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past,present,future

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2016-05-01 15:54 -0700
Last post2016-05-04 23:59 -0500
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  past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 15:54 -0700
    Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 18:18 -0500
      Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 16:59 -0700
        Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 18:59 -0700
          Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 21:02 -0500
          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 22:46 -0700
            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 10:01 -0700
              Re: past,present,future Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-05-02 21:39 -0500
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 21:20 -0700
                  Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 22:46 -0700
                    Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-03 00:15 -0700
                      Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-03 20:55 -0700
                        Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-03 22:17 -0700
                        Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-08 22:36 -0700
                          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-09 21:21 -0700
                            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-11 13:35 -0700
      Re: past,present,future RustyJames <extremesoundandlight@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-09 00:47 -0700
    Re: past,present,future Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 10:21 -0700
    Re: past,present,future David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2016-05-02 20:29 -0600
      Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 19:11 -0700
    Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 07:38 -0500
      Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-05 00:03 +0200
        Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 19:27 -0500
          Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-05 03:14 +0200
      Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-04 23:08 -0700
        Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 09:16 -0500
          Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-06 19:58 +0200
            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 11:11 -0700
        Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-05 09:40 -0700
          Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 15:29 -0500
            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-05 23:24 -0700
          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 11:13 -0700
          Re: past,present,future mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-08 23:30 -0700
    Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 20:38 -0500
      Re: past,present,future benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-04 23:26 -0400
        Re: past,present,future "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 20:49 -0700
          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-05 23:30 -0700
            Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 08:42 -0500
              Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 11:05 -0700
                Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 18:18 -0500
                  Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 20:30 -0700
                    Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 22:33 -0500
                  Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 20:58 -0700
                    Re: past,present,future Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-05-06 22:08 -0600
                      Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-07 19:07 +0200
        Re: past,present,future Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-04 23:59 -0500

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#382923

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-05-06 20:30 -0700
Message-ID<572D613B.73AB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#382906
Sam Wormley wrote:
> 
> On 5/6/16 1:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > You're not learning anything, are you? ...there is no space or time
> 
>    In my universe, there are both space and time and evolution.
> 


by your universe you mean the cut-paste universe...

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#382924

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-05-06 22:33 -0500
Message-ID<04ydndbWm41j_LDKnZ2dnUU7-VMAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#382923
On 5/6/16 10:30 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Sam Wormley wrote:
>>
>> On 5/6/16 1:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> You're not learning anything, are you? ...there is no space or time
>>
>>    In my universe, there are both space and time and evolution.
>>
>
>
> by your universe you mean the cut-paste universe...
>

   By my universe, i refer to the one I am apart of that is
   observable and measurable.

-- 

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to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
community, and physics-related social issues.

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#382925

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-05-06 20:58 -0700
Message-ID<572D67F5.454E@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#382906
Sam Wormley wrote:
> 
> On 5/6/16 1:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > You're not learning anything, are you? ...there is no space or time
> 
>    In my universe, there are both space and time and evolution.
> 
> --
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.



if you remove all the planets and things in the universe, ...will there
still be space?

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#382926

FromVirgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com>
Date2016-05-06 22:08 -0600
Message-ID<VIRGIL-6E1F27.22081006052016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#382925
In article <572D67F5.454E@ix.netcom.com>,
 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Sam Wormley wrote:
> > 
> > On 5/6/16 1:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > You're not learning anything, are you? ...there is no space or time
> > 
> >    In my universe, there are both space and time and evolution.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> > community, and physics-related social issues.
> 
> 
> 
> if you remove all the planets and things in the universe, ...will there
> still be space?

Will it matter if there is nothing to go in it ?
-- 
Virgil
"Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens." (Schiller)

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#382959

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2016-05-07 19:07 +0200
Message-ID<1589762.G73mafhTtu@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#382926
Virgil wrote:

>  The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Sam Wormley wrote:
>> > On 5/6/16 1:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> > > You're not learning anything, are you? ...there is no space or time
>> > 
>> >    In my universe, there are both space and time and evolution.
>> 
>> if you remove all the planets and things in the universe, ...will there
>> still be space?

If by “things” you mean luminous (ca. 0.4 % of the mass–energy of the 
universe), non-luminous (ca. 3.6 %), and dark matter (ca. 23 %), then 
probably yes, because there would still be dark energy (formerly, ca. 73 %).
 
> Will it matter if there is nothing to go in it ?
          ^^^^^^ :)

AIUI yes: without the positive gravitational pressure of matter as defined 
above, the negative pressure exerted on the universe by dark energy could 
quickly rip spacetime apart (Big Rip), especially if it is indeed 
quintessence in the form of phantom energy (w = p∕ρ < −1).

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#382807

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2016-05-04 23:59 -0500
Message-ID<EcKdne38Z_26TrfKnZ2dnUU7_81i4p2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#382804
On 5/4/16 5/4/16   10:26 PM, benj wrote:
> On 05/04/2016 09:38 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>    The "present" is represented by an infinitesimally small point.
>
> Sam, since "points" don't exist, clearly nothing is in the "present".

You confuse REPRESENTATION with EXISTENCE.


> So the model fails.

No. Your confusion of model and world fails.


Tom Roberts

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