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On 23/04/2018 13:40, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 2:59:35 AM UTC-6, Keith Stein wrote:
>> On 23/04/2018 00:24, Gary Harnagel wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-6, Keith Stein wrote:

>>>> No, but I am trying to suggest the Big Bang is nonsense. I favor a
>>>> variable speed of light theory myself.

>>> There is no evidence for that, at least locally.

>> There is very much the same evidence as for the Big Bang, Mr.Harnagel.
>> Either theory can explain the Hubble red-shifts, and the CMBR. The
>> advantage of the light slowing explanation is that there is no need to
>> invoke the additional, and highly speculative, theories of 'inflation'
>> and 'dark energy'.

> I'm neither an inflation nor a FLRW fan myself.

Well there's something we agree on Mr.Harnagel, although to be honest 
i've no idea what "FLRW" is eh!

>>> There would be serious
>>> changes in all kinds of phenomena in distant stars and galaxies which we
>>> CAN observe if it were different elsewhere.

>> Like what exactly Mr'.Harnagel ?

> So to address your question.  If the speed of light were faster in the
> past, many processes would be different.  Just think of all the equations
> describing physical values that have c in them, such as the fine-structure
> constant:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-structure_constant#Is_the_fine-structure_constant_actually_constant?

I do thank you for providing that relevant and thought provoking link, 
Mr.Harnagel. I was struck by the following little extract:-

  "......were α to change by 4%, stellar fusion would not produce 
carbon, so that carbon-based life would be impossible. If α were greater 
than 0.1, stellar fusion would be impossible and no place in the 
universe would be warm enough for life as we know it."

 From which i take you would imply that if the speed of light in 
intergalactic space were to change by 4% then .you and i would not be 
here to discuss it Mr.Harnagel.  Well i think there is strong evidence 
that the speed of light has indeed changed by much more than 4%, and yet 
here we are eh! Also since the universe and therefore the intergalactic 
medium are clearly evolving, what else could one expect.

> "Webb et al. found that their spectra were consistent with a slight increase
> in α over the last 10–12 billion years."  Specifically, 5.7x10^-6 parts per
> ~10 billion years.
> 
>>>>> I favor a continual series of bangs rather than continuous creation.
>>>>> There is some theoretical basis for this in the work of Paul Steinhardt.
>>>
>>> What? No comment on my magnum opus?
>>
>> Well if you really want comments, i would suggest it is rather brief
>> (for a magnum opus eh!),
> 
> I don't cast me pearls before swine :-)
> 
>> and also so far as i am aware there is no
>> evidence for that.

> Actually, the same evidence as for the big bang.
> 
> https://everything2.com/title/ekpyrotic+universe

"The Ekpyrotic model relies on the universe consisting of a five 
dimensional space-time, that is bounded by two (3+1)-dimensional 
surfaces (3-branes) which are separated by a finite gap. This 
corresponds to the 11 dimension universe we live in now,...."

  Your problem Mr.Harnagel is you can't recognize Bull Shit when you see 
it eh!

keith stein

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