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Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity

From HGW <HG@nowhere.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity
Date 2015-10-14 21:51 +0000
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:20:42 -0500, Tom Roberts wrote:

> On 10/12/15 10/12/15 - 3:53 PM, HGW wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:25:52 -0500, Tom Roberts
>> <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/12/15 10/12/15   4:13 AM, HGW wrote:
>>>> My proposal is both practical and cheap.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. Your FANTASIES do not conform to reality.
>>
>>> Let me show you what it takes to do real science, rather than the
>>> armchair daydreaming and pontificating that you do. Estimating what an
>>> experiment requires is ESSENTIAL to doing experimental physics.
>>>
>>>
>>>> It can be incorporated into a long tubular capsule with clocks at
>>>> each end and a light source at the centre. The clocks detect the
>>>> arrival of light pulses sent simultaneously from the source and the
>>>> times monitored during and after accelerations.
>>>
>>> OK. Let's try to use readily available commercial atomic clocks with
>>> typical specifications (one should really look them up, but that's too
>>> much time to waste on this silly exercise). Let me assume the "long
>>> tubular capsule" is 100 meters long. First calculate how fast the
>>> capsule has to be moving relative to the inertial frame in which the
>>> clocks were initially synchronized, such that SR predicts they
>>> indicate a 1 ns difference:
>>> 	dt' = (dt - v/c^2 dx)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)  [the relevant Lorentz
>>> 	transform]
>>> 	dt' = 1ns, dt = 0, dx = 100 m, c = 3E8 m/s.
>>> 	=> v = 900000 meters/sec (0.003 c)
>>>
>>> Those atomic clocks are limited to an acceleration of 2 g ~ 20
>>> meters/sec^2. So the time to achieve that speed is
>>> 	T = v/a = 900000/20 = 45000 sec = 12.5 hours
>>>
>>> There exists no rocket that can sustain 2 g acceleration for 12.5
>>> hours.
>>> Moreover, during 12.5 hours those clocks typically drift more than 1
>>> ns.
>>>
>>> You can vary the parameters I assumed, but that will only change
>>> things by a modest amount, and it will remain far from feasible. For
>>> instance, shortening the capsule requires a higher velocity and longer
>>> acceleration (keeping dt' and a fixed).
>>>
>>> So this "experiment" would require a major research effort to develop
>>> a suitable rocket, and develop suitable clocks. Not to mention the
>>> implications of starting
>>>from earth....
>>>
>>> Wilson's "experiment" is not at all "practical", and his "cheap" is
>>> really many billion dollars (U.S.), assuming it can be done at all
>>> (which I doubt -- a Saturn V achieves such acceleration for only a few
>>> minutes, and that capsule is far too long for it to push; Wikipedia
>>> says a single launch would cost ~ $3B today).
>>> 	Or it needs a completely different approach.... But Wilson is
>>> 	obviously too stupid to know that.
>>
>> Tom, I didn't think anyone would take my figures seriously.
> 

>> One doesn't need much acceleration at all to prove Einstein wrong. One
>> doesn't need more than about twenty metres and nor does one need any
>> clocks.[...]
>> Place an identical oscillator at each end of a simple tubular space
>> capsule.
> 
> Look above and READ WHAT I WROTE. That is PRECISELY WHAT I DID. Remember
> that a clock is indeed an "oscillator", and the atomic clocks I
> specified are very stable ones (though you CLEARLY don't realize the
> need for stability).

You did not calculate the amount the two oscillators went out of synch., 
You merely calculated the amount both oscillators would slow according to 
Enstein, after the speed change.

Have you any idea of the way in which Einstein devised his bogus RoS? 
What were the reasons he gave for his claim that "Thus, an observer 
moving with the (moving  pair of) clocks would deem them to be 
unsynchronized".
 
>> Let each send a stream of brief gigahertz light pulses towards the
>> other (down a light fibre if you like). A counter adjacent to each
>> oscillator detects the incoming pulses and compares their rate with its
>> own. The two oscillators can then be rate synched with sufficient
>> precision for the experiment.
> 
> 	Counters do not "compare rates", they merely accumulate counts.
> 	With such wooly-headed notions it's no wonder you are so 
confused. (Of course you obviously don't realize how very confused you 
are)

Oh! dear. Tom is not very bright today. A comparison between the incoming 
pulse count and the local one IS a comparison of the rates of both 
oscillators since they are MAR. No wonder you cannot see the sheer folly 
of Einstein's ridiculous theory. 

> That's in essence what I had in mind, though I did not describe how to
> compare the two clocks (oscillators) -- I never got there because the
> estimate showed it to be completely infeasible. My 1 ns is the period
> between your gigahertz pulses, so we are really talking about
> essentially the same thing.

How much would Einstein expect the two oscillators to go out of sync 
after a speed change of say, e-5c?...and why..?

> My estimate above shows what it takes for your two counters to diverge
> by one count -- obviously the minimum observable difference. The
> problem, of course, is that over the 12.5 hours of acceleration the
> clocks/oscillators will naturally DRIFT by about that much, so you
> cannot know if the difference is due to drift or to the effect you are
> attempting to measure.
> 
> 	Clearly you don't have a clue about the importance of errorbars 
(here
> 	due to clock/oscillator drift).

Don't be silly Tom. I understand perfectly well. Error bars are the 
things that have allowed Einstein to flourish for 100 years.

The important readings are taken when the acceleration has ceased. The 
rates should then be again identical. What is important is any remnant 
phase displacement. 

The capsule should be able to increase speed by 0.00001c over a few 
minutes.
 
 
>> [... fantasies omitted, including incorrect GUESSES of what SR
>> predicts]
> 
>> If that is not a cheap and simple test of Einstein's logically flawed
>> RoS, what is?
> 
> It certainly is neither cheap nor simple. Testing relativity of
> simultaneity is quite challenging. But of course it is not "logically
> flawed", it is merely your PERSONAL MISCONCEPTIONS which are logically
> flawed.

You haven't even understood the problem. You don't seem to know the 
difference between 'reading synch' and 'rate synch'. The experiment is 
intended to determine if the former has changed at all due to the speed 
change, as predicted by Einstein.
 
> Tom Roberts

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                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-10-22 13:38 +0200
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-23 03:01 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-22 09:29 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-10-24 11:48 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-25 04:20 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-24 11:13 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-10-24 13:38 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-10-24 11:51 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-25 06:00 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-24 12:31 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity James Sinclair Jr <jamis@portalbnova.org> - 2015-10-24 19:45 +0000
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-24 14:10 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity James Sinclair Jr <jamis@portalbnova.org> - 2015-10-24 21:42 +0000
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-26 03:31 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-10-26 00:22 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-24 21:34 +0200
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 21:44 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 18:54 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-27 17:51 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 07:45 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-28 08:56 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 17:07 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 16:07 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-28 11:40 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-27 18:26 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-28 20:10 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-28 04:51 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-29 04:28 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-28 10:42 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-29 09:08 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-28 18:26 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Jack Weidner <jackwd@webportal.au> - 2015-10-31 11:48 +0000
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Jack Weidner <jackwd@webportal.au> - 2015-10-31 12:16 +0000
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-11-01 03:53 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Wayne Olmstead <wayols@eclipseevenet.org> - 2015-11-01 16:28 +0000
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-10-25 09:54 +0100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-26 03:30 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-10-26 09:58 +0100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-27 08:41 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-26 15:27 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-26 15:44 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-27 17:52 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-27 04:32 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-10-27 20:30 +0100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-28 09:02 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-10-28 09:23 +0100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-28 20:33 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-10-28 21:16 +0100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-30 04:46 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-10-29 20:02 +0100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-31 04:58 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-10-31 11:41 +0100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-11-01 04:03 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-11-01 01:14 +0100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-11-01 21:11 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-10-22 11:29 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-22 18:46 +0200
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-10-22 12:50 -0400
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-22 19:05 +0200
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-22 10:14 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 10:18 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Scott Finnegan <scofi@NNTPSwitch.org> - 2015-10-22 17:26 +0000
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-10-22 16:14 -0400
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Erebus Xanthopoulos <elefxa@spacepark.au> - 2015-10-23 11:28 +0000
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-23 05:03 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-22 12:04 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-23 04:59 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-22 11:54 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-10-22 14:58 -0400
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-10-22 12:27 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-23 08:03 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-22 14:27 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-22 23:32 +0200
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 15:26 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-10-22 23:44 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-23 20:40 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-23 05:03 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-10-23 05:15 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-23 06:05 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-10-23 06:27 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 07:46 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-23 16:59 +0200
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Erebus Xanthopoulos <elefxa@spacepark.au> - 2015-10-23 12:17 +0000
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 09:47 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-27 08:42 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-10-26 15:18 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 17:39 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-27 17:53 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 07:45 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity underante <underante@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-22 16:03 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 09:16 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-10-21 23:58 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 00:41 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-10-22 13:21 +0200
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 09:23 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 09:42 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 12:17 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 13:41 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 17:36 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 09:13 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:18 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-10-27 12:23 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 22:28 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 11:44 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-28 10:35 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 23:06 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 11:47 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 22:32 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 03:48 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 10:53 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 16:52 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 22:59 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 10:01 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 09:48 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 12:21 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 21:48 -0800
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-29 10:51 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 11:27 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 21:52 -0800
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc.) - 2015-10-23 03:52 +1100
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-10-26 14:16 -0500
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Günther Huldiberaht <gunhu@allrportos.org> - 2015-10-26 19:48 +0000
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-10-08 23:55 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 10:58 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-09 22:59 +0200
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 14:16 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-10 09:57 +0200
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 23:29 -0700
              Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 22:27 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 11:01 -0700
                Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-10-10 08:15 +1100
  Re: Problem with Dipole Radiation and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-24 00:03 +1100

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