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  Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-11 13:56 -0800
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-11 16:34 -0600
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-11 15:16 -0800
      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-11 17:10 -0800
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-11 18:40 -0600
      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-12 17:37 +0100
        Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-12 16:40 +0000
        Re: Is the universe curved or flat? gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-13 16:15 -0600
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-11 21:38 -0800
      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 22:02 -0800
      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-13 12:59 -0800
        Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 15:05 -0600
          Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-13 21:52 +0000
          Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-13 22:54 +0100
          Re: Is the universe curved or flat? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 02:26 -0500
        Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-13 18:40 -0800
          Re: Is the universe curved or flat? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-12-13 23:25 -0800
        Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-14 13:04 -0800
          Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 14:24 -0800
            Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 15:16 -0800
              Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 15:34 -0800
                Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-16 23:15 -0800
                Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-19 09:11 -0800
                  Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-19 10:20 -0800
                    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-25 08:48 -0800
                      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-27 23:03 -0800
              Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 18:59 -0600
            Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 18:46 -0600
            Re: Is the universe curved or flat? John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-15 21:42 -0800
    Is the universe curved or flat? David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-20 06:16 -0800
      Is the universe curved or flat? David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-20 06:33 -0800
      Re: Is the universe curved or flat? Ezra Farrow <ezrafa@dubtechno.org> - 2015-12-20 20:02 +0000
    Re: Is the universe curved or flat? alsor@interia.pl - 2015-12-20 08:55 -0800

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#372104

The Starmaker wrote:
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> The Starmaker wrote:
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> > The Starmaker wrote:
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> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 12/11/15 4:02 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 1:56:08 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Flat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Double-A
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    Double-A is correct. WMAP nailed down the curvature of space to
> > > > > >    within 0.4% of "flat" Euclidean.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > this wmac cmb jazz was created by a couple of radio DJ's...i don't trust those drug addicts.
> > >
> > > there is no proof that the cmb was cause by a big bang. that's just...speculation.
> > >
> > > it couldda been somthin else.
> >
> > For example...
> >
> > this thing called WMAP or CMB...
> >
> > microwave background????
> >
> > We are talking about 'radio dj's'!
> >
> > The background is not 'microwave'...it's RADIO waves.
> >
> > That's why there is no heat...it's music, not fire.
> >
> > That stuff in the backgound is just a lot of noise.
> 
> "While working on a new type of antenna at Bell Labs in Holmdel
> Township, New Jersey, they found a source of noise in the atmosphere
> that they could not explain."
> 
> Notice the word "noise"?  "noise in the atmosphere"...
> 
> noise
> 
>     1.
>     a sound, especially one that is loud or unpleasant or that causes
> disturbance. Like a big bang!


In other words, somebody...took all the noise (radio waves is what it
really is) and changed it to 'microwave waves'.


Why? Who knows with 'these people' anymore? They fudge, they tweak, they
change the facts to fit the theory.

You guys are all a bunch of crooks if you ask me.



The Starmaker





go back to making blue boxes...

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#372212

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 12/11/15 4:02 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 1:56:08 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Flat.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Double-A
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >    Double-A is correct. WMAP nailed down the curvature of space to
> > > > > > >    within 0.4% of "flat" Euclidean.
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > this wmac cmb jazz was created by a couple of radio DJ's...i don't trust those drug addicts.
> > > >
> > > > there is no proof that the cmb was cause by a big bang. that's just...speculation.
> > > >
> > > > it couldda been somthin else.
> > >
> > > For example...
> > >
> > > this thing called WMAP or CMB...
> > >
> > > microwave background????
> > >
> > > We are talking about 'radio dj's'!
> > >
> > > The background is not 'microwave'...it's RADIO waves.
> > >
> > > That's why there is no heat...it's music, not fire.
> > >
> > > That stuff in the backgound is just a lot of noise.
> >
> > "While working on a new type of antenna at Bell Labs in Holmdel
> > Township, New Jersey, they found a source of noise in the atmosphere
> > that they could not explain."
> >
> > Notice the word "noise"?  "noise in the atmosphere"...
> >
> > noise
> >
> >     1.
> >     a sound, especially one that is loud or unpleasant or that causes
> > disturbance. Like a big bang!
> 
> In other words, somebody...took all the noise (radio waves is what it
> really is) and changed it to 'microwave waves'.



Now...just because there was a lot of noise in the universe...radio waves...
a big bang if you will...doesn't mean it was caused by an explosion.


What I mean is...picture it if you will...what else could cause
a lot of noise in the universe detected by those radio guys?

'They say'...by they i mean 'the scientific community', says only an explosion
could have caused all that racket/waves...

a big bang.

But there is something else they haven't thought of...

all that noise/raidowaves in the universe didn't have to be caused by an explosion...

just the opposite..

something very calm and silent could cause all that big bang noise radio waves in the universe...


something very calm and silent..

like the soft touch of a piano key...

or the gentle blow on the tuba.

a soft touch on a harp...

a blow of air on a trumpet
can make a ear pericing sound
yet it is caused by quiet air.


In other words, not a big bang explosion...
but a simple gentle air on the tuba.


The CMB is just the sound of music.

The Starmaker

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#372379

And people who come out with using the words 'curve and flat' in the same sentence are dumb:



"WMAP nailed down the curvature of space to
   within 0.4% of "flat" Euclidean."




Who do you think you're fooling?



Let me put it this way...

there is no such thing in outer space as '"flat" Euclidean'.


God does not play with "flat" Euclidean.



A lot of girls got what appears to be a flat butt, but if you look closer...it's curved.

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#372390

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> And people who come out with using the words 'curve and flat' in the same sentence are dumb:
> 
> "WMAP nailed down the curvature of space to
>    within 0.4% of "flat" Euclidean."
> 
> Who do you think you're fooling?
> 
> Let me put it this way...
> 
> there is no such thing in outer space as '"flat" Euclidean'.
> 
> God does not play with "flat" Euclidean.
> 
> A lot of girls got what appears to be a flat butt, but if you look closer...it's curved.


Now I'll explain the center of the universe...


if you blow up a balloon
you will notice
the balloon has
two centers..

the center is
in the middle where
all the air is at..

and the center of
the surface where
you blew the balloon.


Now the earth has 
two centers..

the middle
of the earth...

and the center
on the surface
of the earth...

it might have 
sealed up by now...

so it might be hard to find..
(not that anybody is looking)


The Starmaker

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#372751

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > And people who come out with using the words 'curve and flat' in the same sentence are dumb:
> >
> > "WMAP nailed down the curvature of space to
> >    within 0.4% of "flat" Euclidean."
> >
> > Who do you think you're fooling?
> >
> > Let me put it this way...
> >
> > there is no such thing in outer space as '"flat" Euclidean'.
> >
> > God does not play with "flat" Euclidean.
> >
> > A lot of girls got what appears to be a flat butt, but if you look closer...it's curved.
> 
> Now I'll explain the center of the universe...
> 
> if you blow up a balloon
> you will notice
> the balloon has
> two centers..
> 
> the center is
> in the middle where
> all the air is at..
> 
> and the center of
> the surface where
> you blew the balloon.
> 
> Now the earth has
> two centers..
> 
> the middle
> of the earth...
> 
> and the center
> on the surface
> of the earth...
> 
> it might have
> sealed up by now...
> 
> so it might be hard to find..
> (not that anybody is looking)
> 
> The Starmaker


Or...

if you draw a circle..
whether you do it manually
or with a compass...

it has a beginning
and an end to the 
drawing of a circle...
that is the center.

Might be hard to
detect now in the
universe...with all
that mess up there..

hard to see...
hard to spot
hard to detect
hard to idenify
hard to recognize
hard to ..observe

but it's there.


The Starmaker

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#372832

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > And people who come out with using the words 'curve and flat' in the same sentence are dumb:
> > >
> > > "WMAP nailed down the curvature of space to
> > >    within 0.4% of "flat" Euclidean."
> > >
> > > Who do you think you're fooling?
> > >
> > > Let me put it this way...
> > >
> > > there is no such thing in outer space as '"flat" Euclidean'.
> > >
> > > God does not play with "flat" Euclidean.
> > >
> > > A lot of girls got what appears to be a flat butt, but if you look closer...it's curved.
> >
> > Now I'll explain the center of the universe...
> >
> > if you blow up a balloon
> > you will notice
> > the balloon has
> > two centers..
> >
> > the center is
> > in the middle where
> > all the air is at..
> >
> > and the center of
> > the surface where
> > you blew the balloon.
> >
> > Now the earth has
> > two centers..
> >
> > the middle
> > of the earth...
> >
> > and the center
> > on the surface
> > of the earth...
> >
> > it might have
> > sealed up by now...
> >
> > so it might be hard to find..
> > (not that anybody is looking)
> >
> > The Starmaker
> 
> Or...
> 
> if you draw a circle..
> whether you do it manually
> or with a compass...
> 
> it has a beginning
> and an end to the
> drawing of a circle...
> that is the center.
> 
> Might be hard to
> detect now in the
> universe...with all
> that mess up there..
> 
> hard to see...
> hard to spot
> hard to detect
> hard to idenify
> hard to recognize
> hard to ..observe
> 
> but it's there.
> 
> The Starmaker



it's probably the 'coolest' part of the universe, not the hottest.

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#372114

On 12/15/15 5:16 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> a sound, especially one that is loud or unpleasant or that causes
> disturbance. Like a big bang!


   Sounds of the BB
> http://faculty.washington.edu/jcramer/BBSound.html
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJyJ8Xjllzk
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa2DYSu0E78





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#372112

On 12/15/15 4:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The background is not 'microwave'...it's RADIO waves.



Surprise -- Microwaves are in the short end of the radio spectrum
> http://planck.caltech.edu/epo/images/COBE_CMB_spectrum.jpg




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#372124

On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 4:24:47 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/11/15 4:02 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 1:56:08 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Flat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Double-A
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    Double-A is correct. WMAP nailed down the curvature of space to
> > > > >    within 0.4% of "flat" Euclidean.
> > > > >
> > 
> > this wmac cmb jazz was created by a couple of radio DJ's...i don't trust those drug addicts.
> > 
> > there is no proof that the cmb was cause by a big bang. that's just...speculation.
> > 
> > it couldda been somthin else.
> 
> 
> For example...
> 
> this thing called WMAP or CMB...
> 
> microwave background????
> 
> We are talking about 'radio dj's'!
> 
> 
> The background is not 'microwave'...it's RADIO waves.
> 
> 
> That's why there is no heat...it's music, not fire.
> 
> 
> That stuff in the backgound is just a lot of noise.
> 
> You gotta ask yourself a question...
> Why am I the only one
> in the world bringing this up????
> 
> 
> Radio waves, not microwaves.
> 
> 
> You guys gotta go back to the drawing board and start all over again...
> 
> 
> 
> come back when you're ready.

I've been bringing it up all along.

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#372452

Curvature is Schwartz minimal surface. 
Fits with electron octet rule
All electromagnetic forces are balanced 
An orthogonally arraigned integer system can be integrated with Quantum mechanics 

Space time is flat ... Curve/ (anti curve) 
It is an interlaced double cubic lattice. 
Integrates easily with tesseract & hyper sphere geometry 

Schwartz minimal surface devolved to truncated octahedral tessellation ... Why none of the numbers fit. 

Forces all 360 degrees out of phase. 

Gravity is strong force 360 degrees out of phase. 

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#372453

Curvature is Schwartz minimal surface. 
Fits with electron octet rule 
All electromagnetic forces are balanced 
An orthogonally arraigned integer system can be integrated with Quantum mechanics 

Space time is flat ... Curve/ (anti curve) 
It is an interlaced double cubic lattice. 
Integrates easily with tesseract & hyper sphere geometry 

Schwartz minimal surface devolved to truncated octahedral tessellation ... Why none of the numbers fit. 

Forces all 360 degrees out of phase. 

Gravity is strong force 360 degrees out of phase. 

c  * (4pi * 10^-7) = impedance 
(4pi*10^-7) = reference mass setting c to c with only magnitude and no vector same as michaelson Morley 

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#372462

David Fuller wrote:

> Space time is flat ... Curve/ (anti curve)

Beyond the edges of this Universe, the spacetime is 100% flat. Till it 
hits another Universe. But the time scale is incomprehensible, so a quif 
will never collapse (state or awareness). (human brain awareness is onece 
each 40 ms, if not mistaken).

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#372458

W dniu piątek, 11 grudnia 2015 22:56:06 UTC+1 użytkownik The Starmaker napisał:
> if you say both, i'll shoot myself!

It's just a flatly curved, but in this way, to be just straight to you. :)

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