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  Where are our clocks? John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 16:51 -0800
    Re: Where are our clocks? John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 16:54 -0800
      Re: Where are our clocks? John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 16:58 -0800
      Re: Where are our clocks? John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 17:13 -0800
        Re: Where are our clocks? John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 17:15 -0800
    Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-09 10:58 +0100
      Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 04:33 -0800
        Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-09 14:05 +0100
          Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 06:21 -0800
            Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-09 15:53 +0100
              Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-09 16:13 +0100
              Re: Where are our clocks? Carmine Portacio <carpo@trilogybearing.org> - 2016-01-09 15:31 +0000
                Re: Where are our clocks? Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2016-01-10 08:09 -0700
                  Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-10 16:28 +0100
                    Re: Where are our clocks? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-10 10:40 -0800
                      Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-10 21:00 +0100
                  Re: Where are our clocks? Carmine Portacio <carpo@trilogybearing.org> - 2016-01-10 19:21 +0000
                Re: Where are our clocks? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 20:52 -0800
                  Re: Where are our clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-01-10 23:39 -0800
                  Re: Where are our clocks? Carmine Portacio <carpo@trilogybearing.org> - 2016-01-11 19:05 +0000
                    Re: Where are our clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-01-11 22:48 -0800
                    Re: Where are our clocks? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:56 -0800
                Re: Where are our clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-01-10 23:36 -0800
              Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 08:11 -0800
                Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-09 18:42 +0100
                  Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 12:27 -0800
                    Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-09 22:16 +0100
                      Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 14:18 -0800
                        Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-09 23:23 +0100
                          Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 15:20 -0800
                            Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-10 00:45 +0100
                              Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 19:35 -0800
                                Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-10 11:09 +0100
                                  Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 04:33 -0800
                                    Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-10 13:55 +0100
                                      Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 05:34 -0800
                                        Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-10 14:46 +0100
                                          Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 06:36 -0800
                                            Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-10 16:03 +0100
                                              Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 07:19 -0800
                                                Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-10 16:35 +0100
                                                  Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 07:59 -0800
                                                    Re: Where are our clocks? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-01-10 20:37 +0100
                                                      Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 16:22 -0800
                                                        Re: Where are our clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-01-10 23:31 -0800
                                                          Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 04:57 -0800
                                                            Re: Where are our clocks? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-01-11 05:23 -0800
                                                              Re: Where are our clocks? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 06:21 -0800
    Re: Where are our clocks? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-09 13:18 -0800

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#373552 — Where are our clocks?

Relativity theory depends on the facts from clocks.  This is fine.  Where are our clocks located?  Mechanically, mostly, with measures that are less than a mile away and most of the time spent on small measures at small distances.  This is the validity of special relativity- the idea of attaching clocks at two separate locations and measuring the time.

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#373553

On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 6:52:03 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> Relativity theory depends on the facts from clocks.  This is fine.  Where are our clocks located?  Mechanically, mostly, with measures that are less than a mile away and most of the time spent on small measures at small distances.  This is the validity of special relativity- the idea of attaching clocks at two separate locations and measuring the time.

What about observing objects too far away to attach a clock to?  Should we still believe that nature acts like our clock?

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#373554

On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 6:54:27 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 6:52:03 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> > Relativity theory depends on the facts from clocks.  This is fine.  Where are our clocks located?  Mechanically, mostly, with measures that are less than a mile away and most of the time spent on small measures at small distances.  This is the validity of special relativity- the idea of attaching clocks at two separate locations and measuring the time.
> 
> What about observing objects too far away to attach a clock to?  Should we still believe that nature acts like our clock?

I think that it would be ignorant to think so.

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#373555

On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 6:54:27 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 6:52:03 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> > Relativity theory depends on the facts from clocks.  This is fine.  Where are our clocks located?  Mechanically, mostly, with measures that are less than a mile away and most of the time spent on small measures at small distances.  This is the validity of special relativity- the idea of attaching clocks at two separate locations and measuring the time.
> 
> What about observing objects too far away to attach a clock to?  Should we still believe that nature acts like our clock?

Once we get GOOD control of our clocks- is usually in the small confines of our go/come machines.

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#373556

On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 7:13:42 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 6:54:27 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> > On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 6:52:03 PM UTC-6, John Gogo wrote:
> > > Relativity theory depends on the facts from clocks.  This is fine.  Where are our clocks located?  Mechanically, mostly, with measures that are less than a mile away and most of the time spent on small measures at small distances.  This is the validity of special relativity- the idea of attaching clocks at two separate locations and measuring the time.
> > 
> > What about observing objects too far away to attach a clock to?  Should we still believe that nature acts like our clock?
> 
> Once we get GOOD control of our clocks- is usually in the small confines of our go/come machines.

I hardly see how c would be of use in a macroscopic world.

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#373563

Użytkownik "John Gogo"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
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|Relativity theory depends on the facts from clocks.  This is fine.

No. Relativity theory depends on imagination of bunch of idiots.
You can see at GPS - facts from clocks are: indications are
described by t'=t equation, with the precision of acceptable error.

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#373565

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 2:58:37 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>
> [Lies, lies, and nothing but lies]

Typical behavior of a boneheaded crank.

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#373566

Użytkownik "Gary Harnagel"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
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On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 2:58:37 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>
> [Lies, lies, and nothing but lies]

|Typical behavior of a boneheaded crank.

Yeah, poor idiot. They are lies!!!! Because, yes, it's true,
but we can EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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#373569

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 6:06:28 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>
> Użytkownik "Gary Harnagel"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
> dyskusyjnych:d59a022c-616c-4cf0-aecd-e39731506375@googlegroups.com...
> >
> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 2:58:37 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> > >
> > [Lies, lies, and nothing but lies]
> 
> |Typical behavior of a boneheaded crank.
> 
> Yeah, poor idiot. They are lies!!!! Because, yes, it's true,
> but we can EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're so stupid it's hilarious

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#373572

Użytkownik "Gary Harnagel"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
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> Yeah, poor idiot. They are lies!!!! Because, yes, it's true,
> but we can EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

|You're so stupid it's hilarious

Yes! I'm claiming real clocks indicate t'=t!!! That's true,
of course, but I don't understand that The Shit said these
clocks are UNPROPER!!!!!!NONSTANDARD!!!!!!!!UNUSUAL!!!!!!!! 

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#373573

Użytkownik "Maciej Woźniak"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
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Użytkownik "Gary Harnagel"  napisał w wiadomości grup
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> Yeah, poor idiot. They are lies!!!! Because, yes, it's true,
> but we can EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

|You're so stupid it's hilarious

Yes! I'm claiming real clocks indicate t'=t!!! That's true,
of course, but I don't understand that The Shit said these
clocks are UNPROPER!!!!!!NONSTANDARD!!!!!!!!UNUSUAL!!!!!!!!

And The Shit knows, what is PROPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because The Shit analysed the RESULT OF EXPERIMENT OF
MICHELSON AND MORLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#373574

Maciej Woźniak wrote:

>> Yeah, poor idiot. They are lies!!!! Because, yes, it's true,
>> but we can EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> |You're so stupid it's hilarious
> 
> Yes! I'm claiming real clocks indicate t'=t!!! That's true,
> of course, but I don't understand that The Shit said these clocks are
> UNPROPER!!!!!!NONSTANDARD!!!!!!!!UNUSUAL!!!!!!!!

Hi, I'm born yesterday and don't know what a "clock"
is. Please describe, so we can cooperate.

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#373625

On 1/9/16 8:31 AM, Carmine Portacio wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm born yesterday and don't know what a "clock"
> is. Please describe, [...]
>

THE clock is the watch on your own wrist.  By using that, plus receiving 
messages from some distant person, plus some elementary calculations on 
your part, you can determine the current age of that distant person.  A 
brief description of how to do that is in

  https://sites.google.com/site/cadoequation/cado-reference-frame

and a more detailed description (giving the actual messages and 
calculations required) is in

  "Accelerated Observers in Special Relativity", PHYSICS ESSAYS, 
December 1999, p629.

-- 

   Mike Fontenot

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#373627

Użytkownik "Mike Fontenot"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
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|THE clock is the watch on your own wrist.  By using that, plus receiving
|messages from some distant person, plus some elementary calculations on
|your part, you can determine the current age of that distant person.  A


Let's try it, poor idiot. My clock indicate 16:28. What is my age?

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#373637

=?utf-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:
> 
> Użytkownik "Mike Fontenot"  napisał w wiadomości grup
> dyskusyjnych:56927417.10603@comcast.net...
> 
> |THE clock is the watch on your own wrist.  By using that, plus receiving
> |messages from some distant person, plus some elementary calculations on
> |your part, you can determine the current age of that distant person.  A
> 
> Let's try it, poor idiot. My clock indicate 16:28. What is my age?


you're half pass seven.

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#373643

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=?utf-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:
>
> Użytkownik "Mike Fontenot"  napisał w wiadomości grup
> dyskusyjnych:56927417.10603@comcast.net...
>
> |THE clock is the watch on your own wrist.  By using that, plus receiving
> |messages from some distant person, plus some elementary calculations on
> |your part, you can determine the current age of that distant person.  A
>
> Let's try it, poor idiot. My clock indicate 16:28. What is my age?


|you're half pass seven.

I'm asking seriously. Mike described something, what in his imagination
is a schema of determining "current age of a distant person". Being a
distant person, I'm trying, whether his schema works.

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#373640

Mike Fontenot wrote:

> On 1/9/16 8:31 AM, Carmine Portacio wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I'm born yesterday and don't know what a "clock"
>> is. Please describe, [...]
>>
>>
> THE clock is the watch on your own wrist.  By using that, plus receiving
> messages from some distant person, plus some elementary calculations on
> your part, you can determine the current age of that distant person.  A
> brief description of how to do that is in

I didn't expect you to be that intelligent, thank you.

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#373657

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 7:31:07 AM UTC-8, Carmine Portacio wrote:
> Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> 
> >> Yeah, poor idiot. They are lies!!!! Because, yes, it's true,
> >> but we can EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > |You're so stupid it's hilarious
> > 
> > Yes! I'm claiming real clocks indicate t'=t!!! That's true,
> > of course, but I don't understand that The Shit said these clocks are
> > UNPROPER!!!!!!NONSTANDARD!!!!!!!!UNUSUAL!!!!!!!!
> 
> Hi, I'm born yesterday and don't know what a "clock"
> is. Please describe, so we can cooperate.

A clock is a continuous measuring 
of the passage of time.

To get enough precision to find 
differences in local distances as 
of relativistic effect, the clocks 
are almost all a given particular 
configuration of an "atomic" clock 
that is driven by energy waves of 
a particular "stable" radioactive 
isotope.  

These days there are also configuration 
of "lattice arrays" or atomic clocks 
with the notion of that these could 
increases precision.


Radioactive effects aren't quite so 
well understood as they they'd differ 
under various conditions of gravity, 
or gravity's effect on clocks.

The second effect or time dilation is 
one of those "takes effect at .999c, .99c, 
.95c, .9c, .8c, .5c, ...".  It doesn't 
much take affect at < .5c, and by then 
you're flying (in the sense of tres rapide).

Much like other "high energy" (or high 
precision) man-made experiments, there is 
quite a mono-culture of implementation, and 
even unsuitably sparse confirmation.  Every 
few years NIST CODATA updates the running 
constants, again, there is somewhat a dearth 
of varieties in organization.

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#373663

W dniu poniedziałek, 11 stycznia 2016 05:52:12 UTC+1 użytkownik Ross A. Finlayson napisał:
> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 7:31:07 AM UTC-8, Carmine Portacio wrote:
> > Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> > 
> > >> Yeah, poor idiot. They are lies!!!! Because, yes, it's true,
> > >> but we can EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > 
> > > |You're so stupid it's hilarious
> > > 
> > > Yes! I'm claiming real clocks indicate t'=t!!! That's true,
> > > of course, but I don't understand that The Shit said these clocks are
> > > UNPROPER!!!!!!NONSTANDARD!!!!!!!!UNUSUAL!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > Hi, I'm born yesterday and don't know what a "clock"
> > is. Please describe, so we can cooperate.
> 
> A clock is a continuous measuring 
> of the passage of time.

No. Clock is a simple device producing 
coordinate information.

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#373705

Ross A. Finlayson wrote:

> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 7:31:07 AM UTC-8, Carmine Portacio
> wrote:
>> Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>> 
>> >> Yeah, poor idiot. They are lies!!!! Because, yes, it's true,
>> >> but we can EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> > 
>> > |You're so stupid it's hilarious
>> > 
>> > Yes! I'm claiming real clocks indicate t'=t!!! That's true,
>> > of course, but I don't understand that The Shit said these clocks are
>> > UNPROPER!!!!!!NONSTANDARD!!!!!!!!UNUSUAL!!!!!!!!
>> 
>> Hi, I'm born yesterday and don't know what a "clock"
>> is. Please describe, so we can cooperate.
> 
> A clock is a continuous measuring of the passage of time.

Never see "a continuous measuring of passage of time". Okay. now tell me 
what this thing does.

> To get enough precision to find differences in local distances as of
> relativistic effect, the clocks are almost all a given particular
> configuration of an "atomic" clock that is driven by energy waves of a
> particular "stable" radioactive isotope.

So without atomic good clocks Relativity does not apply?

> These days there are also configuration of "lattice arrays" or atomic
> clocks with the notion of that these could increases precision.

A lot of intelligent Relativists in this group here. I didn't expect they 
to be so intelligent.

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