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Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity

Started by..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.)
First post2015-11-01 05:40 +1100
Last post2015-11-06 09:10 +0000
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  Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-11-01 05:40 +1100
    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Wayne Olmstead <wayols@eclipseevenet.org> - 2015-10-31 18:47 +0000
      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-11-01 15:45 +1100
    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:03 -0700
      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-11-01 15:53 +1100
    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-31 12:14 -0700
      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-10-31 12:25 -0700
        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 22:33 -0800
    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 14:51 -0500
      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-11-01 16:12 +1100
        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-01 03:44 -0800
        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:57 -0600
          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-01 10:03 -0500
            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Wayne Olmstead <wayols@eclipseevenet.org> - 2015-11-01 15:08 +0000
          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-11-02 04:44 +1100
            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 13:05 -0600
              Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-11-02 08:16 +1100
                Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-01 14:05 -0800
                Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 19:28 -0600
                  Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-11-03 01:51 +1100
                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 09:07 -0600
                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-11-03 06:58 +1100
                        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 14:09 -0600
                          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-03 01:11 -0800
                          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-11-04 16:30 +1100
                            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-04 04:52 -0800
                              Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 06:06 -0800
                                Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 10:01 -0500
                                  Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:47 -0800
                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 13:44 -0500
                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-04 11:22 -0800
                                        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 15:23 -0500
                                          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-04 12:36 -0800
                                            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 16:06 -0500
                                              Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-04 13:35 -0800
                                                Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 16:54 -0500
                                                  Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-04 14:24 -0800
                                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 14:50 -0800
                                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 19:48 -0500
                                                        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2015-11-06 02:42 +1100
                                                          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-05 08:18 -0800
                                                          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-05 11:33 -0500
                                                            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 08:57 -0800
                                                              Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-05 18:58 -0500
                                                                Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-05 17:00 -0800
                                                                  Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-05 21:59 -0500
                                                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-05 19:34 -0800
                                                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-06 00:50 -0500
                                                                        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 04:34 -0800
                                                                          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-06 09:31 -0500
                                                                            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 07:02 -0800
                                                                              Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-06 12:25 -0500
                                                                                Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-06 09:42 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-06 12:56 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-06 10:29 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-06 13:36 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-06 11:02 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 11:40 -0800
                                                                              Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-06 20:20 +0100
                                                                            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 08:13 -0800
                                                                              Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-06 09:03 -0800
                                                                                Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-06 12:45 -0500
                                                                              Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-06 12:40 -0500
                                                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-05 23:29 -0800
                                                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-05 19:37 -0800
                                                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-06 00:53 -0500
                                                                        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-05 22:01 -0800
                                                                          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-06 02:32 -0500
                                                                Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 17:11 -0800
                                                  Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-04 14:29 -0800
                                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-04 14:42 -0800
                                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 18:21 -0500
                                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-04 15:24 -0800
                                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-04 15:27 -0800
                                                        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 19:51 -0500
                                                          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-04 16:58 -0800
                                                            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 20:36 -0500
                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 11:43 -0800
                                        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 11:58 -0800
                                          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 12:10 -0800
                                            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 16:01 -0500
                                            Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-05 00:14 +0000
                                              Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 16:30 -0800
                                                Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-05 04:16 +0000
                                                  Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 20:49 -0800
                                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-05 00:43 -0500
                                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 22:03 -0800
                                                        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-05 01:21 -0500
                                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-05 07:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 06:45 -0800
                                        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-04 15:40 -0500
                                Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-05 00:37 -0600
                                  Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2015-11-06 02:53 +1100
                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 08:46 -0800
                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-11-06 08:51 +1100
                                    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-05 16:11 -0600
                                      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Henry Wilson <HW@home.com> - 2015-11-06 09:04 +0000
      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-02 00:52 -0800
    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) - 2015-10-31 19:52 +0000
    Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 22:36 -0800
      Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-11-03 01:52 +1100
        Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-02 08:59 -0800
          Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity Henry Wilson <HW@home.com> - 2015-11-06 09:10 +0000

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#368875

From..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.)
Date2015-11-03 01:52 +1100
Message-ID<v4ue3b9k3khourssgf06kr2j95632eb8mp@4ax.com>
In reply to#368849
On Sun, 01 Nov 2015 22:36:20 -0800, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
>> 
>> Humans are surrounded by objects that often move. Those objects are defined in
>> terms of spatial intervals and their movements in time intervals. All the space
>> and time intervals we experience have a beginning and an end. We cannot
>> mentally understand how any such interval can extend to infinity and we know of
>> none that does.
>> 
>> Because we observe that INTERVALS of time and space have beginnings and ends in
>> the physical sense, we wrongly deduce that the basic dimensions we know as TIME
>> and SPACE should themselves also possess physical beginnings and ends when in
>> fact they are only mathematical scales.
>> 
>> In other words, because our knowledge of the universe is based entirely on
>> intervals, we misconceive the space dimension itself to be an interval when, in
>> fact, it is just a convenience used to define inter-relationships between
>> spatial intervals.
>> 
>> The mystery of the apparent infinite nature of both space and time is therefore
>> shown to be just a psychological misconception. The word 'infinite' has no more
>> relevance to space or time that it does, for instance, to the colour red. It is
>> only meaningful with regard to dimensional INTERVALS and in the physical world
>> all intervals must be finite by definition.
>> 
>> 
>
>
>
>Infinity is a movie with no ending but it is still in film production.

Infinity is a mathematical concept and so is space.
>
>
>The Starmaker

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#368887

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-11-02 08:59 -0800
Message-ID<56379661.280@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#368875
Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 01 Nov 2015 22:36:20 -0800, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
> >>
> >> Humans are surrounded by objects that often move. Those objects are defined in
> >> terms of spatial intervals and their movements in time intervals. All the space
> >> and time intervals we experience have a beginning and an end. We cannot
> >> mentally understand how any such interval can extend to infinity and we know of
> >> none that does.
> >>
> >> Because we observe that INTERVALS of time and space have beginnings and ends in
> >> the physical sense, we wrongly deduce that the basic dimensions we know as TIME
> >> and SPACE should themselves also possess physical beginnings and ends when in
> >> fact they are only mathematical scales.
> >>
> >> In other words, because our knowledge of the universe is based entirely on
> >> intervals, we misconceive the space dimension itself to be an interval when, in
> >> fact, it is just a convenience used to define inter-relationships between
> >> spatial intervals.
> >>
> >> The mystery of the apparent infinite nature of both space and time is therefore
> >> shown to be just a psychological misconception. The word 'infinite' has no more
> >> relevance to space or time that it does, for instance, to the colour red. It is
> >> only meaningful with regard to dimensional INTERVALS and in the physical world
> >> all intervals must be finite by definition.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >Infinity is a movie with no ending but it is still in film production.
> 
> Infinity is a mathematical concept and so is space.
> >
> >
> >The Starmaker


space is a concept??? I never heard that.

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#369200

FromHenry Wilson <HW@home.com>
Date2015-11-06 09:10 +0000
Message-ID<n1hqqm$d7p$2@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#368887
On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 08:59:13 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:

> Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 01 Nov 2015 22:36:20 -0800, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Humans are surrounded by objects that often move. Those objects are
>> >> defined in terms of spatial intervals and their movements in time
>> >> intervals. All the space and time intervals we experience have a
>> >> beginning and an end. We cannot mentally understand how any such
>> >> interval can extend to infinity and we know of none that does.
>> >>
>> >> Because we observe that INTERVALS of time and space have beginnings
>> >> and ends in the physical sense, we wrongly deduce that the basic
>> >> dimensions we know as TIME and SPACE should themselves also possess
>> >> physical beginnings and ends when in fact they are only mathematical
>> >> scales.
>> >>
>> >> In other words, because our knowledge of the universe is based
>> >> entirely on intervals, we misconceive the space dimension itself to
>> >> be an interval when, in fact, it is just a convenience used to
>> >> define inter-relationships between spatial intervals.
>> >>
>> >> The mystery of the apparent infinite nature of both space and time
>> >> is therefore shown to be just a psychological misconception. The
>> >> word 'infinite' has no more relevance to space or time that it does,
>> >> for instance, to the colour red. It is only meaningful with regard
>> >> to dimensional INTERVALS and in the physical world all intervals
>> >> must be finite by definition.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>


>> >
>> >
>> >Infinity is a movie with no ending but it is still in film production.
>> 
>> Infinity is a mathematical concept and so is space.
>> >
>> >
>> >The Starmaker
> 
> 
> space is a concept??? I never heard that.

You learn something every day.

Space is not a spatial interval. Space is what spatial intervals create.

Get it?

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