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  Two Earths The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-11 11:57 -0700
    Re: Two Earths Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-11 16:01 -0500
    Re: Two Earths The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-12 15:46 -0700
      Re: Two Earths Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-12 21:34 -0500
        Re: Two Earths Mike Duffy <see_website@signature.block> - 2015-07-12 22:49 -0400
          Re: Two Earths benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 01:00 -0400
          Re: Two Earths Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-13 00:24 -0500
            Re: Two Earths Mike Duffy <see_website@signature.block> - 2015-07-13 11:07 -0400
        Re: Two Earths The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-12 21:51 -0700

#356756 — Two Earths

There is a reason why 
there is only one Earth
in our solar system..
if there were two
we would be
too occupied
with killing them all.

Or they would be
too occupied
with eating us all..
alive.

Or...

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#356778

On 7/11/2015 1:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> There is a reason why
> there is only one Earth
> in our solar system..
> if there were two
> we would be
> too occupied
> with killing them all.
>
> Or they would be
> too occupied
> with eating us all..
> alive.
>
> Or...
>

there is another identical Earth orbiting exactly opposite the sun, so 
we can not see it.

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#356912

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> There is a reason why
> there is only one Earth
> in our solar system..
> if there were two
> we would be
> too occupied
> with killing them all.
> 
> Or they would be
> too occupied
> with eating us all..
> alive.
> 
> Or...


If I was God, I could't think of a reason Why to have a second Earth.

There is simply no reason to.


Not only is there no good reason to have a second earth in our solar system...
but not in any other solar system...or anywhere else in the universe.



There is simply no good reason.


I cannot think of any...and I know better than the rest of yous.




The Starmaker

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#356923

On 7/12/2015 5:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> There is a reason why
>> there is only one Earth
>> in our solar system..
>> if there were two
>> we would be
>> too occupied
>> with killing them all.
>>
>> Or they would be
>> too occupied
>> with eating us all..
>> alive.
>>
>> Or...
>
>
> If I was God, I could't think of a reason Why to have a second Earth.
>
> There is simply no reason to.
>
>
> Not only is there no good reason to have a second earth in our solar system...
> but not in any other solar system...or anywhere else in the universe.
>
>
>
> There is simply no good reason.
>
>
> I cannot think of any...and I know better than the rest of yous.
>
>
> The Starmaker
>

well, you admit you are not a god, the real question is why did god put 
an exact duplicate Earth, exactly on the opposite side of the sun from us?

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#356925

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:34:40 -0500, Simoen wrote:

> well, you admit you are not a god, the real question is why did god put 
> an exact duplicate Earth, exactly on the opposite side of the sun from us?

It cannot be an exact duplicate of this Earth, because this one follows
well-established gravitational attraction laws regarding its orbital
positioning. 

Any planet exactly opposite our position would violate known gravitational
laws. (i.e. Kepler's etc.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler%27s_laws_of_planetary_motion

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#356935

On 07/12/2015 10:49 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:34:40 -0500, Simoen wrote:
>
>> well, you admit you are not a god, the real question is why did god put
>> an exact duplicate Earth, exactly on the opposite side of the sun from us?
>
> It cannot be an exact duplicate of this Earth, because this one follows
> well-established gravitational attraction laws regarding its orbital
> positioning.
>
> Any planet exactly opposite our position would violate known gravitational
> laws. (i.e. Kepler's etc.)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler%27s_laws_of_planetary_motion

HVAC believes that there is a duplicate Earth on the other side of the 
sun. Most writers believe that. It's simply plausible.

Anyway Kepler's Laws are no proof because they've never been proven 
valid for the solar system. Cripes.Nobody has ever been able to show 
even that the solar system is stable, using Kepler's laws!

In science if you believe something is true, that is sufficient proof 
that it IS true!


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#356936

On 7/12/2015 9:49 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:34:40 -0500, Simoen wrote:
>
>> well, you admit you are not a god, the real question is why did god put
>> an exact duplicate Earth, exactly on the opposite side of the sun from us?
>
> It cannot be an exact duplicate of this Earth, because this one follows
> well-established gravitational attraction laws regarding its orbital
> positioning.
>
> Any planet exactly opposite our position would violate known gravitational
> laws. (i.e. Kepler's etc.)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler%27s_laws_of_planetary_motion
>

keplers laws apply to two body systems,  the earth/sun/earth is

two, two body systems

not sure how that would really work out, probably not, go unstable and 
eventually earth 1 would wack earth 2.....

came from that movie

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#356964

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 00:24:26 -0500, Simoen wrote:

> Keplers laws apply to two body systems,  the earth/sun/earth is
> two, two body systems.
> 
> not sure how that would really work out,

You are correct. I mis-identified the appropriate "law". Newton's law (and
ultimately Einsteinian relativity) describe gravitation. As you point out,
Kepler's equations are only the restricted two-body description which
solves Newtonian gravity to yield a time-based prediction of a planetary
orbit.

Orbital perturbation theory is very complex. Orbital positions of three or
more bodies are impossible to solve analytically, but we can make
generalizations for how major orbital elements will evolve over time when
one object in the system (i.e. the Sun) is much more massive than the
planets, as is the case with the solar system.

Orbits of all planets are affected by other ones. But changes to orbital
elements will be much more pronounced in the smaller planets.

If there were a duplicate Earth exactly opposite us in our orbit, the time
humans have been observing planets would have been sufficient for its orbit
to be perturbed by Jupiter and Saturn to the point where we would be able
to see it by now.

-- 
http://pages.videotron.com/duffym/index.htm

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#356933

Simoen wrote:
> 
> On 7/12/2015 5:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a reason why
> >> there is only one Earth
> >> in our solar system..
> >> if there were two
> >> we would be
> >> too occupied
> >> with killing them all.
> >>
> >> Or they would be
> >> too occupied
> >> with eating us all..
> >> alive.
> >>
> >> Or...
> >
> >
> > If I was God, I could't think of a reason Why to have a second Earth.
> >
> > There is simply no reason to.
> >
> >
> > Not only is there no good reason to have a second earth in our solar system...
> > but not in any other solar system...or anywhere else in the universe.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is simply no good reason.
> >
> >
> > I cannot think of any...and I know better than the rest of yous.
> >
> >
> > The Starmaker
> >
> 
> well, you admit you are not a god, the real question is why did god put
> an exact duplicate Earth, exactly on the opposite side of the sun from us?

I didn't admit I'm not a god, ...i wrote: "If I was God".

Meaning, if I was God, the creator of Earth...

I din't create the earth as far as I can remember....


and I have no knowledge of any other earths....hiding.

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