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  What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-11 12:10 -0700
    Re: What is an Atheist? The Love of Christ <lovejesus.or die@yahoo.net> - 2015-07-11 15:23 -0400
      Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-11 14:49 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-11 16:50 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-12 05:49 -0700
        Re: What is an Atheist? Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-12 10:38 -0500
          Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-12 21:38 +0000
          Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-12 16:55 -0500
            Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-12 19:28 -0700
              Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-12 21:55 -0700
                Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-13 21:07 +0000
                  Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-13 18:53 -0700
                    Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-13 23:32 -0700
                      Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-14 09:09 -0500
                        Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-14 11:30 -0500
                          Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-14 12:25 -0500
                        Re: What is an Atheist? "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 10:39 -0700
                        Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-14 10:56 -0700
                          Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-14 19:29 +0000
                            Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-14 19:49 -0500
                              Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-15 09:56 -0500
                          Re: What is an Atheist? Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2015-07-14 18:20 -0400
                            Re: What is an Atheist? Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2015-07-15 10:11 +0100
                          Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-14 19:48 -0500
                            Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-14 18:54 -0700
                        Re: What is an Atheist? Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 08:51 +0000
                          Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-15 10:00 -0500
              Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-13 02:10 -0500
          Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-12 15:42 -0700
          Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-12 19:25 -0700
            Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-13 02:09 -0500
    Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-11 14:46 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-11 16:10 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-12 10:39 -0500
        Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-12 16:58 -0500
    Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-11 21:16 +0000
      Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-11 16:58 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-11 16:49 -0700
        Re: What is an Atheist? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-12 01:11 +0000
          Re: What is an Atheist? Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-11 20:43 -0500
            Re: What is an Atheist? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-12 02:21 +0000
              Re: What is an Atheist? Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-12 10:00 -0500
        Re: What is an Atheist? Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2015-07-12 11:23 +0100
          Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-12 07:50 -0500
          Re: What is an Atheist? Rockinghorse Winner <rhorse@sonic.net> - 2015-07-12 18:40 -0700
            Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-13 02:09 -0500
        Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-12 21:41 +0000
          Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-12 16:12 -0700
            Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-13 21:11 +0000
              Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-13 23:16 -0700
                Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-14 19:31 +0000
      Re: What is an Atheist? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-12 11:16 -0500
    Re: What is an Atheist? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-07-13 18:55 +1000
      Re: What is an Atheist? "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2015-07-13 04:18 -0700
        Re: What is an Atheist? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-07-14 16:10 +1000
          Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-14 01:37 -0500
          Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-14 01:22 -0700
          Re: What is an Atheist? Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2015-07-14 11:23 +0100
            Re: What is an Atheist? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-07-14 23:09 +1000
              Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-14 08:13 -0500
              Re: What is an Atheist? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-14 17:56 +0200
      Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-13 08:01 -0500
        Re: What is an Atheist? David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2015-07-13 22:04 -0700
          Re: What is an Atheist? Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2015-07-14 11:20 +0100
      Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-13 10:14 -0500
        Re: What is an Atheist? "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2015-07-13 13:33 -0700
          Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-13 16:02 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 14:18 -0400
        Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-13 16:03 -0500
          Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-13 18:54 -0700
      Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-13 12:05 -0700
        Re: What is an Atheist? Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2015-07-13 20:50 +0100
        Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-13 21:16 +0000
          Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-13 17:23 -0700
            Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-13 23:19 -0700
              Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-14 19:40 +0000

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#357089

Użytkownik "Sylvia Else"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:d0kfvuF9u85U1@mid.individual.net...

>>> "Sylvia Else" wrote in message news:d0hcn8Fg5lsU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>> An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but
>>>> feels no need to kill people who hold a different view.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> You apparently have not heard of the bloodshed of millions
>>> of theists by militant atheists during the times of the French
>>> revolution, Stalin, Mao Zedong and others. Yes it happened.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Psychopaths kill people. Some of them are atheists.
>
> Thank for admitting that some are not and therefore being
> atheist is irrrelevant to whether people are Psychopaths who
> kill or not
>

|Admitting?
|I think you've lost track of the context.

And I think You denied Yourself.
As usual.

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#356953

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:55:04 +1000, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

>An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to 
>kill people who hold a different view.
>
>Sylvia.

Yet another lying troll who imagines s/h/it knows what an atheist is,
better than atheists do themselves.

If s/h/it could think at all, s/h/it would understand that atheists
are outside any religious paradigm where gods. scriptures, etc don't
even apply - so they don't have anything to doubt.

Does this in-your-face moron even understand what message s/h/it sends
about believers when s/h/it is so in-your-face, nastily stupid?

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#357048

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:01:29 -0500 in alt.atheism, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote,
>On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:55:04 +1000, Sylvia Else
><sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>
>>An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to 
>>kill people who hold a different view.
>>
>>Sylvia.
>
>Yet another lying troll who imagines s/h/it knows what an atheist is,
>better than atheists do themselves.

  "If god (however you perceive him/her/it) told you to kill your child
-- would you do it?
  "If your answer is no, in my booklet you're an atheist.  There is
doubt in your mind.  Love and morality are more important to you than
your faith."
    -- Penn Jillette, _God, No!_

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#357067

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:04:27 -0700, David Harmon <source@netcom.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:01:29 -0500 in alt.atheism, Christopher A. Lee
><c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote,
>>On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:55:04 +1000, Sylvia Else
>><sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>
>>>An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to 
>>>kill people who hold a different view.
>>>
>>>Sylvia.
>>
>>Yet another lying troll who imagines s/h/it knows what an atheist is,
>>better than atheists do themselves.

Indeed

>  "If god (however you perceive him/her/it) told you to kill your child
>-- would you do it?

I know and you know that is not going to happen so your question
is hypothetical.

but if a god did tell  me to do that leaving me in no doubt he was a
god (whatever one of those is supposed to be) then obviously, given I
had clear evidence of its existence I would no longer be atheist from
that point onwards! (and probably self-deluded and need locking up
in a secure metal institution for being crminally insane and a danger 
of others)


>  "If your answer is no, in my booklet you're an atheist.  

If you told a god 'NO' knowing it was a god then you could not
possibly be atheist as you would then  be believing there was a god
to obey (and as I say probably stir crazy)

If a god wanted a child of mine killing I would ask it why it
needs me to do the dirty deed for it. 

Bear in mind that this (hypothetical) god might be testing your love
for your child and the only way to pass the test would be to defy it
and say no. Thus if you said 'no' to it, the god then might smile and
tell you 'well done' 


The only criterior for being atheist is whether you believe a god
exists or not. A person who hates a god obviously believes there is
a god to hate which makes that person theist not atheist

I cannot  hate that which I do not even believe exists!

You can rest assured that I will never kill, or even consider
killing another for any reason except to protect a life under
dire threat by another. For example some religious nut case wanting
to kill somebody because he thought some god told him to. Then
I would not hesistate if killing him was the only way to stop him

 Have i just been wasting my time again?  Will this theist take any
notice of what I said or will he just come back again (perhaps
under different names) with exactly the same stupidity and lies over
and over again? Well I can hope not can't I?  I can try can't I? As
they say hope springs eternal and if you never try you will never
succeed and a stitch in time save nine and for every cloud there is a
silverlining dar de dar de dar :-)


>There is
>doubt in your mind.  Love and morality are more important to you than
>your faith."
>    -- Penn Jillette, _God, No!_

That surely depends on what your faith is in but for sure you should
never rely on faith as being of any value


-- 
Les Hellawell
Greetings from YORKSHIRE
The White Rose County

"Faith must trample under foot all reason, 
sense, and understanding".

Martin Luther

This means that if Luther practised what
he preached nothing he ever said makes any sense




>

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#356965

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:55:04 +1000, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

>An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists,

That statement is not at all true, it should read 

An atheist is a person whom has no belief in any god and feels no need
to ............

Doubting something and knowing somethiing are completely different
things




>but feels no need to 
>kill people who hold a different view.
>
>Sylvia.

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#357015

<bilgat@m.nu> wrote in message news:57l7qahsbdql8hege4t5ourns6tjb6qcdj@4ax.com...
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>>An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists,
>
> That statement is not at all true, it should read
>
> An atheist is a person whom has no belief in any god and feels no need
> to ............
>
> Doubting something and knowing somethiing are completely different
> things

Are you saying that you KNOW?

Then please state clearly exactly
what you know.

Then please cite the solid evidence
that supports your claim. 

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#357018

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:33:58 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:

><bilgat@m.nu> wrote in message news:57l7qahsbdql8hege4t5ourns6tjb6qcdj@4ax.com...
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>
>>>An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists,
>>
>> That statement is not at all true, it should read
>>
>> An atheist is a person whom has no belief in any god and feels no need
>> to ............
>>
>> Doubting something and knowing somethiing are completely different
>> things
>
>Are you saying that you KNOW?

yup
>
>Then please state clearly exactly
>what you know.

that there is no god

>
>Then please cite the solid evidence
>that supports your claim. 
>

it is not my job to prove anything until you can prove there is a god

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#356988

On 07/13/2015 04:55 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to
> kill people who hold a different view.
>
> Sylvia.

Can't be many of those. Most Atheists are liberals and they are ALWAYS 
or killing people who disagree with their views. (Example call to kill 
climate change "deniers")

-- 

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   /::\~\:\__\   /::\~\:\  \   /:/|:|  |__  /\  /:/\/__/
  /:/\:\ \:|__| /:/\:\ \:\__\ /:/ |:| /\__\ \:\/:/  /
  \:\~\:\/:/  / \:\~\:\ \/__/ \/__|:|/:/  /  \::/  /
   \:\ \::/  /   \:\ \:\__\       |:/:/  /    \/__/
    \:\/:/  /     \:\ \/__/       |::/  /
     \::/__/       \:\__\         /:/  /
      ~~            \/__/         \/__/

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#357019

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:18:11 -0400, benj <none@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 07/13/2015 04:55 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to
>> kill people who hold a different view.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
>Can't be many of those. Most Atheists are liberals and they are ALWAYS 
>or killing people who disagree with their views. (Example call to kill 
>climate change "deniers")


sorrry dude you are confusing atheist with religon

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#357044

In article <nr98qa9d8o8r3lk2v4r4l83tqcqtcc8f63@4ax.com>, bilgat@m.nu 
wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:18:11 -0400, benj <none@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On 07/13/2015 04:55 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to
> >> kill people who hold a different view.
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> >
> >Can't be many of those. Most Atheists are liberals and they are ALWAYS 
> >or killing people who disagree with their views. (Example call to kill 
> >climate change "deniers")

<piggybacking>

What "call to kill climate change "deniers"" are you talking about?


> sorrry dude you are confusing atheist with religon

-- 

JD

Being open-minded is merely the willingness to consider
evidence, not the willingness to accept claims without any.

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#357001

Sylvia Else wrote:
> 
> An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to
> kill people who hold a different view.
> 
> Sylvia.


atheist have a need to kill people...they are just afraid God will punish them if they did kill people.

otherwise, why not kil...

getting away with Murder is easy...


don't let the words "Thou Shall Not Kill" bother you..

or join the army!

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#357009

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:05:18 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Sylvia Else wrote:
>> 
>> An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to
>> kill people who hold a different view.
>> 
>> Sylvia.

>
>atheist have a need to kill people...they are just afraid God will punish them if they did kill people.

If we were 'afraid of god' we would obviously be believing it exists
and therefore not atheist. 

Why don't you try thinking things through properly?

You would not embarrass your self with these kinds of gaffes then
before people you hate.

<snip>

-- 
Les Hellawell
Greetings from YORKSHIRE
The White Rose County

"Faith must trample under foot all reason, 
sense, and understanding".

Martin Luther

This means that if Luther practised what
he preached nothing he ever said makes any sense

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#357023

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:05:18 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> 
>> An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to
>> kill people who hold a different view.
>> 
>> Sylvia.
> 
> atheist have a need to kill people...they are just afraid God will
> punish them if they did kill people.

That would be the god we don't believe in. 
Are you afraid that the leprechauns will get you if you kill people?

> otherwise, why not kil...
> 
> getting away with Murder is easy...

You know that, how exactly?

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#357040

In article <mo19s8$h6m$4@speranza.aioe.org>, Smiler <smiler@jo.king> 
wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:05:18 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> 
> >> An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to
> >> kill people who hold a different view.
> >> 
> >> Sylvia.
> > 
> > atheist have a need to kill people...they are just afraid God will
> > punish them if they did kill people.
> 
> That would be the god we don't believe in. 
> Are you afraid that the leprechauns will get you if you kill people?
> 
> > otherwise, why not kil...

<piggybacking>

Empathy. Sorry that you don't seem to have any, sociopath.



> > getting away with Murder is easy...
> 
> You know that, how exactly?

-- 

JD

Being open-minded is merely the willingness to consider
evidence, not the willingness to accept claims without any.

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#357053

Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> 
> In article <mo19s8$h6m$4@speranza.aioe.org>, Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:05:18 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > > Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >>
> > >> An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no need to
> > >> kill people who hold a different view.
> > >>
> > >> Sylvia.
> > >
> > > atheist have a need to kill people...they are just afraid God will
> > > punish them if they did kill people.
> >
> > That would be the god we don't believe in.
> > Are you afraid that the leprechauns will get you if you kill people?
> >
> > > otherwise, why not kil...
> 
> <piggybacking>
> 
> Empathy. Sorry that you don't seem to have any, sociopath.
> 
> > > getting away with Murder is easy...
> >
> > You know that, how exactly?
> 


More than 211,000 homicides committed since 1980 remain unsolved – a
body count greater than the population of Des Moines, Iowa.


(not including the rest of the world...)

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#357117

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:19:06 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

> Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> 
>> In article <mo19s8$h6m$4@speranza.aioe.org>, Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:05:18 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >
>> > > Sylvia Else wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> An atheist is a person who doubts that God exists, but feels no
>> > >> need to kill people who hold a different view.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sylvia.
>> > >
>> > > atheist have a need to kill people...they are just afraid God will
>> > > punish them if they did kill people.
>> >
>> > That would be the god we don't believe in.
>> > Are you afraid that the leprechauns will get you if you kill people?

No answer?

>> > > otherwise, why not kil...
>> 
>> <piggybacking>
>> 
>> Empathy. Sorry that you don't seem to have any, sociopath.
>> 
>> > > getting away with Murder is easy...
>> >
>> > You know that, how exactly?
>> 
> More than 211,000 homicides committed since 1980 remain unsolved – a
> body count greater than the population of Des Moines, Iowa.
>
> (not including the rest of the world...)

What percentage of the total homicides is that?
Will they _all_ remain unsolved forever?

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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