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  fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-08 10:59 -0700
    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 20:30 +0200
      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-08 12:04 -0700
    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 13:23 -0700
    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 13:38 -0700
    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 13:59 -0700
      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 21:34 -0700
      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-13 08:14 +0200
        Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-13 08:21 +0200
          Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-13 10:49 +0200
            Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-16 09:10 +0200
              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-16 11:36 +0200
                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 10:16 +0000
                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-16 13:36 +0200
              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 10:14 +0000
                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-16 11:55 -0700
              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-16 23:24 +0200
                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-17 07:57 +0200
                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-17 23:16 +0200
                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-17 23:18 +0200
                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 21:22 +0000
                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-17 14:47 -0700
                      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-17 23:53 +0200
                        Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-18 08:04 -0700
                          Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 13:56 -0700
                            Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-19 08:52 -0700
                              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 12:22 -0700
                                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-20 09:29 -0700
                                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 12:15 -0700
                                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-20 15:48 -0700
                                      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-21 16:59 -0700
                                      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 19:43 -0700
                                        Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:21 +0000
                                          Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-22 12:55 +0200
                                            Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirwv.on> - 2018-09-23 09:42 +0000
                                          Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 13:18 -0700
                                            Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-23 21:58 +0000
                                              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-23 15:00 -0700
                                                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-24 20:16 +0000
                                              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 16:37 -0700
                                                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-24 20:13 +0000
                                                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 13:34 -0700
                                                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-24 21:45 +0000
                                                      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 15:12 -0700
                                                        Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-24 22:30 +0000
                                                          Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 15:34 -0700
                                                            Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-24 22:47 +0000
                                                              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 19:44 -0700
                                                                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-25 14:57 +0000
                                                                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 13:45 -0700
                                                                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:44 +0000
                                        Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-22 09:13 -0700
                                          Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 19:57 +0200
                                            Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-22 12:42 -0700
                                              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 08:58 +0200
                                                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-23 09:14 -0700
                                                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 18:29 +0200
                                                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-23 10:28 -0700
                                                      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 20:37 +0200
                                                        Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-23 11:53 -0700
                                          Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:45 -0700
                                            Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-26 12:30 -0700
                                              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 12:37 -0700
                                                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-26 13:43 -0700
                                                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 15:45 -0700
                                                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-27 09:26 -0700
                                                      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 12:19 -0700
                                                        Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-28 10:48 -0700
                                                          Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-30 13:23 -0700
                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-18 09:35 +0200
                      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-18 22:07 +0200
                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-19 02:27 +0200
                      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 17:30 -0700
        Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 23:29 -0700
          Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-13 19:10 +0200
            Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-13 18:09 -0700
              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-13 18:19 -0700
                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-13 18:33 -0700
                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-13 19:03 -0700
              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-14 07:50 +0200
                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-13 23:03 -0700
                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-14 08:28 +0200
                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-14 01:52 -0700
                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-18 22:01 +0200
                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-19 01:32 +0200
                Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-18 21:57 +0200
                  Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-19 01:47 +0200
                    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 17:00 -0700
                      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 17:03 -0700
        Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-12 23:36 -0700
    Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-13 20:33 -0700
      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-13 20:47 -0700
      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-13 20:52 -0700
        Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-13 21:25 -0700
          Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-13 21:49 -0700
            Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-14 13:13 -0700
              Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-14 16:00 -0700
      Re: fantastic question about light bending in the GR Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-14 07:54 +0200
    fantastic question about light bending in the GR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-16 12:33 -0700

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#473184

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 9:13:41 AM UTC-7, al...@interia.pl wrote:
> W dniu sobota, 22 września 2018 04:43:39 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 3:48:17 PM UTC-7, al...@interia.pl wrote:
> > > W dniu czwartek, 20 września 2018 21:15:22 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > > > On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-7, al...@interia.pl wrote:
> > > > > W dniu środa, 19 września 2018 21:22:08 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > You cannot change facts. Which happen to be: I know this stuff and you don't.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But you know nothing, unfortunately!
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry, this is going to stop here. There is nothing I can tell you that would
> > > > fix your problem.
> > > 
> > > Indeed. You reputation lost in the fog of your pointless replies = claims and delusions.
> > 
> > Dream on. Silly goose.
> > 
> > --
> > Jan
> 
> Simple test for your competence in the math:
> 
> r' = dr/dt = (1-a/r) sqrt(1 - h^2/r^2 * 1/(1-a/r))
> f' = df/dt = h/r^2
> 
> where:
> a = 3km,
> h = R*sqrt(1-a/r); R = 0.7e6 km, sun's radius.
> 
> Derive the light path using these equations:
> r(t) = x(t), y(t);
> 
> What is the deflection angle, and a time delay - the so-called Shapiro delay?

Are you sure you want to see it? Even in TeX it doesn't look very nice
as the relevant quantities are elliptic integrals. And if you don't plan
on integrating them numerically, you expand them in a power series (order 1
is enough, actually) but the first-order integral has a pair of
singularities which (necessarily must) cancel, so a (simple but involved)
limiting argument must be used.

Somehow I have a feeling you know nothing about this and assume the
calculation is just a couple of lines of simple differentials. That's
one source of my skepticism regarding correctness of your claims. (There
are more.)

--
Jan

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#473188

W dniu środa, 26 września 2018 20:45:03 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:

> > Simple test for your competence in the math:
> > 
> > r' = dr/dt = (1-a/r) sqrt(1 - h^2/r^2 * 1/(1-a/r))
> > f' = df/dt = h/r^2
> > 
> > where:
> > a = 3km,
> > h = R*sqrt(1-a/r); R = 0.7e6 km, sun's radius.
> > 
> > Derive the light path using these equations:
> > r(t) = x(t), y(t);
> > 
> > What is the deflection angle, and a time delay - the so-called Shapiro delay?
> 
> Are you sure you want to see it? 
> Even in TeX it doesn't look very nice
> as the relevant quantities are elliptic integrals. And if you don't plan
> on integrating them numerically, you expand them in a power series (order 1
> is enough, actually) but the first-order integral has a pair of
> singularities which (necessarily must) cancel, so a (simple but involved)
> limiting argument must be used.
> 
> Somehow I have a feeling you know nothing about this and assume the
> calculation is just a couple of lines of simple differentials. That's
> one source of my skepticism regarding correctness of your claims. (There
> are more.)
> 
> --
> Jan

Don't speech - just calculate this!

After all, this is a simple equation to solve only.

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#473190

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 12:30:44 PM UTC-7, al...@interia.pl wrote:
> W dniu środa, 26 września 2018 20:45:03 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> 
> > > Simple test for your competence in the math:
> > > 
> > > r' = dr/dt = (1-a/r) sqrt(1 - h^2/r^2 * 1/(1-a/r))
> > > f' = df/dt = h/r^2
> > > 
> > > where:
> > > a = 3km,
> > > h = R*sqrt(1-a/r); R = 0.7e6 km, sun's radius.
> > > 
> > > Derive the light path using these equations:
> > > r(t) = x(t), y(t);
> > > 
> > > What is the deflection angle, and a time delay - the so-called Shapiro delay?
> > 
> > Are you sure you want to see it? 
> > Even in TeX it doesn't look very nice
> > as the relevant quantities are elliptic integrals. And if you don't plan
> > on integrating them numerically, you expand them in a power series (order 1
> > is enough, actually) but the first-order integral has a pair of
> > singularities which (necessarily must) cancel, so a (simple but involved)
> > limiting argument must be used.
> > 
> > Somehow I have a feeling you know nothing about this and assume the
> > calculation is just a couple of lines of simple differentials. That's
> > one source of my skepticism regarding correctness of your claims. (There
> > are more.)
> > 
> > --
> > Jan
> 
> Don't speech - just calculate this!
> 
> After all, this is a simple equation to solve only.

It's NOT a simple equation. I may post a correct version if I feel like it.

--
Jan

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#473204

W dniu środa, 26 września 2018 21:37:05 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > Don't speech - just calculate this!
> > 
> > After all, this is a simple equation to solve only.
> 
> It's NOT a simple equation. I may post a correct version if I feel like it.
> 
> --
> Jan

I'm sorry, but you can't modify the questions in the test,
because this is... just a test.

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#473219

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 1:43:38 PM UTC-7, al...@interia.pl wrote:
> W dniu środa, 26 września 2018 21:37:05 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > > Don't speech - just calculate this!
> > > 
> > > After all, this is a simple equation to solve only.
> > 
> > It's NOT a simple equation. I may post a correct version if I feel like it.
> > 
> > --
> > Jan
> 
> I'm sorry, but you can't modify the questions in the test,
> because this is... just a test.

Yawn.

--
Jan

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#473265

W dniu czwartek, 27 września 2018 00:45:49 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 1:43:38 PM UTC-7, al...@interia.pl wrote:
> > W dniu środa, 26 września 2018 21:37:05 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > > > Don't speech - just calculate this!
> > > > 
> > > > After all, this is a simple equation to solve only.
> > > 
> > > It's NOT a simple equation. I may post a correct version if I feel like it.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jan
> > 
> > I'm sorry, but you can't modify the questions in the test,
> > because this is... just a test.
> 
> Yawn.
> 
> --
> Jan

Ok.
You can try to solve the simplified version - for a = 0
thus:

r'^2 = 1-h^2/r^2
f' = h/r^2;

still too hard?

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#473297

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 9:26:03 AM UTC-7, al...@interia.pl wrote:
> W dniu czwartek, 27 września 2018 00:45:49 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 1:43:38 PM UTC-7, al...@interia.pl wrote:
> > > W dniu środa, 26 września 2018 21:37:05 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > > > > Don't speech - just calculate this!
> > > > > 
> > > > > After all, this is a simple equation to solve only.
> > > > 
> > > > It's NOT a simple equation. I may post a correct version if I feel like it.
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Jan
> > > 
> > > I'm sorry, but you can't modify the questions in the test,
> > > because this is... just a test.
> > 
> > Yawn.
> > 
> > --
> > Jan
> 
> Ok.
> You can try to solve the simplified version - for a = 0
> thus:
> 
> r'^2 = 1-h^2/r^2
> f' = h/r^2;
> 
> still too hard?

Squirm some more. I have plenty of time.

--
Jan

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#473380

W dniu czwartek, 27 września 2018 21:19:12 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 9:26:03 AM UTC-7, al...@interia.pl wrote:
> > W dniu czwartek, 27 września 2018 00:45:49 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > > On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 1:43:38 PM UTC-7, al...@interia.pl wrote:
> > > > W dniu środa, 26 września 2018 21:37:05 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > > > > > Don't speech - just calculate this!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > After all, this is a simple equation to solve only.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's NOT a simple equation. I may post a correct version if I feel like it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jan
> > > > 
> > > > I'm sorry, but you can't modify the questions in the test,
> > > > because this is... just a test.
> > > 
> > > Yawn.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jan
> > 
> > Ok.
> > You can try to solve the simplified version - for a = 0
> > thus:
> > 
> > r'^2 = 1-h^2/r^2
> > f' = h/r^2;
> > 
> > still too hard?
> 
> Squirm some more. I have plenty of time.
> 
> --
> Jan

This is an equation of a straight - horizontal line in the polar coordinates:

y = h; haha!

So, now you have smart method to solve the original equation -
just introduce some simple modification: K = 1-a/r, and go with this!

Or something still simpler - like this:
r'^2 = K(1 - h^2/r^2)
f' = h/r^2 sqrt(K);

what is just the correct equation for a Schwarzschild's light path geodesic.

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#473612

Light is not special... it responds to the space curve just
as the atom always does. Both get a motion curve from the gravity
curve.


Mitchell Raemsch

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#472281

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> Wrote in message:
>

The initial on topic part I will eventually comment later in
 independent post.

>> I have said respectable.
> 
> I really do not care what you might find “respectable”.  

Your level of social intelligence is well known in this group. You
 missed stuff about manners people should learn in a kindergarden.
 I can imagine some version of highly functional Asperger or
 autistic spectrum  issue. 

I am not entitled to respect Usenet related RFC parts, that
 violate EU laws, if the provide domain is  registered in
 Germany.



> Think about it more.  How can light *travel* if it “passes *zero* distance”
> as you claim?

In inerial frames, light does not  pass zero distance.

For object speed converging to light speed, the passed distances
 converge in their inertial frames to zero. It allows highly
 unstable particles to pass much longer paths than fits their
 speed and the halftime. 

For speed of clocks converging to light speed, the proper time
 interval for passing given distance converges to
 zero.

Read it more thorously before thinking and writing about it.

-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
Miloš Forman


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#472338

Libor Striz wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> Wrote in message:
> 
> The initial on topic part I will eventually comment later in
>  independent post.

Don’t bother.

>>> I have said respectable.
>>
>> I really do not care what you might find “respectable”.  
> 
> Your level of social intelligence is well known in this group.

Argumentum ad hominem.  I criticize your *behavior*, you attack the person.

> You missed stuff about manners people should learn in a kindergarden.

Pot, kettle, black.

>  I can imagine some version of highly functional Asperger or
>  autistic spectrum  issue. 

I could not care less about your incompetent psychological assessment of me
either.

> I am not entitled to respect Usenet related RFC parts, that
>  violate EU laws, if the provide domain is  registered in
>  Germany.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

>> Think about it more.  How can light *travel* if it “passes *zero* distance”
>> as you claim?
> 
> In inerial frames, light does not  pass zero distance.

"inerial"…

It NEVER does.  That is why IT TRAVELS.

> [word salad]

Hopeless.

*PLONK*

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#472392

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> Wrote in message:


> Maybe then another term has to be used.  I have not yet had time to look
> into it, particularly with regard to special relativity.  But in general, a
> geodesic is the locally shortest path between two points of a manifold, and
> IIUC in spacetime a geodesic is therefore the path of locally longest proper
> time.
> 
>   ds² = c²dτ² = c²dt² − (dx² + dy² + dz²),
> 
> where τ is proper time, becomes *maximal* if √(dx² + dy² + dz²) = 0.
> 
> Light travels along a *null* *geodesic* where
> 
>   ds² = 0,
> 
> so …
> 
... So as ds=0 for lightlike intervals
and as ds=c. d(tau),
you can see the proper time interval is zero,  what you tried to deny.

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#472393

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 5:27:16 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> Wrote in message:
> 
> 
> > Maybe then another term has to be used.  I have not yet had time to look
> > into it, particularly with regard to special relativity.  But in general, a
> > geodesic is the locally shortest path between two points of a manifold, and
> > IIUC in spacetime a geodesic is therefore the path of locally longest proper
> > time.
> > 
> >   ds² = c²dτ² = c²dt² − (dx² + dy² + dz²),
> > 
> > where τ is proper time, becomes *maximal* if √(dx² + dy² + dz²) = 0.
> > 
> > Light travels along a *null* *geodesic* where
> > 
> >   ds² = 0,
> > 
> > so …
> > 
> ... So as ds=0 for lightlike intervals
> and as ds=c. d(tau),
> you can see the proper time interval is zero,  what you tried to deny.
> 
> -- 
> Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
> 
> "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
> Miloš Forman
> 
> 
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Light has its gravity time intervals.
When with matter it has matter's intervals.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#471632

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 11:14:33 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
> consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> > Light does not bend.
> > 
> 
> The observed phenomena is bending.
> 
> The interpretation depends on the applied theory.
> 
> In  GR, light propagates along the shortest path, null geodesics,
> that is generally bended in our 3D space, converging  to straight
>  line for zero gravity.
> 
> -- 
> Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
> 
> "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
> Miloš Forman
> 
> 
> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


It not bending. It the measurement.

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#471687

consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 11:14:33 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
>> consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
>> > Light does not bend.
>> > 
>> 
>> The observed phenomena is bending.
>> 
>> The interpretation depends on the applied theory.
>> 
>> In  GR, light propagates along the shortest path, null geodesics,
>> that is generally bended in our 3D space, converging  to straight
>>  line for zero gravity.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
>> 
>> "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
>> Miloš Forman
>> 
>> 
>> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
>> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> 
> It not bending. It the measurement.

Define bending then.


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#471744

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
> consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 11:14:33 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
> >> consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> >> > Light does not bend.
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> The observed phenomena is bending.
> >> 
> >> The interpretation depends on the applied theory.
> >> 
> >> In  GR, light propagates along the shortest path, null geodesics,
> >> that is generally bended in our 3D space, converging  to straight
> >>  line for zero gravity.
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
> >> 
> >> "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
> >> Miloš Forman
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
> >> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
> > 
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 
> > 
> > It not bending. It the measurement.
> 
> Define bending then.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
> 
> "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
> Miloš Forman
> 
> 
> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


diffraction is the bending of light

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#471747

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 6:09:20 PM UTC-7, consequen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
> > consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 11:14:33 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
> > >> consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> > >> > Light does not bend.
> > >> > 
> > >> 
> > >> The observed phenomena is bending.
> > >> 
> > >> The interpretation depends on the applied theory.
> > >> 
> > >> In  GR, light propagates along the shortest path, null geodesics,
> > >> that is generally bended in our 3D space, converging  to straight
> > >>  line for zero gravity.
> > >> 
> > >> -- 
> > >> Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
> > >> 
> > >> "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
> > >> Miloš Forman
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
> > >> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
> > > 
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It not bending. It the measurement.
> > 
> > Define bending then.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
> > 
> > "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
> > Miloš Forman
> > 
> > 
> > ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
> > http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> 
> diffraction is the bending of light

Diffraction is not what we are seeing.
That would redirect light in all directions.
We see only that happening in one direction.
That validates gravity geometry curving
of light not diffraction.

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#471750

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 6:19:54 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 6:09:20 PM UTC-7, consequen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
> > > consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 11:14:33 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
> > > >> consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> > > >> > Light does not bend.
> > > >> > 
> > > >> 
> > > >> The observed phenomena is bending.
> > > >> 
> > > >> The interpretation depends on the applied theory.
> > > >> 
> > > >> In  GR, light propagates along the shortest path, null geodesics,
> > > >> that is generally bended in our 3D space, converging  to straight
> > > >>  line for zero gravity.
> > > >> 
> > > >> -- 
> > > >> Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
> > > >> 
> > > >> "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
> > > >> Miloš Forman
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
> > > >> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
> > > > 
> > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > It not bending. It the measurement.
> > > 
> > > Define bending then.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
> > > 
> > > "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
> > > Miloš Forman
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
> > > http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
> > 
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 
> > 
> > diffraction is the bending of light
> 
> Diffraction is not what we are seeing.
> That would redirect light in all directions.
> We see only that happening in one direction.
> That validates gravity geometry curving
> of light not diffraction.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


When you observe the bending of light all the stars of the celestial universe light emissions also bend which prove gravity does not bend light. The bending of light is caused by a measurement variant caused by the earth's daily and yearly motions.

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#471755

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 6:33:07 PM UTC-7, numbernu...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 6:19:54 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 6:09:20 PM UTC-7, consequen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
> > > > consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 11:14:33 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
> > > > >> consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> > > > >> > Light does not bend.
> > > > >> > 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> The observed phenomena is bending.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> The interpretation depends on the applied theory.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> In  GR, light propagates along the shortest path, null geodesics,
> > > > >> that is generally bended in our 3D space, converging  to straight
> > > > >>  line for zero gravity.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> -- 
> > > > >> Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
> > > > >> Miloš Forman
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
> > > > >> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
> > > > > 
> > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > It not bending. It the measurement.
> > > > 
> > > > Define bending then.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)
> > > > 
> > > > "Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
> > > > Miloš Forman
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
> > > > http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
> > > 
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > 
> > > 
> > > diffraction is the bending of light
> > 
> > Diffraction is not what we are seeing.
> > That would redirect light in all directions.
> > We see only that happening in one direction.
> > That validates gravity geometry curving
> > of light not diffraction.
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> 
> When you observe the bending of light all the stars of the celestial universe light emissions also bend which prove gravity does not bend light. The bending of light is caused by a measurement variant caused by the earth's daily and yearly motions.

Bending is not happening. Just a redirecting of motion by gravity.
How does measuring "curve" light and in one direction?
You are clearly wrong Roy Masters.

You are arguing nonsense.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#471785

consequently7990662@gmail.com Wrote in message:

> 
> diffraction is the bending of light

Bending is geometry of light propagation in 3D space, no matter if
 caused by diffraction or gravity.

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"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
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