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An easy way to understand the Gravitational Redshift

Started by"Edgar L. Owen" <edgar@edgarlowen.com>
First post2016-11-30 05:27 -0800
Last post2016-12-03 10:42 -0800
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  An easy way to understand the Gravitational Redshift "Edgar L. Owen" <edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2016-11-30 05:27 -0800
    An easy way to understand the Gravitational Redshift "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-30 05:57 -0800
    Re: An easy way to understand the Gravitational Redshift Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-30 10:10 -0600
    Re: An easy way to understand the Gravitational Redshift The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-11-30 10:41 -0800
      Re: An easy way to understand the Gravitational Redshift The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-03 10:42 -0800

#400284 — An easy way to understand the Gravitational Redshift

From"Edgar L. Owen" <edgar@edgarlowen.com>
Date2016-11-30 05:27 -0800
SubjectAn easy way to understand the Gravitational Redshift
Message-ID<6a6b5343-42c4-4ad9-8cc6-a44a49755200@googlegroups.com>
All,

Here is an easy way to understand the gravitational redshift based on some hidden principles of relativity. 

The MEv Principle explains that a gravitational field is best modeled as a field of intrinsic velocity density (gravitational fields are vibrational fields in space). Modeling all forms of mass and energy as different forms of spatial velocity also solves the fundamental problem of why all forms of mass and energy are conserved since it's now just a matter of converting one form of spatial velocity into the equivalent amount of another form.

The STc Principle tells us that the combined spatial and time velocities of anything is always c. Thus the intrinsic spatial velocity of a gravitational field subtracts from the velocity of time within it and this means the light waves slow and become redshifted. 

These 2 fundamental principles of relativity also explain everything else about it. Gravitational time dilation and linear velocity time dilation are now seen as 2 cases of the same underlying STc Principle.

This is all explained in detail in my book Relativity Made Easy, The Hidden Principles available on Amazon under my name in both a paperback and Kindle edition. 

Edgar
Edgar L. Owen

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#400290

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-30 05:57 -0800
Message-ID<7e562087-65c3-414b-bf6a-e0441110f888@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#400284
Increasing Entropy 

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#400325

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2016-11-30 10:10 -0600
Message-ID<Au6dnelHfv-TZ6PFnZ2dnUU7_8xh4p2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#400284
On 11/30/16 11/30/16 - 7:27 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Here is an easy way to understand the gravitational redshift based on some
> hidden principles of relativity. [...]

Word salad, all of it. Apparently you don't know what the words you use actually 
mean. You need to LEARN the vocabulary before you can write anything sensible.

Tom Roberts

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#400360

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-11-30 10:41 -0800
Message-ID<583F1D61.5B@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#400284
Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Here is an easy way to understand the gravitational redshift based on some hidden principles of relativity.
> 
> The MEv Principle explains that a gravitational field is best modeled as a field of intrinsic velocity density (gravitational fields are vibrational fields in space). Modeling all forms of mass and energy as different forms of spatial velocity also solves the fundamental problem of why all forms of mass and energy are conserved since it's now just a matter of converting one form of spatial velocity into the equivalent amount of another form.
> 
> The STc Principle tells us that the combined spatial and time velocities of anything is always c. Thus the intrinsic spatial velocity of a gravitational field subtracts from the velocity of time within it and this means the light waves slow and become redshifted.
> 
> These 2 fundamental principles of relativity also explain everything else about it. Gravitational time dilation and linear velocity time dilation are now seen as 2 cases of the same underlying STc Principle.
> 
> This is all explained in detail in my book Relativity Made Easy, The Hidden Principles available on Amazon under my name in both a paperback and Kindle edition.
> 
> Edgar
> Edgar L. Owen

based on some
"hidden principles"????


"some"?

"hidden"??


I'll tell you some hidden principles..

If you looked at the night sky 
'before the big bang'
you would see stars
all aligned
with each other
in straight lines
and none of the 
stars ever burned out.

You could draw a straight line
between any two stars.

As more stars were born
they simply ran out of space.


The Starmaker

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#400704

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-12-03 10:42 -0800
Message-ID<58431230.7B19@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#400360
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Here is an easy way to understand the gravitational redshift based on some hidden principles of relativity.
> >
> > The MEv Principle explains that a gravitational field is best modeled as a field of intrinsic velocity density (gravitational fields are vibrational fields in space). Modeling all forms of mass and energy as different forms of spatial velocity also solves the fundamental problem of why all forms of mass and energy are conserved since it's now just a matter of converting one form of spatial velocity into the equivalent amount of another form.
> >
> > The STc Principle tells us that the combined spatial and time velocities of anything is always c. Thus the intrinsic spatial velocity of a gravitational field subtracts from the velocity of time within it and this means the light waves slow and become redshifted.
> >
> > These 2 fundamental principles of relativity also explain everything else about it. Gravitational time dilation and linear velocity time dilation are now seen as 2 cases of the same underlying STc Principle.
> >
> > This is all explained in detail in my book Relativity Made Easy, The Hidden Principles available on Amazon under my name in both a paperback and Kindle edition.
> >
> > Edgar
> > Edgar L. Owen
> 
> based on some
> "hidden principles"????
> 
> "some"?
> 
> "hidden"??
> 
> I'll tell you some hidden principles..
> 
> If you looked at the night sky
> 'before the big bang'
> you would see stars
> all aligned
> with each other
> in straight lines
> and none of the
> stars ever burned out.
> 
> You could draw a straight line
> between any two stars.
> 
> As more stars were born
> they simply ran out of space.
> 
> The Starmaker

i know you people are waiting to be Told what came before the big bang,
cause yous cannot Think for yourselves..

but, before the big bang...stars existed, there were no
galaxies....stars were not clustered in galaxies then.


Each star
got it's energy
from the star
closest to it, and
all stars
were aligned
connected with a pipeline
that funneled energy.

The source of the energy
was a Mother star
at the center of a
four dimensional universe.

i bet they don't teach you this in skool...


It is ...irrefutable.


The Starmaker

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