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How Did God Create The Universe?

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First post2016-01-12 08:10 -0800
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  How Did God Create The Universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-12 08:10 -0800
    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 10:17 -0600
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-01-12 10:37 -0600
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 08:44 -0800
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-13 20:14 -0800
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 07:48 -0800
          Re: How Did God Create The Universe? jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-14 08:01 -0800
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-14 11:47 -0800
    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-01-12 17:36 +0100
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-01-12 17:25 +0000
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? "walkslaone" <no@one.here> - 2016-01-12 12:24 -0600
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-01-13 05:00 -0800
          Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2016-01-13 13:53 -0600
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-01-15 08:44 -0500
    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 08:43 -0800
    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-01-12 12:31 -0600
    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-01-13 04:28 -0800
    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 04:33 -0800
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 05:22 -0800
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 06:45 -0800
          Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 07:08 -0800
            Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 08:43 -0800
              Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 09:52 -0800
                Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 10:03 -0800
                  Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 10:19 -0800
                    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 10:35 -0800
                      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 10:51 -0800
                        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 11:08 -0800
                          Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 11:25 -0800
                            Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 11:31 -0800
                              Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 11:40 -0800
                                Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 11:55 -0800
                                  Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 11:58 -0800
                                    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 12:07 -0800
                                      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 12:27 -0800
                                        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 13:03 -0800
                                          Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 13:16 -0800
                                            Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 13:33 -0800
                                              Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 13:47 -0800
                                                Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Carmine Portacio <carpo@trilogybearing.org> - 2016-01-14 00:25 +0000
                                                Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 19:38 -0800
                                                  Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 04:48 -0800
                                                    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-01-14 05:12 -0800
                                                    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 07:44 -0800
                                                      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 07:54 -0800
                    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-13 19:46 +0100
            Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 08:49 -0800
    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-14 11:07 +1100
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 19:17 -0500
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-14 16:23 +1100
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Carmine Portacio <carpo@trilogybearing.org> - 2016-01-14 00:32 +0000
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Carmine Portacio <carpo@trilogybearing.org> - 2016-01-14 00:34 +0000
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Carmine Portacio <carpo@trilogybearing.org> - 2016-01-14 00:44 +0000
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-14 12:51 +1100
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 18:37 -0800
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-01-14 04:49 -0700
          Re: How Did God Create The Universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-14 11:49 -0800
          Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-01-15 00:58 -0600
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-14 16:27 +1100
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-13 22:21 -0800
    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-13 22:09 -0800
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-13 22:40 -0800
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-13 22:49 -0800
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-14 12:12 -0800
          Re: How Did God Create The Universe? jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-14 19:41 -0800
          Re: How Did God Create The Universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-14 22:12 -0800
            Re: How Did God Create The Universe? jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-15 08:17 -0800
    Re: How Did God Create The Universe? jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-14 08:09 -0800
      Re: How Did God Create The Universe? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 08:18 -0800
        Re: How Did God Create The Universe? jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-14 08:36 -0800

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#373762 — How Did God Create The Universe?

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-01-12 08:10 -0800
SubjectHow Did God Create The Universe?
Message-ID<56952563.366@ix.netcom.com>
How Did God Create The Universe?

This is a question everybody seems to
want to know...
How Did God Create The Universe?

They want to know what materials He used.
They want to know did He used computers?
They want to know did He used machines to
create the earth and the universe?
They want to know exactly what process He used
to create the earth and everything in it, including
the whole entire universe!

They want to know...
How Did God Create The Universe?

They want to know...
How Did He Create The Universe?

They want you to explain it all how He did it.




To be continued...

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#373763

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-12 10:17 -0600
Message-ID<L6udnYJTLI-4ugjLnZ2dnUU7-cMAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#373762
On 1/12/16 10:10 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> How Did God Create The Universe?

   Nope -- the concept of god is an invention of man.


-- 

sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
community, and physics-related social issues.

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#373766

FromChristopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date2016-01-12 10:37 -0600
Message-ID<lraa9b5ru64d1ma6qf1emtoeh7fh0lgif9@4ax.com>
In reply to#373763
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:17:41 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 1/12/16 10:10 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> How Did God Create The Universe?
>
>   Nope -- the concept of god is an invention of man.
>
>
>-- 
>
>sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
>to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
>community, and physics-related social issues.

None of the three groups the troll cross-posted to, are to discuss the
god of any religion.

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#373769

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-12 08:44 -0800
Message-ID<89924d69-e35f-4362-bb7d-50a3b8a97a52@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373763
On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 9:17:44 AM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
>
> On 1/12/16 10:10 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > How Did God Create The Universe?
> 
>    Nope -- the concept of god is an invention of man.

Nope, God is an emergent property of the universe.

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#373897

Fromjamesl51165@gmail.com
Date2016-01-13 20:14 -0800
Message-ID<3982d62a-c11f-478c-8e41-846a72c789e3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373763
On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 8:17:44 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 1/12/16 10:10 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > How Did God Create The Universe?
> 
>    Nope -- the concept of god is an invention of man.

There is order before man's mind.
Where did that come from?

Mitchell Raemsch

> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

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#373943

FromDavid Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-14 07:48 -0800
Message-ID<f371a338-84d3-4d3e-aa7d-8492d6be3a4b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373897
On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 9:14:43 PM UTC-7, james...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 8:17:44 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > On 1/12/16 10:10 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > How Did God Create The Universe?
> > 
> >    Nope -- the concept of god is an invention of man.
> 
> There is order before man's mind.
> Where did that come from?
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch
> 

Order doesn't have to come from anything. You admit that yourself when you make the insane proposition of the order of a Gods mind that sets out to make other things with order.

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#373946

Fromjamesl51165@gmail.com
Date2016-01-14 08:01 -0800
Message-ID<0174fae4-679f-48d8-975d-c56b49e8f8ae@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373943
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:48:22 AM UTC-8, David Waite wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 9:14:43 PM UTC-7, james...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 8:17:44 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > On 1/12/16 10:10 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > How Did God Create The Universe?
> > > 
> > >    Nope -- the concept of god is an invention of man.
> > 
> > There is order before man's mind.
> > Where did that come from?
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> > 
> 
> Order doesn't have to come from anything. You admit that yourself when you make the insane proposition of the order of a Gods mind that sets out to make other things with order.

And what about your brain pinhead?

You cannot deny order had a Big Bang beginning Before the mind of man.
"We shall know the Mind of God..." Stephen Hawking

Mitchell Raemsch

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#373972

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-01-14 11:47 -0800
Message-ID<5697FB45.1957@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#373763
Sam Wormley wrote:
> 
> On 1/12/16 10:10 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > How Did God Create The Universe?
> 
>    Nope -- the concept of god is an invention of man.
> 




I know this is very differcult
for yous to understand...

Man made God
so that God
can make Man.



So, if you ask "Who created God?" Well, of course...man did!

And if you want to know "Who created Man?"...well, of course, God did!




God is the best idea Man ever had. 

In other words, Man invented God so that God can create Man.


You don't expect Man to create himself, do you? 


I told you....



this is very differcult
for yous to understand...

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#373764

FromHelmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat>
Date2016-01-12 17:36 +0100
Message-ID<qhaa9bl6aqtvip7rkf677pf37uqu81bpne@4ax.com>
In reply to#373762
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:10:11 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>How Did God Create The Universe?
>
>This is a question everybody seems to
>want to know...
>How Did God Create The Universe?
>
>They want to know what materials He used.
>They want to know did He used computers?
>They want to know did He used machines to
>create the earth and the universe?
>They want to know exactly what process He used
>to create the earth and everything in it, including
>the whole entire universe!
>
>They want to know...
>How Did God Create The Universe?
>
>They want to know...
>How Did He Create The Universe?
>
>They want you to explain it all how He did it.
>
>
>
>
>To be continued...

No, the end is reached.

See, if GAWD can create, then we can.

That GAWD creates ex nihilo, is theological,
that we also could create ex nihilo is logical,
if we only knew the recipe.


Therefore the question HOW DOES CREATION WORK?
is justified and has to be put forward to the creationist creatures.

Creationists are stupid. Kick their asses.


w.

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#373777

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2016-01-12 17:25 +0000
Message-ID<o0uoEr.1J57@kithrup.com>
In reply to#373764
By a Word.

Next?

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#373780

From"walkslaone" <no@one.here>
Date2016-01-12 12:24 -0600
Message-ID<xn0k0x44a19jsn000walks@news80.forteinc.com>
In reply to#373777
Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

> By a Word.

Not really, Bumba [who wants no worship], lost his lunch.  AKA threw up.
 
> Next?

Are you sure you are old enough to expect an answer?

walksalone, who is rather bored for now.  But exciting times are
enroute, according to my bladder.  Well, at least as exciting as what I
responded to.

 "There is no contradiction in Nature - only contradiction in what 
we know of it."

Dana Scully, character on the TV program "X-files"

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#373816

FromDan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com>
Date2016-01-13 05:00 -0800
Message-ID<n75hl4$hke$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#373777
Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> By a Word.

"'In the beginning was the word,' said a dry voice right behind him. 'It 
was the Egg,' corrected another voice. [...] '[...] I'm sure it was the 
primordial slime.' [...] 'No, that came afterwards. There was firmament 
first.' [...] 'You're all wrong. In the beginning was the Clearing of 
the Throat--'"

Eric -- Terry Pratchett


-- 
Dan Tilque

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#373854

FromTom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net>
Date2016-01-13 13:53 -0600
Message-ID<n769r1$mj7$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#373816
On 1/13/2016 7:00 AM, Dan Tilque wrote:
> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> By a Word.
>
> "'In the beginning was the word,' said a dry voice right behind him. 'It
> was the Egg,' corrected another voice. [...] '[...] I'm sure it was the
> primordial slime.' [...] 'No, that came afterwards. There was firmament
> first.' [...] 'You're all wrong. In the beginning was the Clearing of
> the Throat--'"
>
> Eric -- Terry Pratchett
>
>
Ah, Sir Pterry. He is sadly missed. Thankfully he wrote a bunch of 
brilliant stuff we'll be quoting for ages.

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#374047

Fromwdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr)
Date2016-01-15 08:44 -0500
Message-ID<n7at49$8tp$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#373777
In article <o0uoEr.1J57@kithrup.com>,
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) said:

> By a Word.
>
> Next?

Nonresponsive, your Honor, move to strike.

-- wds

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#373767

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-12 08:43 -0800
Message-ID<69ea67dc-a79f-492f-864a-ed9b972f69f4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373762
On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 9:10:12 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>
> How Did God Create The Universe?
> 
> This is a question everybody seems to want to know...
> How Did God Create The Universe?

See:

http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~steinh/vaasrev.pdf

> They want to know what materials He used.

Energy, of course:  m = E/c^2

> They want to know did He used computers?
> They want to know did He used machines to
> create the earth and the universe?

Yeah, it's called terraforming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming

> They want to know exactly what process He used
> to create the earth and everything in it, including
> the whole entire universe!
> 
> They want to know...
> How Did God Create The Universe?
> 
> They want to know...
> How Did He Create The Universe?
> 
> They want you to explain it all how He did it.

See above links.  It's all there for anyone not too lazy
to think.

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#373782

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-01-12 12:31 -0600
Message-ID<mhha9blaa371ae4l0ogbrec2div5grq5fe@4ax.com>
In reply to#373762
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:10:11 -0800, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>How Did God Create The Universe?
>
>This is a question everybody seems to
>want to know...
>How Did God Create The Universe?

He willed it into existence as an infinitely small point of mass/energy of
infinite density..

>They want to know what materials He used.
>They want to know did He used computers?
>They want to know did He used machines to
>create the earth and the universe?
>They want to know exactly what process He used
>to create the earth and everything in it, including
>the whole entire universe!
>
>They want to know...
>How Did God Create The Universe?
>
>They want to know...
>How Did He Create The Universe?
>
>They want you to explain it all how He did it.
>
>
>
>
>To be continued...

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#373814

FromDan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com>
Date2016-01-13 04:28 -0800
Message-ID<n75fpr$c8d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#373762
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> This is a question everybody seems to
> want to know...

I don't, so obviously this is not a true statement.

> How Did God Create The Universe?

Objection! Question assumes facts not in evidence.


-- 
Dan Tilque

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#373815

FromDavid Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-13 04:33 -0800
Message-ID<3d6ed349-f38e-411f-a442-145233b7e5e2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373762
On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 9:10:12 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> How Did God Create The Universe?
> 
> This is a question everybody seems to
> want to know...
> How Did God Create The Universe?

Which God? Oh your God. That one doesn't exist any more than any of the others. Your "question" contains a false statement.

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#373818

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-13 05:22 -0800
Message-ID<d6c5fcc9-0ba1-421c-bedd-0b26937d22cc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373815
On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 5:33:59 AM UTC-7, David Waite wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 9:10:12 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > How Did God Create The Universe?
> > 
> > This is a question everybody seems to
> > want to know...
> > How Did God Create The Universe?
> 
> Which God? Oh your God. That one doesn't exist any more than any of
> the others. Your "question" contains a false statement.

The problem I see is that everyone is making assumptions about what God
is and what He can do.  Clarke's third law states, "Any sufficiently
advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" so what would be
our response to the appearance of a REALLY advanced technology, one that
is a billion years ahead of us?  We have lots of speculations about
civilizations that are a few centuries ahead of us, but that is much less
likely than there being really, really old ones.  We are Johnnie-come-
lately even in our own galaxy, which has existed for twice as long as
our little solar system.

So the answer to your question is, THAT "God."

Gary

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#373819

FromDavid Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-13 06:45 -0800
Message-ID<d783fadf-3b04-4838-82b5-2824c192816f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#373818
On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 6:22:51 AM UTC-7, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 5:33:59 AM UTC-7, David Waite wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 9:10:12 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > How Did God Create The Universe?
> > > 
> > > This is a question everybody seems to
> > > want to know...
> > > How Did God Create The Universe?
> > 
> > Which God? Oh your God. That one doesn't exist any more than any of
> > the others. Your "question" contains a false statement.
> 
> The problem I see is that everyone is making assumptions about what God
> is and what He can do....

> So the answer to your question is, THAT "God."
> 
> Gary

Nope, yours doesn't either. The wrong assumption you are making is that absolutely ludicrous and insane proposition that Gods exist, or even worse that one and only one does. This sort of thing is is why we call you the idiot masses.

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