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Re: Michelson, Einstein and billiards

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On 09/19/2016 04:41 AM, sepp623@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 3:19:58 PM UTC-5, dhave wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 5:32:03 PM UTC-6, sep...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> (Note: Contrary to modern day interpretations and teachings, Michelson did not measure that the speed of light was the same in both directions - only that the interference pattern had no significant change when the setup was rotated relative to the earth's motion).
>>
>> You sound like a conspiracy theorist: The physicists are tricking us!  ;)
>>
>> Personally, I think that's healthy because, if you look closely enough, you will find out yourself and feel confident in result.
>>
>>> 2. Why must different logic be used in the billiard ball experiment compared to the Michelson-Morley experiment?
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>> It's the same logic: you shoot two things in perpendicular directions and find out if they come back at the same time as you rotate the platform.  The difference is that we measure pool balls by watching them bounce off each other while we measure changes in light speed by watching their interference patterns.  You can see the tiniest change in speed using interference patterns without even knowing (or caring) what actual speeds are.
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>> Regards,
>> Dave.
>
> In the billiard experiment the two balls start and return to the same point on the table simultaneously, independent of the orientation of the billiard table. In the Michelson-Morley experiment, there is no measurable change in the interference pattern, so the same thing happens with photons. Why is a different explanation used for the photons than is used for the billiard balls?
>

If using the billiard analogy, the aether theories of that time predicted,
the billiard balls speed would depend on their speed wrt aether,
and therefore the result would depend on the orientation of the table.

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  Re: Michelson, Einstein and billiards Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-09-18 10:47 +0200
    Re: Michelson, Einstein and billiards sepp623@yahoo.com - 2016-09-18 07:25 -0700
  Re: Michelson, Einstein and billiards dhave <dek.4.home@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 13:19 -0700
    Re: Michelson, Einstein and billiards sepp623@yahoo.com - 2016-09-18 19:41 -0700
      Re: Michelson, Einstein and billiards dhave <dek.4.home@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 21:23 -0700
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