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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Light and modern physics |
| Date | 2018-06-15 14:26 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <pg10bb$ol6$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 6/15/2018 6:40 AM, Keith Stein wrote: > On 13/06/2018 22:11, Volney wrote: >> You were discussing a very thin medium, with n=1.0000000000001 or >> something, perhaps. In theory, there could be electrons exceeding the >> speed of light in that medium if they had extreme energy. However, if >> n=1 (exactly), we have a perfect vacuum, and the speed of light is now >> c relative to all observers, and it is impossible to provide your >> electron with enough energy to have it move at the same speed as light >> (which is c). > > So now it is clear what the difference between a very rare medium and > a perfect vacuum is the difference between 0.0 m/s (exactly), and > 3*10^8 m/s (nearly). > > That's my point eh! The extremeness in behavior is due to the extreme energy required for your 'second electron' to exist. The thinner the medium, the more energetic this electron would theoretically need to be to even have that behavior at all. At the limit, perfect vacuum, n=1, it is impossible since the electron would need infinite energy to reach c which cannot happen. I am rethinking what I wrote. At a comparatively high density, the medium is essentially continuous, with many atoms per wavelength of light. In an extremely thin medium, a photon could travel many wavelengths before encountering an atom, then many more wavelengths before the next atom and so forth. In other words, definitely no longer continuous. Between the atoms, the light is in a perfect vacuum. This has more of an effect for photons of a very short wavelength, such as X-rays. In fact it has been mentioned in this group that X-rays have an extinction distance of billions of light-years while ordinary light has an extinction distance of a few light years. This may be due to this effect, X-ray photons travel at c between the occasional atom encountered while longer wavelengths may see the "vacuum" of space as more continuous.
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Light and modern physics numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 09:05 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 20:26 +0100
Re: Light and modern physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-12 16:34 -0400
Re: Light and modern physics Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 01:01 +0100
Re: Light and modern physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-13 00:54 -0400
Re: Light and modern physics Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 08:20 +0100
Re: Light and modern physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-13 13:17 -0400
Re: Light and modern physics Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 19:54 +0100
Re: Light and modern physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-13 17:11 -0400
Re: Light and modern physics Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 11:40 +0100
Re: Light and modern physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-15 14:26 -0400
Re: Light and modern physics mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 15:51 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 13:37 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 08:31 +0100
Re: Light and modern physics numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 13:41 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 20:21 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-18 19:07 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 13:43 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 13:45 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 17:08 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 17:09 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 10:52 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 10:55 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 10:56 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 13:41 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 22:03 +0100
Re: Light and modern physics mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 16:01 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 14:50 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 14:52 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 16:07 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-15 11:30 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-15 15:03 -0400
Re: Light and modern physics furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-15 13:21 -0700
Re: Light and modern physics numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-18 14:57 -0700
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