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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: There is no material length contraction |
| Date | 2023-08-03 19:06 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <kj190uFb2gpU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 03-Aug-23 5:19 pm, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 08:04:23 UTC+2, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 01-Aug-23 3:12 pm, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>> On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 04:10:22 UTC+2, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 01-Aug-23 11:38 am, Ken Seto wrote: >>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 8:41:31 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>> On 01-Aug-23 9:42 am, Ken Seto wrote: >>>>>>> Einstein invented length contraction to make his Postulate P2 constant light speed in all frames viable. >>>>>>> Here's how: >>>>>>> 1. The material length of a meter stick remain constant in all frames. >>>>>>> 2. Einstein invented length contraction without specifyin what is >>>>>>> contracting. >>>>>>> This allowed him to claim that Length contraction along with time dilation >>>>>>> to give him constant light speed in all frames. >>>>>>> The real reason why the speed of light is not constant in all frames is as follows: >>>>>>> 1. The material length of a meter stick remains constant in all frames. >>>>>>> 2. The light-path-length (LPL)...the length that light must travel to cover the material length of a meter stick .... >>>>>>> 3. The LPL of the observer's meter stick is 1meter ...the same as its material >>>>>>> length.. >>>>>>> 4. The LPL of a meter moving wrt the observer is predicted to be 1/gamma or gamma. >>>>>>> 5. Einstein assumed that the LPL of the moving meter stick only 1/gamma. and thus all meter stick moving wrt the observer will have LPL 1/gamma. This is wrong. The LPL of a moving meter can be gamma. This means that SR is only half of the story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Indeed, there is no material length contraction. Einstein never said >>>>>> there was. >>>>> >>>>> So what did Einstein said what is contracting? The LPL as I said above? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia. >>>> Relativity is a theoretical model. It tells you what to expect if you do >>>> measurements. That's it. >>> >>> Is it, lady? >>> So, if anyone asked your insdane guru: "an observer >>> moving with c/2 wrt solar system is going to measure >>> a day. What result do you expect in the name of your >>> insane physics?" >>> The answer would be...? >> >> Such questions are ill-framed. > > Isn't Your relativity about predicting the results of measurements? > >> The observer is moving, so their distance >> away from the Earth will vary over the course of day, and the time light >> takes to travel from the Earth to the observer will also vary. > > It doesn't prevent him from measuring the intervals > between the ticks of a clock on Earth, does it? Why > can't he measure a day? Measuring the interval between the ticks of a clock presents exactly the same issues. Sylvia.
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There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 16:42 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-01 10:41 +1000
Re: There is no material length contraction patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 18:15 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 18:38 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-01 12:10 +1000
Re: There is no material length contraction Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 21:47 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 22:04 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-03 15:52 +1000
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-03 09:50 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 02:55 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-03 09:57 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 03:09 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 07:01 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 10:30 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-03 14:01 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 12:42 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Rob Bibler <rreb@bieillii.ir> - 2023-08-03 20:02 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 14:29 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-03 22:37 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 20:28 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 04:11 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 13:34 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 10:41 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 23:31 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 21:21 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-05 00:50 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-05 10:57 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-05 14:38 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 10:11 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-06 21:00 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 11:34 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Rondell Verre <eror@vedllele.ee> - 2023-08-05 20:10 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 10:52 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 12:58 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-05 14:43 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-05 21:36 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 14:22 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:00 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 17:53 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 11:39 -0400
Reciprocal dilation of internal chronotropies (SR) Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-07 15:53 +0000
Re: Reciprocal dilation of internal chronotropies (SR) Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 19:24 +0200
Re: Reciprocal dilation of internal chronotropies (SR) Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-07 18:32 +0000
Re: Reciprocal dilation of internal chronotropies (SR) Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 22:43 +0200
Re: Reciprocal dilation of internal chronotropies (SR) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 12:29 -0500
Re: Reciprocal dilation of internal chronotropies (SR) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 16:45 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 11:01 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 16:48 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Nat Vaikule <nukv@vektnaaa.nv> - 2023-08-07 21:25 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 15:34 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Jarrell Martirosov <ajrr@riilromm.aa> - 2023-08-08 10:03 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 18:01 -0500
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-10 18:53 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 19:07 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 13:20 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-10 18:58 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Ronaldo Amerhanov <hera@aeladhrd.ma> - 2023-08-12 20:57 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 06:07 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 09:06 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-14 16:21 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 09:39 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ozzie Jakushov <ezhu@ijjhhouv.az> - 2023-08-04 21:35 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 15:58 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Beraldo Hapy <lhap@aaloyohe.pl> - 2023-08-05 03:00 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 05:30 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Dalton Dubman <nlat@tualtadd.db> - 2023-08-08 14:02 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-08 10:45 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 06:48 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 06:58 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-09 12:31 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 08:38 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-10 11:56 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Kaosayn Shakhbazyan <nazs@aoonaaoo.ah> - 2023-08-10 16:30 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 22:12 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-03 16:04 +1000
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 00:19 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-03 19:06 +1000
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 02:53 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-04 08:03 +1000
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 20:23 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-04 13:22 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-03 01:21 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-03 19:10 +1000
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-03 09:56 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-03 08:57 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-03 16:13 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-03 09:24 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 20:22 +0200
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-03 17:28 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-03 10:57 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 04:25 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-01 09:08 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 06:14 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 07:40 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 10:30 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Shkelqim Jadrennikov <meem@qnoeeooq.ds> - 2023-08-01 20:49 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-01 22:57 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 06:43 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-03 14:11 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 11:38 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Darling Vavravsky <rlrg@kakkdvyv.lv> - 2023-08-01 20:33 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Chaney Charnolusky <ycck@sarhhnkn.ca> - 2023-08-01 20:59 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-02 08:33 +1000
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-01 23:09 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-02 09:15 +1000
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-02 10:17 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 03:23 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-02 11:47 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 05:12 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 16:40 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 16:51 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-02 10:57 +1000
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 18:26 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-01 23:04 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 21:58 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 21:59 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-01 23:00 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 11:53 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-03 15:01 -0400
Re: There is no material length contraction Moody Vallah <mahv@ohoymldo.lv> - 2023-08-03 19:41 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 13:00 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction James Dzhunkovsky <uskv@mdjjsnue.ze> - 2023-08-03 19:23 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-01 11:07 +0200
Re: There is no material length contraction JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 17:46 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 18:40 -0700
Re: There is no material length contraction Lamont Bakhmutov <mktk@tomhmtmm.ml> - 2023-08-01 21:10 +0000
Re: There is no material length contraction Thad Mokrinsky <aonk@yoitaito.rm> - 2023-08-01 21:33 +0000
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