. But the vast majority of Human Math is invented. It's just figuring out how Reality Math can be consistently expanded.

Thus Human math emerges from the basic principles of Reality math just as the entire universe of science emerges from individual particle interactions in aggregate.

Both emerge consistently from their fundamentals. That's why Human math is so good at describing Emergent phenomena, because both emerge in the same manner from their fundamentals, and the fundamentals of Reality Math compute the fundamental particle interactions so they are consistent.

Thus Reality Math is the basic 'machine language' of our computational universe. It includes the fundamental logico-mathematical and data manipulation operators necessary to compute all particle interactions and that's it. From these relatively simple computations the entire observable universe emerges and Human math as well.

Thus the vast majority of Human Math DESCRIBES but doesn't COMPUTE the universe. Only Reality Math actually computes the universe.

This is all explained in detail in my new book Universal Reality 2.0 available under my name on Amazon.

Edgar L. Owen

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#424357

Edgar L. Owen wrote:

> The solution to this perennial problem in a computational universe like
> ours is straightforward. The logic and math necessary to compute the
> universe is Reality Math subject to discovery, and all the rest is
> invented Human Math.

Imbecile.

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#424358

Ursler Zilberschlag wrote
Edgar L. Owen wrote: 

> The solution to this perennial problem in a computational universe like 
> ours is straightforward. The logic and math necessary to compute the 
> universe is Reality Math subject to discovery, and all the rest is 
> invented Human Math. 

Imbecile. 

He is starting to remind me of KenSeto promoting his book

I tried the Amazon link Edgar L. Owen provided but it said 404 file not found ....??

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#424379

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 8:24:29 AM UTC-4, David (Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> Ursler Zilberschlag wrote
> Edgar L. Owen wrote: 
> 
> > The solution to this perennial problem in a computational universe like 
> > ours is straightforward. The logic and math necessary to compute the 
> > universe is Reality Math subject to discovery, and all the rest is 
> > invented Human Math. 
> 
> Imbecile. 
> 
> He is starting to remind me of KenSeto promoting his book
> 
> I tried the Amazon link Edgar L. Owen provided but it said 404 file not found ....??

The link https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=edgar+l.+owen works for me but in any case my books are very easy to find. Just go to Amazon.com and search on Edgar L. Owen.

Best,
Edgar

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#424385

Edgar L. Owen wrote 

The link https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=edgar+l.+owen works for me but in any case my books are very easy to find. Just go to Amazon.com and search on Edgar L. Owen. 

Best, 
Edgar 

Says Link still broken?????

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#424419

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 12:19:06 PM UTC-4, David (Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> Edgar L. Owen wrote 
> 
> The link https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=edgar+l.+owen works for me but in any case my books are very easy to find. Just go to Amazon.com and search on Edgar L. Owen. 
> 
> Best, 
> Edgar 
> 
> Says Link still broken?????

David,

Still works for me. Anyway just search Amazon on my name to find them.

Edgar L. Owen

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#424389

Edgar L. Owen wrote:

Why is that even a question? Number is a noumenon, a thing of no
substance and with no existence outside the mind. It is entirely
an invention of mind, and so too are the rules that go with it,
and so to is everything that follows from them.

----fatuouis blather snipped----

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#424394

Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> 
> The solution to this perennial problem in a computational universe like ours is straightforward. The logic and math necessary to compute the universe is Reality Math subject to discovery, and all the rest is invented Human Math.
> 
> Turns out Reality Math is relatively simple. It's just what's necessary to compute particle interactions. Everything else in the universe is Emergent manifestations of aggregates of particle interactions. Emergent processes aren't directly computed but are only aggregate phenomena.
> 
> So Human math is first of all the approximate discovery of the basic principles of Reality Math. But the vast majority of Human Math is invented. It's just figuring out how Reality Math can be consistently expanded.
> 
> Thus Human math emerges from the basic principles of Reality math just as the entire universe of science emerges from individual particle interactions in aggregate.
> 
> Both emerge consistently from their fundamentals. That's why Human math is so good at describing Emergent phenomena, because both emerge in the same manner from their fundamentals, and the fundamentals of Reality Math compute the fundamental particle interactions so they are consistent.
> 
> Thus Reality Math is the basic 'machine language' of our computational universe. It includes the fundamental logico-mathematical and data manipulation operators necessary to compute all particle interactions and that's it. From these relatively simple computations the entire observable universe emerges and Human math as well.
> 
> Thus the vast majority of Human Math DESCRIBES but doesn't COMPUTE the universe. Only Reality Math actually computes the universe.
> 
> This is all explained in detail in my new book Universal Reality 2.0 available under my name on Amazon.
> 
> Edgar L. Owen




I like the last sentence "This is all explained in detail in my new book Universal Reality 2.0"



It appears the *everything* is explained in your new book including how to use a can oppener.


when is the 2.9 verion coming out???? do i get a free update if i buy your book?

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#424396

Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> 
> The solution to this perennial problem in a computational universe like ours is straightforward. The logic and math necessary to compute the universe is Reality Math subject to discovery, and all the rest is invented Human Math.
> 
> Turns out Reality Math is relatively simple. It's just what's necessary to compute particle interactions. Everything else in the universe is Emergent manifestations of aggregates of particle interactions. Emergent processes aren't directly computed but are only aggregate phenomena.
> 
> So Human math is first of all the approximate discovery of the basic principles of Reality Math. But the vast majority of Human Math is invented. It's just figuring out how Reality Math can be consistently expanded.
> 
> Thus Human math emerges from the basic principles of Reality math just as the entire universe of science emerges from individual particle interactions in aggregate.
> 
> Both emerge consistently from their fundamentals. That's why Human math is so good at describing Emergent phenomena, because both emerge in the same manner from their fundamentals, and the fundamentals of Reality Math compute the fundamental particle interactions so they are consistent.
> 
> Thus Reality Math is the basic 'machine language' of our computational universe. It includes the fundamental logico-mathematical and data manipulation operators necessary to compute all particle interactions and that's it. From these relatively simple computations the entire observable universe emerges and Human math as well.
> 
> Thus the vast majority of Human Math DESCRIBES but doesn't COMPUTE the universe. Only Reality Math actually computes the universe.
> 
> This is all explained in detail in my new book Universal Reality 2.0 available under my name on Amazon.
> 
> Edgar L. Owen



Can you explain to me what "the present moment" is?

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#424420

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:44:27 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> > 
> > The solution to this perennial problem in a computational universe like ours is straightforward. The logic and math necessary to compute the universe is Reality Math subject to discovery, and all the rest is invented Human Math.
> > 
> > Turns out Reality Math is relatively simple. It's just what's necessary to compute particle interactions. Everything else in the universe is Emergent manifestations of aggregates of particle interactions. Emergent processes aren't directly computed but are only aggregate phenomena.
> > 
> > So Human math is first of all the approximate discovery of the basic principles of Reality Math. But the vast majority of Human Math is invented. It's just figuring out how Reality Math can be consistently expanded.
> > 
> > Thus Human math emerges from the basic principles of Reality math just as the entire universe of science emerges from individual particle interactions in aggregate.
> > 
> > Both emerge consistently from their fundamentals. That's why Human math is so good at describing Emergent phenomena, because both emerge in the same manner from their fundamentals, and the fundamentals of Reality Math compute the fundamental particle interactions so they are consistent.
> > 
> > Thus Reality Math is the basic 'machine language' of our computational universe. It includes the fundamental logico-mathematical and data manipulation operators necessary to compute all particle interactions and that's it. From these relatively simple computations the entire observable universe emerges and Human math as well.
> > 
> > Thus the vast majority of Human Math DESCRIBES but doesn't COMPUTE the universe. Only Reality Math actually computes the universe.
> > 
> > This is all explained in detail in my new book Universal Reality 2.0 available under my name on Amazon.
> > 
> > Edgar L. Owen
> 
> 
> 
> Can you explain to me what "the present moment" is?

The present moment is the moment right now when you are reading this. It's the most fundamental experience and observation of our existence. The purpose of science is to explain such observations, not to deny them...

Edgar L. Owen

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#424422

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 7:07:53 AM UTC-4, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:44:27 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> > > 
> > > The solution to this perennial problem in a computational universe like ours is straightforward. The logic and math necessary to compute the universe is Reality Math subject to discovery, and all the rest is invented Human Math.
> > > 
> > > Turns out Reality Math is relatively simple. It's just what's necessary to compute particle interactions. Everything else in the universe is Emergent manifestations of aggregates of particle interactions. Emergent processes aren't directly computed but are only aggregate phenomena.
> > > 
> > > So Human math is first of all the approximate discovery of the basic principles of Reality Math. But the vast majority of Human Math is invented. It's just figuring out how Reality Math can be consistently expanded.
> > > 
> > > Thus Human math emerges from the basic principles of Reality math just as the entire universe of science emerges from individual particle interactions in aggregate.
> > > 
> > > Both emerge consistently from their fundamentals. That's why Human math is so good at describing Emergent phenomena, because both emerge in the same manner from their fundamentals, and the fundamentals of Reality Math compute the fundamental particle interactions so they are consistent.
> > > 
> > > Thus Reality Math is the basic 'machine language' of our computational universe. It includes the fundamental logico-mathematical and data manipulation operators necessary to compute all particle interactions and that's it. From these relatively simple computations the entire observable universe emerges and Human math as well.
> > > 
> > > Thus the vast majority of Human Math DESCRIBES but doesn't COMPUTE the universe. Only Reality Math actually computes the universe.
> > > 
> > > This is all explained in detail in my new book Universal Reality 2.0 available under my name on Amazon.
> > > 
> > > Edgar L. Owen
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Can you explain to me what "the present moment" is?
> 
> The present moment is the moment right now when you are reading this. It's the most fundamental experience and observation of our existence. The purpose of science is to explain such observations, not to deny them...
> 
> Edgar L. Owen

The present moment is more formally defined as when your proper clock time readings = ticks occur.

Edgar L. Owen

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#424425

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 7:14:35 AM UTC-4, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 7:07:53 AM UTC-4, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:44:27 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > The solution to this perennial problem in a computational universe like ours is straightforward. The logic and math necessary to compute the universe is Reality Math subject to discovery, and all the rest is invented Human Math.
> > > > 
> > > > Turns out Reality Math is relatively simple. It's just what's necessary to compute particle interactions. Everything else in the universe is Emergent manifestations of aggregates of particle interactions. Emergent processes aren't directly computed but are only aggregate phenomena.
> > > > 
> > > > So Human math is first of all the approximate discovery of the basic principles of Reality Math. But the vast majority of Human Math is invented. It's just figuring out how Reality Math can be consistently expanded.
> > > > 
> > > > Thus Human math emerges from the basic principles of Reality math just as the entire universe of science emerges from individual particle interactions in aggregate.
> > > > 
> > > > Both emerge consistently from their fundamentals. That's why Human math is so good at describing Emergent phenomena, because both emerge in the same manner from their fundamentals, and the fundamentals of Reality Math compute the fundamental particle interactions so they are consistent.
> > > > 
> > > > Thus Reality Math is the basic 'machine language' of our computational universe. It includes the fundamental logico-mathematical and data manipulation operators necessary to compute all particle interactions and that's it. From these relatively simple computations the entire observable universe emerges and Human math as well.
> > > > 
> > > > Thus the vast majority of Human Math DESCRIBES but doesn't COMPUTE the universe. Only Reality Math actually computes the universe.
> > > > 
> > > > This is all explained in detail in my new book Universal Reality 2.0 available under my name on Amazon.
> > > > 
> > > > Edgar L. Owen
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Can you explain to me what "the present moment" is?
> > 
> > The present moment is the moment right now when you are reading this. It's the most fundamental experience and observation of our existence. The purpose of science is to explain such observations, not to deny them...
> > 
> > Edgar L. Owen
> 
> The present moment is more formally defined as when your proper clock time readings = ticks occur.
> 
> Edgar L. Owen

Proper time ticks have a value and a when. The value is the proper time reading displayed, and the when is when that display event occurs. The when is the present moment.

Present moment time flows at a fixed rate throughout the universe and the current present moment is common to all observers. i prove this in my book by proving that there is always a one-to-one relationship among the proper times of all observers that is true for all observers in the universe no matter what their own proper clock time readings are or how fast their proper clock time is flowing.

This is just a more formal proof of the self-evident fact that every observer in the universe must be doing something at every tick on my clock, and that this is true for the clocks of every observer.

The fixed universal rate of proper time drives the universal processor continually computing the current present moment data state of the entire universe including all local clock time rates depending on the amount of spatial velocity present so that the vector sum of space and time velocities always equals c.

This is how all relativistic phenomena are computed in present moment time and the present moment is compatible with and actually required by relativity itself.

Edgar L. Owen

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#424451

The Starmaker wrote:

> Can you explain to me what "the present moment" is?

Intangible.

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