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Faster than the speed of light

Started byOmar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com>
First post2015-11-28 04:36 -0800
Last post2015-12-21 16:41 -0800
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  Faster than the speed of light Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> - 2015-11-28 04:36 -0800
    Re: Faster than the speed of light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-28 07:09 -0800
    Re: Faster than the speed of light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-28 07:41 -0800
      Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 05:35 -0800
      Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-02 05:13 -0600
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-02 22:47 +1100
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-04 09:31 -0600
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-05 14:09 +1100
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-06 09:42 -0600
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-07 10:57 +1100
                  Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-16 11:08 -0600
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-02 03:55 -0800
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-04 09:35 -0600
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-04 09:43 -0800
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-06 10:03 -0600
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-05 14:13 +1100
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-06 10:07 -0600
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-02 10:40 -0600
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-02 17:43 +0000
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-04 09:39 -0600
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-04 12:50 -0600
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-12-06 10:28 -0600
          Re: Faster than the speed of light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-04 09:38 -0800
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-04 12:53 -0600
              Re: Faster than the speed of light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-05 01:55 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-05 11:49 +0100
                  Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-05 18:06 -0800
                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-06 10:25 +0100
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-06 08:41 -0600
                  Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-06 07:45 -0800
                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-07 11:06 +1100
                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-07 13:22 -0600
                      Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-07 15:04 -0800
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-07 15:10 -0800
                      Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 17:08 -0800
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-09 12:13 +1100
                          Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 18:35 -0800
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 19:41 -0800
                          Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 18:07 -0800
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-09 15:08 +1100
                          Re: Faster than the speed of light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-09 03:43 -0800
                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-09 13:02 -0600
                              Re: Faster than the speed of light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-09 11:18 -0800
                                Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-09 15:25 -0600
                                  Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 14:27 -0800
                                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 22:41 +0000
                                      Re: Faster than the speed of light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 18:04 -0800
                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 15:34 +0000
                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 19:21 -0800
                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-11 23:17 +0000
                                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-10 00:14 -0600
                                      Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 23:58 -0800
                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 15:33 +0000
                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-10 11:39 -0600
                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 18:31 +0000
                                    Re: Faster than the speed of light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-10 15:49 -0800
                                      Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 16:41 -0800
                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-10 22:50 -0600
                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-11 04:07 -0800
                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-11 23:37 +0000
                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-11 20:05 -0600
                                              Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-11 18:18 -0800
                                              Re: Faster than the speed of light Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-12 09:55 +0100
                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 05:43 -0800
                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-11 20:24 -0600
                                              Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-11 18:39 -0800
                                                Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-11 18:54 -0800
                                              Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 02:22 -0800
                                                Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-12 12:00 -0600
                                                  Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 11:56 -0800
                                                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-12 17:25 -0600
                                                      Re: Faster than the speed of light Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-13 01:15 +0100
                                                      Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-13 00:19 +0000
                                                      Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-12 17:24 -0800
                                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-13 18:49 -0800
                                                      Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 18:20 -0800
                                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-13 14:58 +1100
                                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 20:24 -0800
                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-12 14:00 +1100
                                              Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 02:48 -0800
                                                Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-12 22:38 +1100
                                                  Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 09:25 -0800
                                                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-13 13:12 +1100
                                                      Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 20:08 -0800
                                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-13 16:01 +1100
                                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 05:34 -0800
                                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light alsor@interia.pl - 2015-12-13 06:53 -0800
                                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-13 18:58 -0600
                                                              Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 21:02 -0800
                                                                Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-15 18:42 -0600
                                                                  Re: Faster than the speed of light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-12-15 23:33 -0800
                                                                  Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-19 17:03 -0800
                                                                    Re: Faster than the speed of light David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-20 06:55 -0800
                                                                      Re: Faster than the speed of light alsor@interia.pl - 2015-12-20 08:50 -0800
                                                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-20 11:19 -0800
                                                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 23:10 -0800
                                                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light alsor@interia.pl - 2015-12-24 12:09 -0800
                                                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 21:55 -0800
                                                                              Re: Faster than the speed of light alsor@interia.pl - 2015-12-26 10:28 -0800
                                                                                Re: Faster than the speed of light Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 00:03 -0800
                                                                  Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 09:32 -0800
                                                                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-25 19:43 +1100
                                                                      Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 03:21 -0800
                                                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-14 22:38 +1100
                                                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 04:08 -0800
                                                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-15 11:13 +1100
                                                Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-12 12:03 -0600
                                                  Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-12 17:15 -0800
                                                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-13 13:14 +1100
                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 13:57 -0800
                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-11 23:42 +0000
                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-13 12:15 -0600
                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-11 23:29 +0000
                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 15:32 -0800
                                              Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-11 23:47 +0000
                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-11 23:34 +0000
                                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-11 20:21 -0600
                                              Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-12 16:31 +0000
                                          Re: Faster than the speed of light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-12 00:52 -0800
                                        Re: Faster than the speed of light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-11 00:11 -0800
                                  Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-12 16:59 +0000
                              Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-09 13:30 -0600
                                Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 14:12 -0800
                              Re: Faster than the speed of light Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 22:32 +0000
                            Re: Faster than the speed of light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-10 15:37 -0800
                              Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-13 12:50 -0600
                          Re: Faster than the speed of light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 18:10 -0800
                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-11 16:35 +1100
                    Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-07 14:53 -0800
                      Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-08 12:22 +1100
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-07 18:47 -0800
                          Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-08 15:33 +1100
                            Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-07 21:43 -0800
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-07 19:40 -0800
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-10 00:27 -0600
                  Re: Faster than the speed of light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 12:58 -0800
    Re: Faster than the speed of light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-11-28 07:56 -0800
    Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-11-29 15:50 +1100
      Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-11-30 16:21 +0000
        Re: Faster than the speed of light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 08:40 -0800
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-11-30 16:55 +0000
            Re: Faster than the speed of light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 09:28 -0800
              Re: Faster than the speed of light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 09:31 -0800
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-30 12:14 -0600
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-11-30 18:25 +0000
            Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-30 21:23 -0800
              Re: Faster than the speed of light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 21:50 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-30 22:20 -0800
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-01 17:38 +1100
                Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-30 22:50 -0800
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-01 11:02 -0600
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-01 17:40 +1100
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-01 07:44 +0100
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-01 19:54 +0000
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-30 11:51 -0600
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-11-30 18:03 +0000
      Re: Faster than the speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-01 07:41 +0100
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-01 19:11 +1100
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-01 22:42 +0100
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-02 10:20 +1100
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-01 23:32 +0000
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-02 00:53 +0100
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-02 00:03 +0000
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-02 11:14 +1100
                  Re: Faster than the speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-02 02:03 +0100
                    Re: Faster than the speed of light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 19:33 -0800
                      Re: Faster than the speed of light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 10:34 -0800
                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-02 22:49 +1100
                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-02 10:21 -0600
                      Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-02 17:30 +0000
                    Re: Faster than the speed of light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-03 09:21 -0800
                      Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-04 10:00 +1100
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 17:34 -0600
                          Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-03 16:04 -0800
                          Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-04 09:00 -0600
                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-05 14:03 +1100
                              Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-05 22:50 -0600
                                Re: Faster than the speed of light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 12:29 -0800
                            Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-04 20:07 -0800
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-01 11:14 -0600
          Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-02 05:46 -0800
            Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-02 08:26 -0800
              Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-02 09:38 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-02 17:45 +0000
                  Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-02 20:10 -0800
                    Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-03 05:58 -0800
                      Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-03 17:11 -0800
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-03 17:25 -0800
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-02 10:43 -0600
              Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-03 08:43 -0800
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-03 16:56 +0000
                Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 12:41 -0600
                  Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-03 13:29 -0800
                    Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 16:30 -0600
                      Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-04 11:56 -0800
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 16:52 -0600
                          Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-07 05:58 -0800
                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-07 08:34 -0600
                        Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-04 18:04 -0600
                          Re: Faster than the speed of light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-07 06:20 -0800
                            Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-07 08:35 -0600
        Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 11:52 -0800
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-01 22:44 +0100
            Re: Faster than the speed of light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 14:04 -0800
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-01 23:54 +0100
    Re: Faster than the speed of light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-30 11:32 -0600
      Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-11-30 18:49 +0000
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 20:15 +0100
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-11-30 19:22 +0000
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:51 +0100
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-01 19:45 +0000
            Re: Faster than the speed of light Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:55 +0100
              Re: Faster than the speed of light Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-01 19:48 +0000
    Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:16 -0600
    Re: Faster than the speed of light Adrian Ferent <adrferent@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 10:20 -0800
      Re: Faster than the speed of light fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-12-02 12:11 -0800
    Re: Faster than the speed of light Adrian Ferent <adrferent@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 13:45 -0800
      Re: Faster than the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 16:55 -0600
        Re: Faster than the speed of light Ezra Farrow <ezrafa@dubtechno.org> - 2015-12-21 23:15 +0000
          Re: Faster than the speed of light Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-22 12:16 +1100
            Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-21 17:48 -0800
        Re: Faster than the speed of light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-21 16:41 -0800

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#371146

FromCarl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org>
Date2015-11-30 16:55 +0000
Message-ID<n3hv2c$h46$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#371144
суббота., Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:40:48 -0800 пользователь Ross A. Finlayson
написал:

>> Not so. It's about everywhere you have a field. Ie gravity,
>> electrostatic etc. All action at distance.
> 
> The idea is that there's a mechanism, "spooky" is Einstein's name for
> "non-causal information propagated at greater than c", with the idea
> that "entanglement"
> may have tachyonic structure, with gravity being "faster" than c, but
> where no thing moves that fast so information does not.

The archaic dogma that information must travel at c or slower is abolished 
nowadays. Since information transfer does not always requires a carrier or 
a medium.

> The correlation of particles (as structurally some "wave")
> over extended distances is not the same as a "laser beam at 2c".

There are correlations in time and correlations is space, as well as 
autocorrelations. A correlation in space is time independent for instance. 
Hence, it might be embedded into the system at the start of the experiment.

Many people can't sense this difference.

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#371148

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-30 09:28 -0800
Message-ID<b5e649d4-d61d-40f5-9d99-49568adf9563@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#371146
On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:55:53 AM UTC-8, Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:
> суббота., Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:40:48 -0800 пользователь Ross A. Finlayson
> написал:
> 
> >> Not so. It's about everywhere you have a field. Ie gravity,
> >> electrostatic etc. All action at distance.
> > 
> > The idea is that there's a mechanism, "spooky" is Einstein's name for
> > "non-causal information propagated at greater than c", with the idea
> > that "entanglement"
> > may have tachyonic structure, with gravity being "faster" than c, but
> > where no thing moves that fast so information does not.
> 
> The archaic dogma that information must travel at c or slower is abolished 
> nowadays. Since information transfer does not always requires a carrier or 
> a medium.
> 
> > The correlation of particles (as structurally some "wave")
> > over extended distances is not the same as a "laser beam at 2c".
> 
> There are correlations in time and correlations is space, as well as 
> autocorrelations. A correlation in space is time independent for instance. 
> Hence, it might be embedded into the system at the start of the experiment.
> 
> Many people can't sense this difference.

OK, two radiators, 
detector in the middle, 
detector off to either 
side or here a large 
ring of radiators (of 
"entangled particles" 
or waves).  Timing then 
has all the radiators go 
off at once, then each 
detector in the ring knows 
at once that the evaluation 
of the particle each has a 
winner, how?  (Who flinched.)

" ... information transfer does 
not always requires a carrier or
 a medium."

How is that? (Here, the vacuum of 
space is considered a medium.)

Light then gravity are the fastest 
things we have in the theory.

Then, consider a huge, vacant space 
where there are three large massy bodies 
in perfect symmetrical arrangement.  They 
naturally fall together and have constant 
blue-shift.  Stellated about them are three 
tiny guide-lodes.  One of those accelerates, 
and the system altogether changes from 
equilibrium, and the guide-lodes variously 
went off one or each (no "deterministic" 
information "faster than c").  That's where 
the event somehow has no more than zero 
information.





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#371149

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-30 09:31 -0800
Message-ID<af390e1a-f317-45f4-80ea-5813a0c40efd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#371148
On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 9:28:34 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:55:53 AM UTC-8, Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:
> > суббота., Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:40:48 -0800 пользователь Ross A. Finlayson
> > написал:
> > 
> > >> Not so. It's about everywhere you have a field. Ie gravity,
> > >> electrostatic etc. All action at distance.
> > > 
> > > The idea is that there's a mechanism, "spooky" is Einstein's name for
> > > "non-causal information propagated at greater than c", with the idea
> > > that "entanglement"
> > > may have tachyonic structure, with gravity being "faster" than c, but
> > > where no thing moves that fast so information does not.
> > 
> > The archaic dogma that information must travel at c or slower is abolished 
> > nowadays. Since information transfer does not always requires a carrier or 
> > a medium.
> > 
> > > The correlation of particles (as structurally some "wave")
> > > over extended distances is not the same as a "laser beam at 2c".
> > 
> > There are correlations in time and correlations is space, as well as 
> > autocorrelations. A correlation in space is time independent for instance. 
> > Hence, it might be embedded into the system at the start of the experiment.
> > 
> > Many people can't sense this difference.
> 
> OK, two radiators, 
> detector in the middle, 
> detector off to either 
> side or here a large 
> ring of radiators (of 
> "entangled particles" 
> or waves).  Timing then 
> has all the radiators go 
> off at once, then each 
> detector in the ring knows 
> at once that the evaluation 
> of the particle each has a 
> winner, how?  (Who flinched.)
> 
> " ... information transfer does 
> not always requires a carrier or
>  a medium."
> 
> How is that? (Here, the vacuum of 
> space is considered a medium.)
> 
> Light then gravity are the fastest 
> things we have in the theory.
> 
> Then, consider a huge, vacant space 
> where there are three large massy bodies 
> in perfect symmetrical arrangement.  They 
> naturally fall together and have constant 
> blue-shift.  Stellated about them are three 
> tiny guide-lodes.  One of those accelerates, 
> and the system altogether changes from 
> equilibrium, and the guide-lodes variously 
> went off one or each (no "deterministic" 
> information "faster than c").  That's where 
> the event somehow has no more than zero 
> information.

That's like "setting up a house of cards to 
take a picture", getting up to take the 
picture breaks the "equilibrium".

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#371159

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2015-11-30 12:14 -0600
Message-ID<UPGdnREOZduVD8HLnZ2dnUU7_8ydnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#371146
On 11/30/15 11/30/15 - 10:55 AM, Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:
> The archaic dogma that information must travel at c or slower is abolished
> nowadays.

Nonsense. Among physicists, SR is known to be valid within its domain. It is a 
simple fact that NOBODY has ever observed the transfer of information faster than c.


> Since information transfer does not always requires a carrier or
> a medium.

Hmmmm. I know of no instance of information transfer in which "something" did 
not travel the same route, essentially "carrying" the information.

	Interpret "something" rather loosely, for instance including
	the pressure waves we call "sound".

Note also that there is a minimum amount of energy transfer required to transfer 
one bit of information (Google is your friend). Energy transfer is the subject 
of SR's speed limit.

And still, NOBODY has ever observed the transfer of information faster than c.


> [... nonsense and word salad]


Tom Roberts

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#371161

FromCarl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org>
Date2015-11-30 18:25 +0000
Message-ID<n3i4a9$vp9$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#371159
суббота., Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:14:32 -0600 пользователь Tom Roberts
написал:
 
>> Since information transfer does not always requires a carrier or a
>> medium.
> 
> Hmmmm. I know of no instance of information transfer in which
> "something" did not travel the same route, essentially "carrying" the
> information.
> 
> 	Interpret "something" rather loosely, for instance including the
> 	pressure waves we call "sound".

Hmmm, let's make it literally. The smallest bit of information is a bit, 
which in plain English means a TRANSITION from a state to another. Say for 
0 to 1 or from 1 to 0. Hence, if a receiver detects a transition of a 
state on the other side, does not mean that the transition itself was 
travelling at c or lower, or travelling at all.

> Note also that there is a minimum amount of energy transfer required to
> transfer one bit of information (Google is your friend). Energy transfer
> is the subject of SR's speed limit.

I'm my own friend.

> And still, NOBODY has ever observed the transfer of information faster
> than c.  [... nonsense and word salad]

We disagree. People observe CHANGES and TRANSITIONS all the time. The 
fewest of them are implying c or lower than c. Gravity self does not 
require c or light as carrier, I hope we agree.

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#371200

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2015-11-30 21:23 -0800
Message-ID<f6f96a2f-7fec-4254-b011-3c9f6a1034b5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#371146
On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 10:55:53 AM UTC-6, Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:
> суббота., Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:40:48 -0800 пользователь Ross A. Finlayson
> написал:
> 
> >> Not so. It's about everywhere you have a field. Ie gravity,
> >> electrostatic etc. All action at distance.
> > 
> > The idea is that there's a mechanism, "spooky" is Einstein's name for
> > "non-causal information propagated at greater than c", with the idea
> > that "entanglement"
> > may have tachyonic structure, with gravity being "faster" than c, but
> > where no thing moves that fast so information does not.
> 
> The archaic dogma that information must travel at c or slower is abolished 
> nowadays. Since information transfer does not always requires a carrier or 
> a medium.
> 
> > The correlation of particles (as structurally some "wave")
> > over extended distances is not the same as a "laser beam at 2c".
> 
> There are correlations in time and correlations is space, as well as 
> autocorrelations. A correlation in space is time independent for instance. 
> Hence, it might be embedded into the system at the start of the experiment.
> 
> Many people can't sense this difference.

Yes, in the sense that "information" is conventionally understood as a two-way, go-come measure.  We now are starting to realize that one-way measures exist which require no time, and are pre-quantities to be measured BEFORE a certain experiment is performed.

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#371201

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-30 21:50 -0800
Message-ID<8c10b0fc-5de5-4f8c-a4fb-8bbfc5d6f9c9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#371200
On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 9:23:42 PM UTC-8, John Gogo wrote:
> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 10:55:53 AM UTC-6, Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:
> > суббота., Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:40:48 -0800 пользователь Ross A. Finlayson
> > написал:
> > 
> > >> Not so. It's about everywhere you have a field. Ie gravity,
> > >> electrostatic etc. All action at distance.
> > > 
> > > The idea is that there's a mechanism, "spooky" is Einstein's name for
> > > "non-causal information propagated at greater than c", with the idea
> > > that "entanglement"
> > > may have tachyonic structure, with gravity being "faster" than c, but
> > > where no thing moves that fast so information does not.
> > 
> > The archaic dogma that information must travel at c or slower is abolished 
> > nowadays. Since information transfer does not always requires a carrier or 
> > a medium.
> > 
> > > The correlation of particles (as structurally some "wave")
> > > over extended distances is not the same as a "laser beam at 2c".
> > 
> > There are correlations in time and correlations is space, as well as 
> > autocorrelations. A correlation in space is time independent for instance. 
> > Hence, it might be embedded into the system at the start of the experiment.
> > 
> > Many people can't sense this difference.
> 
> Yes, in the sense that "information" is conventionally understood as a two-way, go-come measure.  We now are starting to realize that one-way measures exist which require no time, and are pre-quantities to be measured BEFORE a certain experiment is performed.

I don't see any reason why information is two-way 
except for that information is often passing in 
two directions.  

Measure and observation itself often have their 
own impacts to information, vis a vis expectations 
and so on, or Bridgman's two-way operationalism, 
or discretization or "funneling" (well focus).


Why would you say "information is conventionally 
understand as a two-way, go-come measure"?  That 
sounds more like "communication" than "signal" 
which is "encoder/decoder" or "emitter/detector".

Then about pre-quantities, I think you mean values 
of scalars where there are real-valued and scalar-
valued measures and about how deltas are unsigned 
or signed quantities, here that these are the in-
line unsigned quantities before on-line signed 
quantities.

Then, why that would see "time" or the passage of 
time, vis a vis "no time", that is again about the 
interaction of interference, medium, or the measurement 
effect, it would seem.

In mathematics it seems that "measurement and observation" 
are like "sampling and counting", then that the pre-
quantities are the numbers of the systems that flow 
in-line while the quantities as measured are the on-
line quantities, and here usually signed magnitudes.



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#371202

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2015-11-30 22:20 -0800
Message-ID<f4f6d0f6-5e81-4206-be08-afd2fa5f0f19@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#371201
On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 11:50:41 PM UTC-6, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 9:23:42 PM UTC-8, John Gogo wrote:
> > On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 10:55:53 AM UTC-6, Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:
> > > суббота., Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:40:48 -0800 пользователь Ross A. Finlayson
> > > написал:
> > > 
> > > >> Not so. It's about everywhere you have a field. Ie gravity,
> > > >> electrostatic etc. All action at distance.
> > > > 
> > > > The idea is that there's a mechanism, "spooky" is Einstein's name for
> > > > "non-causal information propagated at greater than c", with the idea
> > > > that "entanglement"
> > > > may have tachyonic structure, with gravity being "faster" than c, but
> > > > where no thing moves that fast so information does not.
> > > 
> > > The archaic dogma that information must travel at c or slower is abolished 
> > > nowadays. Since information transfer does not always requires a carrier or 
> > > a medium.
> > > 
> > > > The correlation of particles (as structurally some "wave")
> > > > over extended distances is not the same as a "laser beam at 2c".
> > > 
> > > There are correlations in time and correlations is space, as well as 
> > > autocorrelations. A correlation in space is time independent for instance. 
> > > Hence, it might be embedded into the system at the start of the experiment.
> > > 
> > > Many people can't sense this difference.
> > 
> > Yes, in the sense that "information" is conventionally understood as a two-way, go-come measure.  We now are starting to realize that one-way measures exist which require no time, and are pre-quantities to be measured BEFORE a certain experiment is performed.
> 
> I don't see any reason why information is two-way 
> except for that information is often passing in 
> two directions.  
> 
> Measure and observation itself often have their 
> own impacts to information, vis a vis expectations 
> and so on, or Bridgman's two-way operationalism, 
> or discretization or "funneling" (well focus).
> 
> 
> Why would you say "information is conventionally 
> understand as a two-way, go-come measure"?  That 
> sounds more like "communication" than "signal" 
> which is "encoder/decoder" or "emitter/detector".
> 
> Then about pre-quantities, I think you mean values 
> of scalars where there are real-valued and scalar-
> valued measures and about how deltas are unsigned 
> or signed quantities, here that these are the in-
> line unsigned quantities before on-line signed 
> quantities.
> 
> Then, why that would see "time" or the passage of 
> time, vis a vis "no time", that is again about the 
> interaction of interference, medium, or the measurement 
> effect, it would seem.
> 
> In mathematics it seems that "measurement and observation" 
> are like "sampling and counting", then that the pre-
> quantities are the numbers of the systems that flow 
> in-line while the quantities as measured are the on-
> line quantities, and here usually signed magnitudes.

Wow, that was impressive.

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#371204

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2015-12-01 17:38 +1100
Message-ID<dc4tjfF8r2nU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#371200
On 1/12/2015 4:23 PM, John Gogo wrote:

> Yes, in the sense that "information" is conventionally understood as
> a two-way, go-come measure.  We now are starting to realize that
> one-way measures exist which require no time, and are pre-quantities
> to be measured BEFORE a certain experiment is performed.
>

What on Earth is that meant to mean?

Sylvia

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#371209

FromJohn Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2015-11-30 22:50 -0800
Message-ID<f5f68969-db86-4d2c-bf33-0f35d5202b04@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#371204
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 12:38:42 AM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 1/12/2015 4:23 PM, John Gogo wrote:
> 
> > Yes, in the sense that "information" is conventionally understood as
> > a two-way, go-come measure.  We now are starting to realize that
> > one-way measures exist which require no time, and are pre-quantities
> > to be measured BEFORE a certain experiment is performed.
> >
> 
> What on Earth is that meant to mean?
> 
> Sylvia

Whenever things get complicated, I always go back to the four fundamentals:
One-way, one-clock
One-way, two-clock
Two-way, one-clock
Two-way, two-clock

Fundamentally, one-way measures must operate differently than two-way systems- otherwise we would not be able to distinguish between them.

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#371234

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2015-12-01 11:02 -0600
Message-ID<cIOdnULT_PQCT8DLnZ2dnUU7_81i4p2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#371200
On 11/30/15 11/30/15 - 11:23 PM, John Gogo wrote:
> [...] in the sense that "information" is conventionally understood as a
> two-way, go-come measure.

Nonsense. That is NOT AT ALL what is meant by "information".

Google is your friend.


Tom Roberts

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#371205

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2015-12-01 17:40 +1100
Message-ID<dc4tmpF8r2nU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#371146
On 1/12/2015 3:55 AM, Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:
> суббота., Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:40:48 -0800 пользователь Ross A. Finlayson
> написал:
>
>>> Not so. It's about everywhere you have a field. Ie gravity,
>>> electrostatic etc. All action at distance.
>>
>> The idea is that there's a mechanism, "spooky" is Einstein's name for
>> "non-causal information propagated at greater than c", with the idea
>> that "entanglement"
>> may have tachyonic structure, with gravity being "faster" than c, but
>> where no thing moves that fast so information does not.
>
> The archaic dogma that information must travel at c or slower is abolished
> nowadays. Since information transfer does not always requires a carrier or
> a medium.
>
>> The correlation of particles (as structurally some "wave")
>> over extended distances is not the same as a "laser beam at 2c".
>
> There are correlations in time and correlations is space, as well as
> autocorrelations. A correlation in space is time independent for instance.
> Hence, it might be embedded into the system at the start of the experiment.

But Bell's theorem proves that it's not in the case of quantum entanglement.

Sylvia.

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#371207

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2015-12-01 07:44 +0100
Message-ID<1742259.l2N0PYKIuG@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#371146
Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:

> The archaic dogma that information must travel at c or slower is abolished
> nowadays. 

More nonsense from the 'nym-shifting troll.  *PLONK*


PointedEars
-- 
A neutron walks into a bar and inquires how much a drink costs.
The bartender replies, "For you? No charge."

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#371248

FromCarl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org>
Date2015-12-01 19:54 +0000
Message-ID<n3ktt3$eds$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#371207
суббота., Tue, 01 Dec 2015 07:44:31 +0100 пользователь Thomas
'PointedEars' Lahn написал:

> Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:
> 
>> The archaic dogma that information must travel at c or slower is
>> abolished nowadays.
> 
> More nonsense from the 'nym-shifting troll.  *PLONK*

I am entirely new here, PointedHead. I can't avoid to remark, that each 
time you learn something, implicitly making stupid and insignificant, you 
always "plonk" various knowledgeable people.

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#371152

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2015-11-30 11:51 -0600
Message-ID<p4KdnYZZKMgaEcHLnZ2dnUU7_8ydnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#371139
On 11/30/15 11/30/15 - 10:21 AM, Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:
> It's about everywhere you have a field. Ie gravity, electrostatic
> etc. All action at distance.

Not true. In the field theory of electrostatics (i.e. classical 
electrodynamics), and in the field theory of gravitation (General Relativity), 
there is _NO_ "action at a distance". In both theories the field at a given 
point depends ONLY on the values of the fields and sources at points an 
infinitesimal distance away (within the past lightcone) of the point in question.

	This is directly demonstrated in these theories: they are
	expressed in terms of differential equations.


This is, of course, consistent with Einstein's dictum: "All physics is local."


Tom Roberts

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#371156

FromCarl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org>
Date2015-11-30 18:03 +0000
Message-ID<n3i32b$rph$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#371152
суббота., Mon, 30 Nov 2015 11:51:02 -0600 пользователь Tom Roberts
написал:

> On 11/30/15 11/30/15 - 10:21 AM, Carl Heinz Krüger wrote:
>> It's about everywhere you have a field. Ie gravity, electrostatic etc.
>> All action at distance.
> 
> Not true. In the field theory of electrostatics (i.e. classical
> electrodynamics), and in the field theory of gravitation (General
> Relativity), there is _NO_ "action at a distance". In both theories the
> field at a given point depends ONLY on the values of the fields and
> sources at points an infinitesimal distance away (within the past
> lightcone) of the point in question.

In a way yes, but when you have ie a magnet, you know that the magnet is 
cause of that action. Without the magnet or the Matter, you have not 
action. I strongly believe that Gravity in GR is totally different from 
the field of a magnet. You may interpret it as "spacetime" curvature, but 
the action at distance will not disappear in any way.

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#371206

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2015-12-01 07:41 +0100
Message-ID<2395916.ujK87JK2CX@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#371059
Sylvia Else wrote:

> On 28/11/2015 11:36 PM, Omar Shabsigh wrote:
>>  But now, an experiment at Delft University of Technology in the
>> Netherlands suggests that the great man's objections
>> notwithstanding, spooky action at a distance is real.
> 
> No, no, no! The experiment verifies entanglement, and few in the
> scientific community would have expected it not to. But that's all.
> "Spooky action at a distance" is a hypothetical mechanism behind
> entanglement for which there is not only no evidence at all, […]

Utter nonsense.  Quantum entanglement was experimentally confirmed in at 
least six experiments already.  Einstein’s derision of it as “spooky action 
at distance” (1935) became obsolete in 1984 with Bennett’s and Brassard’s 
BB84 at the latest.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement>


PointedEars
-- 
A neutron walks into a bar and inquires how much a drink costs.
The bartender replies, "For you? No charge."

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#371216

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2015-12-01 19:11 +1100
Message-ID<dc530mFa43nU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#371206
On 1/12/2015 5:41 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>> On 28/11/2015 11:36 PM, Omar Shabsigh wrote:
>>>   But now, an experiment at Delft University of Technology in the
>>> Netherlands suggests that the great man's objections
>>> notwithstanding, spooky action at a distance is real.
>>
>> No, no, no! The experiment verifies entanglement, and few in the
>> scientific community would have expected it not to. But that's all.
>> "Spooky action at a distance" is a hypothetical mechanism behind
>> entanglement for which there is not only no evidence at all, […]
>
> Utter nonsense.  Quantum entanglement was experimentally confirmed in at
> least six experiments already.  Einstein’s derision of it as “spooky action
> at distance” (1935) became obsolete in 1984 with Bennett’s and Brassard’s
> BB84 at the latest.

What was it about "The experiment verifies entanglement" that you found 
difficult to follow?

Or did you only read as far as "No, no, no!"?

Sylvia.

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#371255

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2015-12-01 22:42 +0100
Message-ID<2968108.JjNB03i3lN@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#371216
Sylvia Else wrote:

> On 1/12/2015 5:41 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2015 11:36 PM, Omar Shabsigh wrote:
>>>>   But now, an experiment at Delft University of Technology in the
>>>> Netherlands suggests that the great man's objections
>>>> notwithstanding, spooky action at a distance is real.
>>> No, no, no! The experiment verifies entanglement, and few in the
>>> scientific community would have expected it not to. But that's all.
>>> "Spooky action at a distance" is a hypothetical mechanism behind
>>> entanglement for which there is not only no evidence at all, […]
>> Utter nonsense.  Quantum entanglement was experimentally confirmed in at
>> least six experiments already.  Einstein’s derision of it as “spooky
>> action at [a] distance” (1935) became obsolete in 1984 with Bennett’s and
>> Brassard’s BB84 at the latest.
> 
> What was it about "The experiment verifies entanglement" that you found
> difficult to follow?
> 
> Or did you only read as far as "No, no, no!"?

Oh for crying out loud, it’s the (crack)pot calling the kettle black again.

“Spooky action at a distance” is _not_, different from what you stated, “a 
hypothetical mechanism behind entanglement for which there is not only no 
evidence at all […]”.  Instead, it is Einstein’s derision of the very idea 
of quantum entanglement.  However, quantum entanglement was experimentally 
confirmed later (after Einstein’s death).


PointedEars
-- 
Heisenberg is out for a drive when he's stopped by a traffic cop. 
The officer asks him "Do you know how fast you were going?" 
Heisenberg replies "No, but I know where I am."
(from: WolframAlpha)

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#371263

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2015-12-02 10:20 +1100
Message-ID<dc6oa3FnmrbU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#371255
On 2/12/2015 8:42 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>> On 1/12/2015 5:41 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/2015 11:36 PM, Omar Shabsigh wrote:
>>>>>    But now, an experiment at Delft University of Technology in the
>>>>> Netherlands suggests that the great man's objections
>>>>> notwithstanding, spooky action at a distance is real.
>>>> No, no, no! The experiment verifies entanglement, and few in the
>>>> scientific community would have expected it not to. But that's all.
>>>> "Spooky action at a distance" is a hypothetical mechanism behind
>>>> entanglement for which there is not only no evidence at all, […]
>>> Utter nonsense.  Quantum entanglement was experimentally confirmed in at
>>> least six experiments already.  Einstein’s derision of it as “spooky
>>> action at [a] distance” (1935) became obsolete in 1984 with Bennett’s and
>>> Brassard’s BB84 at the latest.
>>
>> What was it about "The experiment verifies entanglement" that you found
>> difficult to follow?
>>
>> Or did you only read as far as "No, no, no!"?
>
> Oh for crying out loud, it’s the (crack)pot calling the kettle black again.
>
> “Spooky action at a distance” is _not_, different from what you stated, “a
> hypothetical mechanism behind entanglement for which there is not only no
> evidence at all […]”.  Instead, it is Einstein’s derision of the very idea
> of quantum entanglement.  However, quantum entanglement was experimentally
> confirmed later (after Einstein’s death).
>
You seem to be assuming that "spooky action at a distance" is the same 
as entanglement. It's not. Entanglement is a predicted correlation 
between measurements. Nothing more.

Sylvia.

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