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Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference

From Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference
Date 2016-08-27 18:14 +0200
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Użytkownik "Jonathan Doolin"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
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> And didn't zillions of experiments performed
> by your lunatic fellows convince you, that
> the one and only proper way to use this word
> is the relativistic way?

|As with any word, one should acknowledge the different definitions, and not 
require others to use the same definition in every context.

A nonsense. How many possible combinations are there?

> And if a twins returning from his space
> travel say "I was born in 2050, now is 2090
> so I'm 40, samely as my brother - will you
> also say "nothing wrong with it"????!!!
>

|I was trying to convey exactly what I thought was "wrong" with it when I 
bumped this 11 year-old thread
|https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics.relativity/QATOqgx21Lg/Ky3MPXrTAQAJ
I would prefer the answer.

|I've read some insane guru papers; they're marked by
|• Variables not defined explicitly
|• Text does not properly describe what's going on in the math
|• Conclusions drawn that don't actually follow, and are not actually used 
in the math
|• Statements made that could be interpreted in half a dozen ways that lead 
to misunderstanding.
|• Statements where a correct interpretation is inconsistent with the common 
understanding of the statement..

You can find such things anywhere.  The problem with Great Guru
is: he tried to revolutionize mechanisms he had no real clue about.

Revolution was trendy that time.


>Neither ANY of your puffed fellows. I have 20
> years of experience in talking to you. During this
> 20 years it never happened.

|I don't know what instances you are referring to from the last 20 years, 
but I have, in the past, thought that "spoonfeeding" of Special Relativity 
theory was possible.  And when I began this process, I thought I was in the 
mainstream...  Of course, the mainstream hasn't poured out to |endorse my 
ideas.  Rather, the people who disagreed have poured out to argue with me. 
There are basically three groups..
|(1) Endorsers of well-defined models, who have a different hypothesis than 
mine.
|(2) Cynics, who do not have their own hypothesis, but are happy to mock 
everyone who does.
|(3) People who are so used to arguing, they don't even recognize when they 
agree.

And?

> And, BTW, in the world we inhabit only the simplest
> words have definitions you can rely on.
>

|That's not true.  Surely with a little creativity, I could come up with 
some way to misinterpret even your simplest word.  But it would be a grand 
waste of my time to do so.

Exactly.


|(for instance, in his last reply to me, mlwo called me a "liar.")  This has 
saved him a great deal of time, because labeling me thusly means he no 
longer has to listen to anything I am saying!

Not quite. You wrote
"Took me several readings to realize you are trolling yourself."
And you still do some listening.


|It's easy to misinterpret, and call someone a liar.  However, it takes a 
lot more work to find an interpretation of what hearing that offers 
correction, or leads to the truth.

It's not always misinterpretation. 

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Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-16 06:01 -0700
  Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-16 06:06 -0700
    Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 02:13 -0700
      Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-18 03:16 -0700
        Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 03:46 -0700
          Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-18 04:01 -0700
            Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 04:46 -0700
              Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-18 05:10 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 07:13 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-18 20:40 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 05:54 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-19 06:22 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 06:43 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-21 12:00 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 08:10 -0700
              Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 15:22 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-18 23:41 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 06:05 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-19 06:40 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 06:57 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 10:26 -0500
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-21 12:07 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 07:20 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-21 18:41 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 08:26 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-21 12:13 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 01:52 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-22 02:17 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 06:32 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-22 23:09 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 05:29 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 06:26 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 06:46 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 09:02 -0500
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 23:35 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 23:38 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-29 19:36 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 23:33 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 07:14 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-26 07:42 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-26 23:32 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 17:59 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-28 23:20 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 16:03 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-29 22:58 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 11:55 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-30 23:12 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 03:40 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-26 05:19 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 07:06 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-27 18:14 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 12:02 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-28 11:16 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 04:27 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-29 06:58 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 02:27 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-31 03:22 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 05:38 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-02 16:33 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 02:57 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-05 00:31 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 18:35 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-05 22:51 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 07:19 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-06 20:29 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 05:31 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-07 23:08 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 06:22 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-08 23:25 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 05:51 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 09:32 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-10 08:53 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 07:34 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-11 10:38 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 10:10 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-11 23:32 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 03:50 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-12 05:02 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:20 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-12 21:11 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 02:59 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-14 05:55 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 06:38 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-15 23:03 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-15 23:31 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 10:29 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-16 21:39 +0200
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference Jonathan Doolin <good4usoul@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:24 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 23:08 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 15:55 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-29 22:46 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 11:43 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-30 23:03 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 14:37 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-22 23:12 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 18:06 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-23 23:21 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-23 01:11 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 04:30 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-23 05:33 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 06:19 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-23 06:34 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 11:32 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-23 23:09 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 06:32 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-24 23:33 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 03:52 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 04:14 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 04:21 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 05:20 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-23 18:13 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 18:19 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-23 23:27 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-23 23:49 -0700
                Re: SR on accelerating frame of reference JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 18:17 -0700

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