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Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation

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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 11:56:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>> >The solution to the above problem

>> No, Stupid Ken, there is no problem, except in your addled mind.

>> >is that each observer must include the possibility that the observed
>> >clock can run faster (accumulates clock seconds at a faster rate) than
>> >his clock.

>> Wrong. Such a theory cannot handle the following problem. (If you
>> disagree, show us!)

>> 3 rockets leave the origin in the XY plane at the same time.  They all
>> move at the same speed, as measured at the origin O.  Rocket A moves along
>> the +x direction.  Rocket B moves at a 120 degree angle to Rocket A/the x
>> axis, in the XY plane.  Rocket C moves at a 240 degree angle to A (or 120
>> degrees in the opposite direction), also in the XY plane.  Because of
>> geometry, Rockets B and C are also at a 120 degree angle to each other.


>>  B
>>   \
>>    \
>>     O------A
>>    /
>>   /
>>  C

>> Remember, all 3 rockets move at the same velocity as seen from O.

>No Moron, A, B and C cannot use O as reference for velocity wrt each other.

Why not? They left from O.

>> Now, A measures the clock rates of B and C.  A measures B's clock as
>> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock.  A measures C's clock as
>> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock.  In other words,
>> gamma=2 in both cases.

>No moron, A does not measure B's clock rate....he predicts.

And why couldn't A measure?

>> Tell us.  Using your IRT, what does B measure when measuring the rate of
>> A's clock? What does C measure when measuring the rate of A's clock?

>IRT says:

<snip empty blather>

I see that IRT, or you, are unable to make any predictions from my
initial conditions. Just as I thought. Just as well, since if you did,
you'd quickly find a contradiction and the problem isn't doable.
Meanwhile, SR has no problem with this situation.

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Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-07 07:06 -0700
  Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-07 15:56 +0000
    Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-07 09:18 -0700
    Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 09:21 -0700
      Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-07 10:38 -0700
    Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-07 17:14 -0700
      Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-08 01:50 +0000
        Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-08 12:06 -0700
          Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-08 20:31 +0000
            Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-10-08 23:22 +0200
            Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-09 06:28 -0700
              Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tc> - 2018-10-09 14:02 +0000
  Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 19:19 +0000
    Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-07 12:33 -0700
      Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:36 +0000
        Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-07 14:03 -0700
  Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 12:51 -0700
    Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-10-08 23:23 +0200
      Re: Rejecting the SR concept of mutual time dilation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-08 22:52 -0700

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