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| First post | 2015-08-21 17:31 -0400 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:19 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:02 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:44 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-27 16:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 00:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-28 07:44 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 10:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 05:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:04 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:29 +0800
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 05:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <n3t2uap67t7gptteqtv3o9sn1n2jkohoua@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #362106 |
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:08:37 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55E09595.5BC9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:51:42 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55E0130E.359E@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their >> >> >>> effort? >> >> >> >> >> >>I don't know. I only wish them luck. >> >> > >> >> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you >> >> >have no idea if any of it is true or not. Then why bother even >> >> >discussing it? >> >> >> >> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while >> > >> > >> > >> >ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means >> >ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others >> >God exist....while atilla >> >job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in his >> >heart....he's seeking >> >confirmation of God. >> >> I am not seeking confirmation of anything. I am showing those who >> claim some kind of god exists have nothing to support that claim. So >> far I have had complete success. > >Atheism is based on beliefs, not science, ...how do you confirm your >belief God does not exist? > >I believe you believe God does not exist, nobody has a problem with your >beliefs.. Apparently you are unable to understand a position that does not include a belief. This is common among those who are conditioned into blindly accepting superstition as being reality. > >lots of people have beliefs that are wrong... > >atheist are one of those people. > > >When are you people going to come up with an atheist bible? By the time >an atheist writes one, they convert to another religion. No such document is necessary. > >They become agnostic then hare krishnas. > > >Look at Richard Dawkins. He writse a book called The God Dellusion, and >he converts to agnotism. I don't pretend to speak for anyone else. Nor does anyone else speak for me. > >Soon he'll be singing > >Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna >Krishna, Krishna, Hare, Hare >Hare Rama, Hare Rama >Rama, Rama, Hare, Hare > > >Did he shaved off his hair yet? Using an attempt at humor in place of a factual response is a common propaganda ploy. It's an attempt to hide what is missing. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 09:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55E1DC44.655B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #362187 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:08:37 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <55E09595.5BC9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:51:42 -0700, The Starmaker > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <55E0130E.359E@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their > >> >> >>> effort? > >> >> >> > >> >> >>I don't know. I only wish them luck. > >> >> > > >> >> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you > >> >> >have no idea if any of it is true or not. Then why bother even > >> >> >discussing it? > >> >> > >> >> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means > >> >ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others > >> >God exist....while atilla > >> >job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in his > >> >heart....he's seeking > >> >confirmation of God. > >> > >> I am not seeking confirmation of anything. I am showing those who > >> claim some kind of god exists have nothing to support that claim. So > >> far I have had complete success. > > > >Atheism is based on beliefs, not science, ...how do you confirm your > >belief God does not exist? > > > >I believe you believe God does not exist, nobody has a problem with your > >beliefs.. > > Apparently you are unable to understand a position that does not > include a belief. This is common among those who are conditioned into > blindly accepting superstition as being reality. > > > > >lots of people have beliefs that are wrong... > > > >atheist are one of those people. > > > > > >When are you people going to come up with an atheist bible? By the time > >an atheist writes one, they convert to another religion. > > No such document is necessary. > > > > >They become agnostic then hare krishnas. > > > > > >Look at Richard Dawkins. He writse a book called The God Dellusion, and > >he converts to agnotism. > > I don't pretend to speak for anyone else. You are the voice of the universe. It talks through you. You speak for someone else... do you know who that someone is?
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-28 11:04 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mroj06$2uc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #362014 |
On 2015-08-28 04:33 AM, Attila < wrote: > On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:36:22 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mrmlpq$6pf$3@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-27 04:46 AM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:44:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrkq9c$c1u$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-26 03:43 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is universal to all people. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It fits. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really >>>>>>>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and >>>>>>>>> dogshit dumb here, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking >>>>>>>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is nothing there. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for >>>>>> you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank >>>>>> wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can >>>>>> call themselves the Sages. >>>>> >>>>> In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired >>>>> results. >>>> >>>> I tend to give them the credit if their story is true and their effort >>>> is genuine. >>> >>> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their >>> effort? >> >> I don't know. I only wish them luck. > > So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you > have no idea if any of it is true or not. Then why bother even > discussing it? I don't have to judge them when I have no idea what they have accomplished, but I do understand their practice even though some of them themselves may not yet know and understand what exactly they are trying to do. I mentioned them just to help you better understand my own point.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-28 09:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fon0ua12n8km8a0mr274lgqpf78n9pjbih@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #362043 |
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:04:15 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mroj06$2uc$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their >>>> effort? >>> >>> I don't know. I only wish them luck. >> >> So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you >> have no idea if any of it is true or not. Then why bother even >> discussing it? > >I don't have to judge them when I have no idea what they have >accomplished, but I do understand their practice even though some of >them themselves may not yet know and understand what exactly they are >trying to do. I mentioned them just to help you better understand my own >point. I understand your point and reject it. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-29 11:29 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrr8rm$rul$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #362082 |
On 2015-08-28 09:16 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:04:15 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mroj06$2uc$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >>>>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their >>>>> effort? >>>> >>>> I don't know. I only wish them luck. >>> >>> So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you >>> have no idea if any of it is true or not. Then why bother even >>> discussing it? >> >> I don't have to judge them when I have no idea what they have >> accomplished, but I do understand their practice even though some of >> them themselves may not yet know and understand what exactly they are >> trying to do. I mentioned them just to help you better understand my own >> point. > > I understand your point and reject it. Really? Thanks anyway for spending time with me. :-)
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