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| First post | 2016-04-19 14:52 -0700 |
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Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 14:52 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-19 16:57 -0500
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 15:38 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-19 17:44 -0500
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 19:20 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 14:39 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 23:56 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-22 12:09 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 15:58 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-20 19:31 +1000
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 11:48 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 12:27 +1000
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:10 -0400
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:26 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:44 -0400
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 23:11 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 09:32 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 23:47 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 05:39 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-22 11:57 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 14:20 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 22:55 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-25 05:57 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 23:29 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 07:26 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 11:58 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 13:35 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 15:17 +1000
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 22:56 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 02:00 -0400
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 20:52 +1000
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 11:23 -0400
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-23 13:25 +1000
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 01:14 -0400
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-23 15:32 +1000
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 02:19 -0400
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 15:52 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 22:35 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 23:36 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 07:29 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 11:53 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 14:49 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-27 00:07 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-28 11:08 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:28 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:45 -0400
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 23:18 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-04-20 03:31 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 11:46 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:31 -0700
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:47 -0400
Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 00:27 -0700
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 14:52 -0700 |
| Subject | Time AND Space is an Illusion |
| Message-ID | <5716A893.7508@ix.netcom.com> |
Time AND Space is an Illusion. and that's that! any questions?
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 16:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nf69lt$8ci$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #381970 |
On 4/19/2016 4:52 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Time AND Space is an Illusion. > > and that's that! > > any questions? > ok, but what about things ? are things an illusion ?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 15:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5716B358.748D@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #381971 |
Sergio wrote: > > On 4/19/2016 4:52 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Time AND Space is an Illusion. > > > > and that's that! > > > > any questions? > > > > ok, but what about things ? are things an illusion ? well of course! Name any ...thing.
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 17:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nf6cf4$cmh$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #381974 |
On 4/19/2016 5:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Sergio wrote: >> >> On 4/19/2016 4:52 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Time AND Space is an Illusion. >>> >>> and that's that! >>> >>> any questions? >>> >> >> ok, but what about things ? are things an illusion ? > > well of course! Name any ...thing. > Donald Trump, or Hillary Clinton very illusive
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 19:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5716E774.3431@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #381970 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Time AND Space is an Illusion. > > and that's that! > > any questions? Okay..lets put Time aside for the moment.. Hows space an illusion??
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-20 14:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5717F70A.46C9@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #381979 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Time AND Space is an Illusion. > > > > and that's that! > > > > any questions? > > Okay..lets put Time aside for the moment.. > > Hows space an illusion?? First you need to understand what space is made of. The space a fish swims around in is no different from the space earthlings travel in... they are both made of something. Space is made of very little particles. very little. Do you know how "vey little" I'm talking about??
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-21 23:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5719CB38.395C@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #382009 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Time AND Space is an Illusion. > > > > > > and that's that! > > > > > > any questions? > > > > Okay..lets put Time aside for the moment.. > > > > Hows space an illusion?? > > First you need to understand > what space is made of. > > The space a fish > swims around in is > no different from > the space earthlings > travel in... > > they are both > made of something. > > Space is made of > very little particles. > > very little. > > Do you know how "vey little" I'm talking about?? Let me put it a differently.. Remove time from the equation (it's an illusion anyway) Also remove Space from the equation.. (another illusion) What are you left with? All the stars and planets.. and everything holding it together...which is what you people call today..Gravity. What does Gravity have to do with anything else???? How about...Electricity? Whats the connection?? There is none.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 12:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <571A76DC.56CB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #382095 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > Time AND Space is an Illusion. > > > > > > > > and that's that! > > > > > > > > any questions? > > > > > > Okay..lets put Time aside for the moment.. > > > > > > Hows space an illusion?? > > > > First you need to understand > > what space is made of. > > > > The space a fish > > swims around in is > > no different from > > the space earthlings > > travel in... > > > > they are both > > made of something. > > > > Space is made of > > very little particles. > > > > very little. > > > > Do you know how "vey little" I'm talking about?? > > Let me put it a differently.. > > Remove time from the equation > (it's an illusion anyway) > > Also remove Space from the equation.. > > (another illusion) > > What are you left with? All the stars and planets.. > and everything holding it together...which is what > you people call today..Gravity. > > What does Gravity have to do with anything else???? > > How about...Electricity? Whats the connection?? There is none. In other words... yous science girls have this space and time confused with Gravity. Space and Time is just an illusion projected by Gravity. What is Dark Matter? It's Gravity stupid!
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-24 15:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <571D4FB2.4F91@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #382119 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Time AND Space is an Illusion. > > > > > > > > > > and that's that! > > > > > > > > > > any questions? > > > > > > > > Okay..lets put Time aside for the moment.. > > > > > > > > Hows space an illusion?? > > > > > > First you need to understand > > > what space is made of. > > > > > > The space a fish > > > swims around in is > > > no different from > > > the space earthlings > > > travel in... > > > > > > they are both > > > made of something. > > > > > > Space is made of > > > very little particles. > > > > > > very little. > > > > > > Do you know how "vey little" I'm talking about?? > > > > Let me put it a differently.. > > > > Remove time from the equation > > (it's an illusion anyway) > > > > Also remove Space from the equation.. > > > > (another illusion) > > > > What are you left with? All the stars and planets.. > > and everything holding it together...which is what > > you people call today..Gravity. > > > > What does Gravity have to do with anything else???? > > > > How about...Electricity? Whats the connection?? There is none. > > In other words... > > yous science girls > have this space and time confused with Gravity. > > Space and Time is just an illusion projected by Gravity. > > What is Dark Matter? It's Gravity stupid! let me put it this way.. if you believe Time flows then Space also flows. That which you call gravitional waves is actually time and space flowing... but since time and space doesn't exist.. then it's gravity flowing... and the earth is flowing on the surface waves of gravity. you probabby have eight or nine balls floating on the ocean.
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-04-20 19:31 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <dnp0k7FahljU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #381970 |
On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > Time AND Space is an Illusion. > > and that's that! > > any questions? > What are you on? Sylvia.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-20 11:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5717CEE5.D7F@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #381991 |
Sylvia Else wrote: > > On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Time AND Space is an Illusion. > > > > and that's that! > > > > any questions? > > > > What are you on? > > Sylvia. Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-04-21 12:27 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <dnqs4oFovhmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #382006 |
On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > Sylvia Else wrote: >> >> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Time AND Space is an Illusion. >>> >>> and that's that! >>> >>> any questions? >>> >> >> What are you on? >> >> Sylvia. > > > Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else? > An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an appearance that differs significantly from its reality. So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question. Sylvia.
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| From | benj <nobodyxx@gmail> |
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| Date | 2016-04-21 00:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <571852a8$0$31281$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #382016 |
On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >> Sylvia Else wrote: >>> >>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion. >>>> >>>> and that's that! >>>> >>>> any questions? >>>> >>> >>> What are you on? >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> >> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else? >> > > An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an > appearance that differs significantly from its reality. > > So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question. > > Sylvia. It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but nevertheless the question is a valid one. Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually fixed and immutable. How can this be? Well as you say it's all about "perception". Like the people in Plato's cave let us suppose that your perception of events (reality) is entirely due to your consciousness. You consciousness is observing shadows on the cave wall that you take to be reality. Only that doesn't fit well with our experience of "reality". So let's "improve" Plato's idea and instead of sitting and observing life go by on the cave wall, say all of the universe INCLUDING all possible effects, events and things that COULD happen are cast into a huge...well we knew Hollywood physics would enter in, right?...Matrix! When you experience "time" in truth your consciousness is experiencing a VELOCITY over the matrix. Your "past" is the path your consciousness took, through the matrix up to now. The present is the location where your consciousness is presently located and the future is innumerable paths your consciousness COULD take from the present point. Note that since the start of the future path must be the present point, MANY paths are available but most are not. Jumps we presume are not allowed. Thus, one can say, there is NO time, it is all ONE time and there is no space, it is all ONE space! And it becomes obvious that the past is fixed (it is the path you took!) And the future is not (many paths available). However if we apply Newton's laws we see that any path from the past will tend to move forward on a given trajectory unless acted upon by a FORCE. And that force would be Mind or what is termed "will". Hence ability to get outside of causality (coasting) is termed free will. It's all so simple, Sylivia, I wonder why nobody "gets" it?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-20 21:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5718568F.AC3@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #382024 |
benj wrote: > > On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: > > On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >> Sylvia Else wrote: > >>> > >>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion. > >>>> > >>>> and that's that! > >>>> > >>>> any questions? > >>>> > >>> > >>> What are you on? > >>> > >>> Sylvia. > >> > >> > >> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else? > >> > > > > An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an > > appearance that differs significantly from its reality. > > > > So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question. > > > > Sylvia. > > It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but > nevertheless the question is a valid one. > > Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that > mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress > and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the > future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing > is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually > fixed and immutable. > > How can this be? Well as you say it's all about "perception". Like the > people in Plato's cave let us suppose that your perception of events > (reality) is entirely due to your consciousness. You consciousness is > observing shadows on the cave wall that you take to be reality. Only > that doesn't fit well with our experience of "reality". So let's > "improve" Plato's idea and instead of sitting and observing life go by > on the cave wall, say all of the universe INCLUDING all possible > effects, events and things that COULD happen are cast into a huge...well > we knew Hollywood physics would enter in, right?...Matrix! > > When you experience "time" in truth your consciousness is experiencing a > VELOCITY over the matrix. Your "past" is the path your consciousness > took, through the matrix up to now. The present is the location where > your consciousness is presently located and the future is innumerable > paths your consciousness COULD take from the present point. Note that > since the start of the future path must be the present point, MANY paths > are available but most are not. Jumps we presume are not allowed. > > Thus, one can say, there is NO time, it is all ONE time and there is no > space, it is all ONE space! And it becomes obvious that the past is > fixed (it is the path you took!) And the future is not (many paths > available). However if we apply Newton's laws we see that any path from > the past will tend to move forward on a given trajectory unless acted > upon by a FORCE. And that force would be Mind or what is termed "will". > Hence ability to get outside of causality (coasting) is termed free will. > > It's all so simple, Sylivia, I wonder why nobody "gets" it? the past is not fixed. if someone tells you your mother is not really your real mother, your past changes. your real mother no loger exist in your past...anyone can change your past...events are always changing. What doesn't change is that you seem to be Wrong consistently.
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| From | benj <nobodyxx@gmail> |
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| Date | 2016-04-21 00:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <57185ac1$0$46736$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #382027 |
On 04/21/2016 12:26 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > benj wrote: >> >> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion. >>>>>> >>>>>> and that's that! >>>>>> >>>>>> any questions? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What are you on? >>>>> >>>>> Sylvia. >>>> >>>> >>>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else? >>>> >>> >>> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an >>> appearance that differs significantly from its reality. >>> >>> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question. >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but >> nevertheless the question is a valid one. >> >> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that >> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress >> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the >> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing >> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually >> fixed and immutable. >> >> How can this be? Well as you say it's all about "perception". Like the >> people in Plato's cave let us suppose that your perception of events >> (reality) is entirely due to your consciousness. You consciousness is >> observing shadows on the cave wall that you take to be reality. Only >> that doesn't fit well with our experience of "reality". So let's >> "improve" Plato's idea and instead of sitting and observing life go by >> on the cave wall, say all of the universe INCLUDING all possible >> effects, events and things that COULD happen are cast into a huge...well >> we knew Hollywood physics would enter in, right?...Matrix! >> >> When you experience "time" in truth your consciousness is experiencing a >> VELOCITY over the matrix. Your "past" is the path your consciousness >> took, through the matrix up to now. The present is the location where >> your consciousness is presently located and the future is innumerable >> paths your consciousness COULD take from the present point. Note that >> since the start of the future path must be the present point, MANY paths >> are available but most are not. Jumps we presume are not allowed. >> >> Thus, one can say, there is NO time, it is all ONE time and there is no >> space, it is all ONE space! And it becomes obvious that the past is >> fixed (it is the path you took!) And the future is not (many paths >> available). However if we apply Newton's laws we see that any path from >> the past will tend to move forward on a given trajectory unless acted >> upon by a FORCE. And that force would be Mind or what is termed "will". >> Hence ability to get outside of causality (coasting) is termed free will. >> >> It's all so simple, Sylivia, I wonder why nobody "gets" it? > > > > the past is not fixed. if someone tells you your mother is not really > your real mother, your past changes. your real > mother no loger exist in your past...anyone can change your > past...events are always changing. > > What doesn't change is that you seem to be Wrong consistently. > Starfaker, you are a lib idiot like HVAC. Reality is not your fantasies. HVAC has been invited to jump off a building to "prove" this theory that gravity is not a force. And you are invited to perform similar experiments to prove that reality is only what you imagine it to be. You have been an idiot in the past and that can never be changed even if you actually were to grow a brain at some point. Why don't you go play trolling the atheists or something while we adults are talking?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-20 23:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <57186F26.349@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #382030 |
benj wrote: > > On 04/21/2016 12:26 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > benj wrote: > >> > >> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: > >>> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>> Sylvia Else wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and that's that! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> any questions? > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> What are you on? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sylvia. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else? > >>>> > >>> > >>> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an > >>> appearance that differs significantly from its reality. > >>> > >>> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question. > >>> > >>> Sylvia. > >> > >> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but > >> nevertheless the question is a valid one. > >> > >> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that > >> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress > >> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the > >> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing > >> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually > >> fixed and immutable. > >> > >> How can this be? Well as you say it's all about "perception". Like the > >> people in Plato's cave let us suppose that your perception of events > >> (reality) is entirely due to your consciousness. You consciousness is > >> observing shadows on the cave wall that you take to be reality. Only > >> that doesn't fit well with our experience of "reality". So let's > >> "improve" Plato's idea and instead of sitting and observing life go by > >> on the cave wall, say all of the universe INCLUDING all possible > >> effects, events and things that COULD happen are cast into a huge...well > >> we knew Hollywood physics would enter in, right?...Matrix! > >> > >> When you experience "time" in truth your consciousness is experiencing a > >> VELOCITY over the matrix. Your "past" is the path your consciousness > >> took, through the matrix up to now. The present is the location where > >> your consciousness is presently located and the future is innumerable > >> paths your consciousness COULD take from the present point. Note that > >> since the start of the future path must be the present point, MANY paths > >> are available but most are not. Jumps we presume are not allowed. > >> > >> Thus, one can say, there is NO time, it is all ONE time and there is no > >> space, it is all ONE space! And it becomes obvious that the past is > >> fixed (it is the path you took!) And the future is not (many paths > >> available). However if we apply Newton's laws we see that any path from > >> the past will tend to move forward on a given trajectory unless acted > >> upon by a FORCE. And that force would be Mind or what is termed "will". > >> Hence ability to get outside of causality (coasting) is termed free will. > >> > >> It's all so simple, Sylivia, I wonder why nobody "gets" it? > > > > > > > > the past is not fixed. if someone tells you your mother is not really > > your real mother, your past changes. your real > > mother no loger exist in your past...anyone can change your > > past...events are always changing. > > > > What doesn't change is that you seem to be Wrong consistently. > > > Starfaker, you are a lib idiot like HVAC. Reality is not your fantasies. > HVAC has been invited to jump off a building to "prove" this theory that > gravity is not a force. And you are invited to perform similar > experiments to prove that reality is only what you imagine it to be. You > have been an idiot in the past and that can never be changed even if you > actually were to grow a brain at some point. > > Why don't you go play trolling the atheists or something while we adults > are talking? Gravity is not a force. It is too weak to be a force. What Gravity is.. it's minus time, minus space. Gravity is the fabric of space...
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-21 09:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c3f6c65b-6c62-474c-ac6e-dedae52d52ba@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #382039 |
On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 12:11:21 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > Gravity is not a force. It is too weak to be a force. What Gravity is.. > it's minus time, minus space. Gravity is the fabric of space... Baloney. Gravity is caused by gravitons, just like em is caused by photons.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-21 23:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5719C91E.6D80@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #382050 |
Gary Harnagel wrote:
>
> On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 12:11:21 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Gravity is not a force. It is too weak to be a force. What Gravity is..
> > it's minus time, minus space. Gravity is the fabric of space...
>
> Baloney. Gravity is caused by gravitons, just like em is caused by photons.
I'm back to giving English lessons again...
grav·i·ton
'grav??tän/
nounPhysics
plural noun: gravitons
a *hypothetical* quantum of gravitational energy, regarded as a particle.
https://www.google.com/#q=define+gravitons
hypothetical:
not real : imagined as an example
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothetical
I understand really...you science guys Love science class soo much you say "Fuck the rest of skool classes!"
You guys say to yourselves..."I'M A FUCKIN GENIUS, I DON'T NEED TO LEARN STUPID ENGLISH!!!!"
Yous forgot to learn how to read...
(science words are the easiest words to spell in the English language, have you noticed?)
(there's a reason why that is...yous science guys canot fucking spel!)
(yous cannot read english, yous cannot spell english, yous cannot even talk english correctly!)
(and i'm talking about yous born in the united states!!!)
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 05:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9b5ccedb-adb4-4b95-abde-18fc88698002@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #382093 |
On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 12:46:39 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > Gary Harnagel wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 12:11:21 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Gravity is not a force. It is too weak to be a force. What Gravity is.. > > > it's minus time, minus space. Gravity is the fabric of space... > > > > Baloney. Gravity is caused by gravitons, just like em is caused by photons. > > > I'm back to giving English lessons again... > > > > grav·i·ton > 'grav??tän/ > nounPhysics > plural noun: gravitons > > a *hypothetical* quantum of gravitational energy, regarded as a particle. > https://www.google.com/#q=define+gravitons > > > hypothetical: > > not real : imagined as an example > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothetical I guess I'm going to have to give you some science lessons: https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/hypothetical "Everyone who has ever taken a science class knows the word "hypothesis," which means an idea, or a guess, that you are going to test through an experiment. A hypothetical is related to that. It means something based on an informed guess." And since you are uninformed, your opinions are worthless. "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." -- Harlan Ellison [Stupid rant deleted for sanitary reasons]
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 11:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <571A741E.5893@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #382107 |
Gary Harnagel wrote: > > On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 12:46:39 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Gary Harnagel wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 12:11:21 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > Gravity is not a force. It is too weak to be a force. What Gravity is.. > > > > it's minus time, minus space. Gravity is the fabric of space... > > > > > > Baloney. Gravity is caused by gravitons, just like em is caused by photons. > > > > > > I'm back to giving English lessons again... > > > > > > > > grav·i·ton > > 'grav??tän/ > > nounPhysics > > plural noun: gravitons > > > > a *hypothetical* quantum of gravitational energy, regarded as a particle. > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+gravitons > > > > > > hypothetical: > > > > not real : imagined as an example > > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothetical > > I guess I'm going to have to give you some science lessons: > > https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/hypothetical > > "Everyone who has ever taken a science class knows the word "hypothesis," > which means an idea, or a guess, that you are going to test through an > experiment. A hypothetical is related to that. It means something based on > an informed guess." > > And since you are uninformed, your opinions are worthless. The definitions of "graviton" and "hypothetical" are not my opinions, they are in fact defintions by merriam-webster and google defintions database. And I did not post the word "hypothesis,", or gave it's definition, that was you, a switcheroo...you cannot be trusted. your opinions are worthless now, and forever!
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