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Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY"

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY"
Date 2018-09-26 15:56 +0000
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Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> writes:

>On 26/09/2018 13:54, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> writes:

>>>    In Maxwell's Theory, as written by Maxwell, the velocity
>>> of light is appropriate to, and relative to, the medium.

>> Maxwell knew of, or should have known of, Fizeau's work showing the speed
>> of light is not relative to the medium for small values of (n-1) with n
>> being the index of refraction. Instead it approaches c as a limit for n
>> near 1.

>I'm sure Maxwell would have known of Fizeau's claimed confirmation
>of Fresnel's "partial drag" nonsense.

The "partial drag" stuff was what people believed at the time.
Fizeau's results were correct (verified many times since then), but
the aether partial drag explanation isn't.

> He would also have known that a wave traveling trough a medium at speed 
>c will be traveling at c=v (vector addition) in a frame of reference in 
>which the medium is traveling at v m/s.

If he knew of Fizeau's experiment, he would have known that that "obvious"
"common sense" explanation (c'=c/n+v) was actually incorrect. The speed of
light in moving water in Fizeau's experiment was modified by the speed of
the water, but only at 43% of what would be expected if c+v added
vectorally. We now know the speeds c/n and v add according to the SR speed
combination formula, not simple vector addition.

>Fizeau's Bullshit would never have persuaded Maxwell to give up
>Galilean Transformations.

How can actual experimental results be "bullshit"? The interpretation of
them may be BS (aether partial drag), but the truth is the truth.

"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how
smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong."

-Richard P. Feynman

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" A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 20:53 +0100
  Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-25 14:36 -0700
    Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 09:34 +0100
      Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:29 +0200
      Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-26 02:41 -0700
      Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-26 13:56 -0700
        Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 10:48 +0100
          Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-27 04:32 -0700
            Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 05:18 -0700
            Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 13:48 +0100
              Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-27 06:13 -0700
                Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 06:28 -0700
                Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 15:48 +0100
                Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-27 10:45 -0700
                Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 19:45 +0100
                Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 05:27 -0700
                Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 16:01 +0100
                Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 08:27 -0700
                Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 17:35 +0100
                Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-28 19:18 +0200
          Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-27 06:00 -0700
        Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 03:30 -0700
  Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-25 18:03 -0700
  Re:" A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-26 05:45 +0200
    Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 13:12 +0100
      Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 12:54 +0000
        Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 16:09 +0100
          Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 15:56 +0000
  " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-26 04:41 -0700
    Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 12:00 +0100
      Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-28 11:11 -0700
        Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-28 11:15 -0700
          Re: " A MEDIUM NECESSARY" "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-28 11:50 -0700

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