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  What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-11 12:10 -0700
    Re: What is an Atheist? The Love of Christ <lovejesus.or die@yahoo.net> - 2015-07-11 15:23 -0400
      Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-11 14:49 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-11 16:50 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-12 05:49 -0700
        Re: What is an Atheist? Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-12 10:38 -0500
          Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-12 21:38 +0000
          Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-12 16:55 -0500
            Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-12 19:28 -0700
              Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-12 21:55 -0700
                Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-13 21:07 +0000
                  Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-13 18:53 -0700
                    Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-13 23:32 -0700
                      Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-14 09:09 -0500
                        Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-14 11:30 -0500
                          Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-14 12:25 -0500
                        Re: What is an Atheist? "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 10:39 -0700
                        Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-14 10:56 -0700
                          Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-14 19:29 +0000
                            Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-14 19:49 -0500
                              Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-15 09:56 -0500
                          Re: What is an Atheist? Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2015-07-14 18:20 -0400
                            Re: What is an Atheist? Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2015-07-15 10:11 +0100
                          Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-14 19:48 -0500
                            Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-14 18:54 -0700
                        Re: What is an Atheist? Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 08:51 +0000
                          Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-15 10:00 -0500
              Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-13 02:10 -0500
          Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-12 15:42 -0700
          Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-12 19:25 -0700
            Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-13 02:09 -0500
    Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-11 14:46 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-11 16:10 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-12 10:39 -0500
        Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-12 16:58 -0500
    Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-11 21:16 +0000
      Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-11 16:58 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-11 16:49 -0700
        Re: What is an Atheist? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-12 01:11 +0000
          Re: What is an Atheist? Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-11 20:43 -0500
            Re: What is an Atheist? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-12 02:21 +0000
              Re: What is an Atheist? Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-12 10:00 -0500
        Re: What is an Atheist? Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2015-07-12 11:23 +0100
          Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-12 07:50 -0500
          Re: What is an Atheist? Rockinghorse Winner <rhorse@sonic.net> - 2015-07-12 18:40 -0700
            Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-13 02:09 -0500
        Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-12 21:41 +0000
          Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-12 16:12 -0700
            Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-13 21:11 +0000
              Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-13 23:16 -0700
                Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-14 19:31 +0000
      Re: What is an Atheist? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-12 11:16 -0500
    Re: What is an Atheist? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-07-13 18:55 +1000
      Re: What is an Atheist? "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2015-07-13 04:18 -0700
        Re: What is an Atheist? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-07-14 16:10 +1000
          Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-14 01:37 -0500
          Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-14 01:22 -0700
          Re: What is an Atheist? Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2015-07-14 11:23 +0100
            Re: What is an Atheist? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-07-14 23:09 +1000
              Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-14 08:13 -0500
              Re: What is an Atheist? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-14 17:56 +0200
      Re: What is an Atheist? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-13 08:01 -0500
        Re: What is an Atheist? David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2015-07-13 22:04 -0700
          Re: What is an Atheist? Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2015-07-14 11:20 +0100
      Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-13 10:14 -0500
        Re: What is an Atheist? "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2015-07-13 13:33 -0700
          Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-13 16:02 -0500
      Re: What is an Atheist? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 14:18 -0400
        Re: What is an Atheist? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-13 16:03 -0500
          Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-13 18:54 -0700
      Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-13 12:05 -0700
        Re: What is an Atheist? Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2015-07-13 20:50 +0100
        Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-13 21:16 +0000
          Re: What is an Atheist? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-13 17:23 -0700
            Re: What is an Atheist? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-13 23:19 -0700
              Re: What is an Atheist? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-14 19:40 +0000

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#357197

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:49:35 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:29:48 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:56:21 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>>> bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:32:14 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In article <mo19am$h6m$2@speranza.aioe.org>, Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:55:21 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> In article <8ho5qa9inkskoaqr9lrqd01sldh091f0ke@4ax.com>,
>>>> >> > >> bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:38:14 -0500, Simoen
>>>> >> > >> > <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >On 7/12/2015 7:49 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>> >> > >> > >> In article <mnrqhk$9be$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
>>>> >> > >> > >>   The Love of Christ <lovejesus.or die@yahoo.net> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >>> The Starmaker said :
>>>> >> > >> > >>>> I don't mean what is the definition of atheism...
>>>> >> > >> > >>>> but what exactly is an Atheist person?
>>>> >> > >> > >>>>
>>>> >> > >> > >>> An Atheist is a Devil who refuses to accept Jesus Christ
>>>> >> > >> > >>> of Israel as their Savior.
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> Since nobody has ever provided any evidence that any such
>>>> >> > >> > >> person ever existed, why on earth would anybody accept him
>>>> >> > >> > >> as their savior?
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >can you provide any evidence you great great great
>>>> >> > >> > >grandfather ever existed ?
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > actually it is rather easy.... have you ever heard of
>>>> >> > >> > ancestory.com?
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> Not necessary, except to find out whether the triple-great
>>>> >> > >> grandfather was the one I thought it was. Obviously, one exists
>>>> >> > >> or I wouldn't be here.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> It was a stupid and transparent deflection to avoid answering
>>>> >> > >> my question.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> So, back to you, Simoen, Where's your evidence that any such
>>>> >> > >> person as Jesus ever existed? Try to answer this time. Another
>>>> >> > >> deflection attempt will be taken as a confession that you have
>>>> >> > >> no such evidence.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > > You mean to tell me you don't believe that evidence exist that
>>>> >> > > Jesus Christ existed?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What evidence?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > >  Sure the evidence exist that he existed...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What evidence?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I asked you what evidence you have. Why didn't you present the
>>>> >> evidence you claim to have instead of asking a silly question (if I
>>>> >> knew about the existence of any such evidence I wouldn't have to ask
>>>> >> you).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > What evidence would that be?
>>>> >> > Whenever it's asked for it disappears in a puff of 'holy' smoke.
>>>> >> > Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > but that doesn't mean the stories about him are all true.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > And that doesn't mean that _any_ of the stories about him are
>>>> >> > true.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Exactly. There's zero evidence outside the bible (which, of course,
>>>> >> it NOT evidence) that any such person ever existed.
>>>> >
>>>> >Are you insane?? Of course Jesus Christ existed! The evidence is
>>>> >overwhelming!!
>>>> 
>>>> Present it.
>>
>>Avoidance noted.
>
>you are the one avoiding the question. you are an idiot

My bad smiler I thought I was responding to the starfucker

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#357140

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:56:21 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

snip

>> >> What evidence?
>> >>
>> >> > >  Sure the evidence exist that he existed...
>> >>
>> >> What evidence?
>> >>
>> >> I asked you what evidence you have. Why didn't you present the evidence
>> >> you claim to have instead of asking a silly question (if I knew about
>> >> the existence of any such evidence I wouldn't have to ask you).
>> >>
>> >> > What evidence would that be?
>> >> > Whenever it's asked for it disappears in a puff of 'holy' smoke.
>> >> > Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
>> >> >
>> >> > > but that doesn't mean the stories about him are all true.
>> >> >
>> >> > And that doesn't mean that _any_ of the stories about him are true.
>> >>
>> >> Exactly. There's zero evidence outside the bible (which, of course, it
>> >> NOT evidence) that any such person ever existed.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Are you insane?? Of course Jesus Christ existed! The evidence is
>> >overwhelming!!

I would say it indicates it's "more likely," not that the evidence is
"overwhelming."

>> Present it.
>
>lots of guys wrote about jesus christ who had nothing to do with the
>bible.
>they just happen to be living at that time...among other famous people.
>and they all describe the same guy.
>
>You think everybody was lying about one guy? That don't make no sense.

No, they're just repeating what other people told them, which is not
the same thing as a lying.

>> >Don't tell me they crusified the wrong guy??
>> 
>> They crucified many many wrong people, but your "jesus christ" was
>> never put on a cross mainly because it is hard to nail the hands and
>> feet of a story on a cross
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >What do you think BC abd AD stand for in the calendar?
>> 
>> ad and bc mean no0thing as far as christ, not any more. 
>
>
>https://www.google.com/#q=define+b.c
>
>B.C. means Before Christ. 
>
>
>Do you know what A.D. stands for? It means After he fucking Died.

You should stick with the standard meaning for "AD."  If your version
were correct, we would have no term for the years that Jesus was
around.  

In your system, it would just be BC, then the time period that Jesus
lived, then AD.

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#357176

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:20:20 -0400, Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:56:21 -0700, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>snip
>
>>> >> What evidence?
>>> >>
>>> >> > >  Sure the evidence exist that he existed...
>>> >>
>>> >> What evidence?
>>> >>
>>> >> I asked you what evidence you have. Why didn't you present the evidence
>>> >> you claim to have instead of asking a silly question (if I knew about
>>> >> the existence of any such evidence I wouldn't have to ask you).
>>> >>
>>> >> > What evidence would that be?
>>> >> > Whenever it's asked for it disappears in a puff of 'holy' smoke.
>>> >> > Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > but that doesn't mean the stories about him are all true.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > And that doesn't mean that _any_ of the stories about him are true.
>>> >>
>>> >> Exactly. There's zero evidence outside the bible (which, of course, it
>>> >> NOT evidence) that any such person ever existed.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Are you insane?? Of course Jesus Christ existed! The evidence is
>>> >overwhelming!!
>
>I would say it indicates it's "more likely," not that the evidence is
>"overwhelming."

On the 'There is no smoke without fire" principle and there is indeed
evidence of harm being done?
>
>>> Present it.
>>
>>lots of guys wrote about jesus christ who had nothing to do with the
>>bible.
>>they just happen to be living at that time...among other famous people.
>>and they all describe the same guy.
>>
>>You think everybody was lying about one guy? That don't make no sense.

Well he have many stories about the legends of Robin Hood. His stick
fight on a bridge with John Little, the famous Friar Tuck Maid,
Marrion and the corrupt Shire Reeve of Nottingham. It has spawned TV
series and films but a search by a popular historian found absolutely
no evidence of his existence. An extensive search of parish births a
death records revealed but a few referencet o a 'Robin' but that was
it. It is thought that he was an amalgam of people who evaded justice
and were outlawed. Nottingham claims to be his home whilst
there is also a strong claim by Kirkless in Yorkshire to be his home.
It is where his alleged grave is, near to Kirkless Abbey (now no
longer extant) from where he shot his last arrow. The grave is on
private land deep in what is left of Kirkless forest. 

There is more evidence of the famous Shire Reeve which was a good
example of the old adage that power corrupts absolutely. The office of
Shire Reeve was created by an early King seeking to establish the
King's Peace throughout his realm. The County Shire Reeve (Sheriff in
modern spelling) was, in effect the King  in matters of law and
justice in his juris diction and answered only to he King. Fine when
the King was attentive to his duties but being a law until themselves
when the King was lax they became very corrupt. Instead of the office
being abolished the Shire Reeve was increasing sidelined. We still
have Sheriffs but they are now just High Court officials working under
the authority of a High court Judge

>
>No, they're just repeating what other people told them, which is not
>the same thing as a lying.
>
>>> >Don't tell me they crusified the wrong guy??
>>> 
>>> They crucified many many wrong people, but your "jesus christ" was
>>> never put on a cross mainly because it is hard to nail the hands and
>>> feet of a story on a cross

Nails were very expensive during the Roman period as well as hand made
so were very expensive and rare.

Would they really have used such expensive things to kill what  to
the Romans was just a petty criminal when tying people to the cross
was more commonplace and much cheaper?

To those early Christians as now their Christ would have been central
to their lives and very important. As we know Christians like to
project their thoughts on to eveybody else so to these Christians they
could not possibly conceive of their Christ as being totally
unimportant  to the Romans. Yes they admit he was killed alongside
two petty criminals as one of them but, they probably rationalised,
that the Romans only wanted him to appear a petty criminal (rather
than actually being considered as such). Only nails would
be good enough for such an important person so nails he must have
got 

As an example of their thinking have you noted that in depictions
of the crucifiction Jesus is always  shown in the centre between the
other two sometimes on a cross a little bit taller  than the other and
right on the summit of a hill.

Mantegna shows him nailed with his arms spread whilst the other
two are tied with their arms above their heads.  The great Giotto's
fresco has the three on very high posts Christ's being the highest.
UFO's are flying around them and one soldier has an incredibly long
lance to prod him with and he is sat on a horse! 
(see Google)




>>> >
>>> >
>>> >What do you think BC abd AD stand for in the calendar?

They are obsolete  terms which have now been replaced with 'Common
Era'

Please try and keep up

<time flies>

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#357155

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:56:21 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:32:14 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <mo19am$h6m$2@speranza.aioe.org>, Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:55:21 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> In article <8ho5qa9inkskoaqr9lrqd01sldh091f0ke@4ax.com>, bilgat@m.nu
>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:38:14 -0500, Simoen <invalid@invalid.com>
>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > >On 7/12/2015 7:49 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> >> > >> > >> In article <mnrqhk$9be$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
>> >> > >> > >>   The Love of Christ <lovejesus.or die@yahoo.net> wrote:
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >>> The Starmaker said :
>> >> > >> > >>>> I don't mean what is the definition of atheism...
>> >> > >> > >>>> but what exactly is an Atheist person?
>> >> > >> > >>>>
>> >> > >> > >>> An Atheist is a Devil who refuses to accept Jesus Christ of
>> >> > >> > >>> Israel as their Savior.
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >> Since nobody has ever provided any evidence that any such person
>> >> > >> > >> ever existed, why on earth would anybody accept him as their
>> >> > >> > >> savior?
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >can you provide any evidence you great great great grandfather ever
>> >> > >> > >existed ?
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > actually it is rather easy.... have you ever heard of ancestory.com?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Not necessary, except to find out whether the triple-great grandfather
>> >> > >> was the one I thought it was. Obviously, one exists or I wouldn't be
>> >> > >> here.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> It was a stupid and transparent deflection to avoid answering my
>> >> > >> question.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> So, back to you, Simoen, Where's your evidence that any such person as
>> >> > >> Jesus ever existed? Try to answer this time. Another deflection attempt
>> >> > >> will be taken as a confession that you have no such evidence.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > > You mean to tell me you don't believe that evidence exist that Jesus
>> >> > > Christ existed?
>> >>
>> >> What evidence?
>> >>
>> >> > >  Sure the evidence exist that he existed...
>> >>
>> >> What evidence?
>> >>
>> >> I asked you what evidence you have. Why didn't you present the evidence
>> >> you claim to have instead of asking a silly question (if I knew about
>> >> the existence of any such evidence I wouldn't have to ask you).
>> >>
>> >> > What evidence would that be?
>> >> > Whenever it's asked for it disappears in a puff of 'holy' smoke.
>> >> > Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
>> >> >
>> >> > > but that doesn't mean the stories about him are all true.
>> >> >
>> >> > And that doesn't mean that _any_ of the stories about him are true.
>> >>
>> >> Exactly. There's zero evidence outside the bible (which, of course, it
>> >> NOT evidence) that any such person ever existed.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Are you insane?? Of course Jesus Christ existed! The evidence is
>> >overwhelming!!
>> 
>> Present it.
>
>lots of guys wrote about jesus christ who had nothing to do with the
>bible.
>they just happen to be living at that time...among other famous people.
>and they all describe the same guy.
>
>You think everybody was lying about one guy? That don't make no sense.
>

Noone wrote about "jesus christ" other than what fairy tales are in
the bible..... Noone


>
>
>> 
>> >
>> >Don't tell me they crusified the wrong guy??
>> 
>> They crucified many many wrong people, but your "jesus christ" was
>> never put on a cross mainly because it is hard to nail the hands and
>> feet of a story on a cross
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >What do you think BC abd AD stand for in the calendar?
>> 
>> ad and bc mean no0thing as far as christ, not any more. 
>
>
>https://www.google.com/#q=define+b.c
>
>B.C. means Before Christ. 


it also means before common era


>
>
>Do you know what A.D. stands for? It means After he fucking Died.


>
>
>Now go back to skool and learn you abcd's...

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#357160

In article <97bbqa1sdtpa5vtp6bavet63vkmho3n6lm@4ax.com>, bilgat@m.nu 
wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:56:21 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >bilgat@m.nu wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:32:14 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In article <mo19am$h6m$2@speranza.aioe.org>, Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:55:21 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> In article <8ho5qa9inkskoaqr9lrqd01sldh091f0ke@4ax.com>, 
> >> >> > >> bilgat@m.nu
> >> >> > >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:38:14 -0500, Simoen <invalid@invalid.com>
> >> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > >On 7/12/2015 7:49 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >> >> > >> > >> In article <mnrqhk$9be$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
> >> >> > >> > >>   The Love of Christ <lovejesus.or die@yahoo.net> wrote:
> >> >> > >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > >>> The Starmaker said :
> >> >> > >> > >>>> I don't mean what is the definition of atheism...
> >> >> > >> > >>>> but what exactly is an Atheist person?
> >> >> > >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >> > >>> An Atheist is a Devil who refuses to accept Jesus Christ of
> >> >> > >> > >>> Israel as their Savior.
> >> >> > >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > >> Since nobody has ever provided any evidence that any such 
> >> >> > >> > >> person
> >> >> > >> > >> ever existed, why on earth would anybody accept him as their
> >> >> > >> > >> savior?
> >> >> > >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > >can you provide any evidence you great great great grandfather 
> >> >> > >> > >ever
> >> >> > >> > >existed ?
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > actually it is rather easy.... have you ever heard of 
> >> >> > >> > ancestory.com?
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Not necessary, except to find out whether the triple-great 
> >> >> > >> grandfather
> >> >> > >> was the one I thought it was. Obviously, one exists or I wouldn't 
> >> >> > >> be
> >> >> > >> here.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> It was a stupid and transparent deflection to avoid answering my
> >> >> > >> question.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> So, back to you, Simoen, Where's your evidence that any such 
> >> >> > >> person as
> >> >> > >> Jesus ever existed? Try to answer this time. Another deflection 
> >> >> > >> attempt
> >> >> > >> will be taken as a confession that you have no such evidence.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > > You mean to tell me you don't believe that evidence exist that 
> >> >> > > Jesus
> >> >> > > Christ existed?
> >> >>
> >> >> What evidence?
> >> >>
> >> >> > >  Sure the evidence exist that he existed...
> >> >>
> >> >> What evidence?
> >> >>
> >> >> I asked you what evidence you have. Why didn't you present the evidence
> >> >> you claim to have instead of asking a silly question (if I knew about
> >> >> the existence of any such evidence I wouldn't have to ask you).
> >> >>
> >> >> > What evidence would that be?
> >> >> > Whenever it's asked for it disappears in a puff of 'holy' smoke.
> >> >> > Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > but that doesn't mean the stories about him are all true.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And that doesn't mean that _any_ of the stories about him are true.
> >> >>
> >> >> Exactly. There's zero evidence outside the bible (which, of course, it
> >> >> NOT evidence) that any such person ever existed.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Are you insane?? Of course Jesus Christ existed! The evidence is
> >> >overwhelming!!
> >> 
> >> Present it.
> >
> >lots of guys wrote about jesus christ who had nothing to do with the
> >bible.
> >they just happen to be living at that time...among other famous people.
> >and they all describe the same guy.
> >
> >You think everybody was lying about one guy? That don't make no sense.
> >
> 
> Noone wrote about "jesus christ" other than what fairy tales are in
> the bible..... Noone
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >> 
> >> >
> >> >Don't tell me they crusified the wrong guy??
> >> 
> >> They crucified many many wrong people, but your "jesus christ" was
> >> never put on a cross mainly because it is hard to nail the hands and
> >> feet of a story on a cross
> >> 
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >What do you think BC abd AD stand for in the calendar?
> >> 
> >> ad and bc mean no0thing as far as christ, not any more. 
> >
> >
> >https://www.google.com/#q=define+b.c
> >
> >B.C. means Before Christ. 
> 
> 
> it also means before common era


Which is how we now issue dates--B.C.E. and C.E.

-- 

JD

Being open-minded is merely the willingness to consider
evidence, not the willingness to accept claims without any.

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#357175

In <3h5aqaljdc6uoc6g6ahnnmgo733tucduia@4ax.com>, bilgat@m.nu wrote:

> Your jesus
> feller was supossed to be hace been strung up on 0 bc but it was much
> closer to 6 bc. so you see the idiots that wrote the stories could not
> even get that crap right

Really?

"This calendar era is based on the traditionally reckoned year of the 
conception or birth of Jesus of Nazareth, with AD counting years from 
the start of this epoch, and BC denoting years before the start of the era."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini

Oopsies.

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#357200

On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:51:02 GMT, Kadaitcha Man
<nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

>In <3h5aqaljdc6uoc6g6ahnnmgo733tucduia@4ax.com>, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>
>> Your jesus
>> feller was supossed to be hace been strung up on 0 bc but it was much
>> closer to 6 bc. so you see the idiots that wrote the stories could not
>> even get that crap right
>
>Really?
>
>"This calendar era is based on the traditionally reckoned year of the 
>conception or birth of Jesus of Nazareth, with AD counting years from 
>the start of this epoch, and BC denoting years before the start of the era."
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini
>
>Oopsies.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said

Oopsie

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#356943

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:28:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <8ho5qa9inkskoaqr9lrqd01sldh091f0ke@4ax.com>, bilgat@m.nu 
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:38:14 -0500, Simoen <invalid@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 7/12/2015 7:49 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> >> In article <mnrqhk$9be$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
>> >>   The Love of Christ <lovejesus.or die@yahoo.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The Starmaker said :
>> >>>> I don't mean
>> >>>> what is the definition
>> >>>> of atheism...
>> >>>> but what exactly is
>> >>>> an Atheist person?
>> >>>>
>> >>> An Atheist is a Devil who refuses to accept Jesus Christ of Israel as
>> >>> their Savior.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Since nobody has ever provided any evidence that any such person ever
>> >> existed, why on earth would anybody accept him as their savior?
>> >>
>> >
>> >can you provide any evidence you great great great grandfather ever 
>> >existed ?
>> 
>> 
>> actually it is rather easy.... have you ever heard of ancestory.com?
>
>Not necessary, except to find out whether the triple-great grandfather 
>was the one I thought it was. Obviously, one exists or I wouldn't be 
>here.
>
>It was a stupid and transparent deflection to avoid answering my 
>question.
>
>So, back to you, Simoen, Where's your evidence that any such person as 
>Jesus ever existed? Try to answer this time. Another deflection attempt 
>will be taken as a confession that you have no such evidence.

Too late. He already tacitly admitted it.

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#356911

Simoen wrote:
> 
> On 7/12/2015 7:49 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > In article <mnrqhk$9be$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
> >   The Love of Christ <lovejesus.or die@yahoo.net> wrote:
> >
> >> The Starmaker said :
> >>> I don't mean
> >>> what is the definition
> >>> of atheism...
> >>> but what exactly is
> >>> an Atheist person?
> >>>
> >> An Atheist is a Devil who refuses to accept Jesus Christ of Israel as
> >> their Savior.
> >
> >
> > Since nobody has ever provided any evidence that any such person ever
> > existed, why on earth would anybody accept him as their savior?
> >
> 
> can you provide any evidence you great great great grandfather ever
> existed ?


Everybody today on earth has an ...ancestor. Everybody!

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#356921

In article <mnu1l5$hsj$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
 Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 7/12/2015 7:49 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > In article <mnrqhk$9be$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
> >   The Love of Christ <lovejesus.or die@yahoo.net> wrote:
> >
> >> The Starmaker said :
> >>> I don't mean
> >>> what is the definition
> >>> of atheism...
> >>> but what exactly is
> >>> an Atheist person?
> >>>
> >> An Atheist is a Devil who refuses to accept Jesus Christ of Israel as
> >> their Savior.
> >
> >
> > Since nobody has ever provided any evidence that any such person ever
> > existed, why on earth would anybody accept him as their savior?
> >
> 
> can you provide any evidence you great great great grandfather ever 
> existed ?


Yep. I'm here. The perfect evidence that my great great great 
grandfather existed.

-- 

JD

Being open-minded is merely the willingness to consider
evidence, not the willingness to accept claims without any.

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#356942

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:25:15 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <mnu1l5$hsj$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/12/2015 7:49 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> > In article <mnrqhk$9be$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
>> >   The Love of Christ <lovejesus.or die@yahoo.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The Starmaker said :
>> >>> I don't mean
>> >>> what is the definition
>> >>> of atheism...
>> >>> but what exactly is
>> >>> an Atheist person?
>> >>>
>> >> An Atheist is a Devil who refuses to accept Jesus Christ of Israel as
>> >> their Savior.
>> >
>> >
>> > Since nobody has ever provided any evidence that any such person ever
>> > existed, why on earth would anybody accept him as their savior?
>> >
>> 
>> can you provide any evidence you great great great grandfather ever 
>> existed ?
>
>
>Yep. I'm here. The perfect evidence that my great great great 
>grandfather existed.

It was just being deliberately stupid.

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#356765

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:58 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>I don't mean
>what is the definition
>of atheism...
>but what exactly is
>an Atheist person?
>
>From observation..
>it's a person
>obbsessed with...God.

For real tell me, are you really this stupid or are you being a troll?
Please remove alt atheism from you posting list. Atheists dont ever
think about god until some troll or nitwit like you brings it up,
moron.

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#356779

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:46:34 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:58 -0700, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't mean
>>what is the definition
>>of atheism...
>>but what exactly is
>>an Atheist person?

Somebody who isn't any kind of theist, imbecile.

>>From observation..
>>it's a person
>>obbsessed with...God.

A deliberately nasty lie.

>For real tell me, are you really this stupid or are you being a troll?

Yes, to both.

>Please remove alt atheism from you posting list. Atheists dont ever
>think about god until some troll or nitwit like you brings it up,
>moron.

The issue atheists face is theists themselves, not the putative
existence of what is not substantively different from hundreds of
other deity-belief objects.

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#356874

On 7/11/2015 2:46 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:58 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't mean
>> what is the definition
>> of atheism...
>> but what exactly is
>> an Atheist person?
>>
>>From observation..
>> it's a person
>> obbsessed with...God.
>
> For real tell me, are you really this stupid or are you being a troll?
> Please remove alt atheism from you posting list. Atheists dont ever
> think about god


wrong-o, they are always thing about it, as they define themselves as 
not-god-R-US

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#356909

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:39:36 -0500, Simoen <invalid@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 7/11/2015 2:46 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:58 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't mean
>>> what is the definition
>>> of atheism...
>>> but what exactly is
>>> an Atheist person?
>>>
>>>From observation..
>>> it's a person
>>> obbsessed with...God.
>>
>> For real tell me, are you really this stupid or are you being a troll?
>> Please remove alt atheism from you posting list. Atheists dont ever
>> think about god
>
>
>wrong-o, they are always thing about it, as they define themselves as 
>not-god-R-US


lamed dude really lame

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#356780

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:58 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

> I don't mean what is the definition of atheism...
> but what exactly is an Atheist person?
> 
> From observation..
> it's a person obbsessed with...God.
> 
> Fact is,
> Atheist think more about God than religious people do.
> 
> Most religious people don't think about God because they are already at
> peace with their God.
> 
> Atheist spend most of their life at war with their God..
> they are simply people who are not at peace with the God inside them.
> 
> It's a constant war.
> 
> Will they ever find peace?

What god would that be? You have yet to show any evidence for such a being.
Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#356782

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:58 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>
>> I don't mean what is the definition of atheism...
>> but what exactly is an Atheist person?
>> 
>> From observation..
>> it's a person obbsessed with...God.
>> 
>> Fact is,
>> Atheist think more about God than religious people do.

Liar.

Atheists don't even give it a thought until some sociop[athic
Christian who is totally devoid of commonsense and courtesy brings up
the subject.
 
>> Most religious people don't think about God because they are already at
>> peace with their God.
>> 
>> Atheist spend most of their life at war with their God..

Liar.

They'd have to believe in it to do that.

>> they are simply people who are not at peace with the God inside them.

Liar.

We're more at peace than most theists, because they're the ones scared
of being tortured for all eternity - or we would be, if theists could
only live and let live.
 
>> It's a constant war.

Liar.
 
>> Will they ever find peace?

When psychopaths like this one learn to live and let live.

>What god would that be? You have yet to show any evidence for such a being.
>Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.

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#356790

Smiler wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:58 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > I don't mean what is the definition of atheism...
> > but what exactly is an Atheist person?
> >
> > From observation..
> > it's a person obbsessed with...God.
> >
> > Fact is,
> > Atheist think more about God than religious people do.
> >
> > Most religious people don't think about God because they are already at
> > peace with their God.
> >
> > Atheist spend most of their life at war with their God..
> > they are simply people who are not at peace with the God inside them.
> >
> > It's a constant war.
> >
> > Will they ever find peace?
> 
> What god would that be? You have yet to show any evidence for such a being.
> Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.


When yous say "Oh My God!", what god would that be?

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#356795

In sci.physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Smiler wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:58 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>> 
>> > I don't mean what is the definition of atheism...
>> > but what exactly is an Atheist person?
>> >
>> > From observation..
>> > it's a person obbsessed with...God.
>> >
>> > Fact is,
>> > Atheist think more about God than religious people do.
>> >
>> > Most religious people don't think about God because they are already at
>> > peace with their God.
>> >
>> > Atheist spend most of their life at war with their God..
>> > they are simply people who are not at peace with the God inside them.
>> >
>> > It's a constant war.
>> >
>> > Will they ever find peace?
>> 
>> What god would that be? You have yet to show any evidence for such a being.
>> Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
> 
> 
> When yous say "Oh My God!", what god would that be?

When you say "Holy Shit!", which shit would that be?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#356797

On 7/11/2015 8:11 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Smiler wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:10:58 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't mean what is the definition of atheism...
>>>> but what exactly is an Atheist person?
>>>>
>>>>  From observation..
>>>> it's a person obbsessed with...God.

>>>> Fact is,
>>>> Atheist think more about God than religious people do.
>>>>
>>>> Most religious people don't think about God because they are already at
>>>> peace with their God.
>>>>
>>>> Atheist spend most of their life at war with their God..
>>>> they are simply people who are not at peace with the God inside them.
>>>>
>>>> It's a constant war.

>>>> Will they ever find peace?
>>>
>>> What god would that be? You have yet to show any evidence for such a being.
>>> Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
>>
>>
>> When yous say "Oh My God!", what god would that be?
>
> When you say "Holy Shit!", which shit would that be?
>
>

      It has been Blessed by the Lord.

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