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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: "The whole of physics is predicated on the constancy of the speed of light," |
| Date | 2018-12-04 10:12 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <g6lrj8F8mo6U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <_77ND.424676$kh6.384538@fx32.am4> |
On 3/12/2018 8:59 pm, Keith Stein wrote: > > > > On 29/11/2018 10:28, Pentcho Valev wrote: > >> "If there's one thing every schoolboy knows about Einstein and his > theory of relativity, it is that the speed of light in vacuum is > constant. No matter what the circumstances, light in vacuum travels at > the same speed - a constant that physicists denote by the letter c: > 300,000 km per second, or as Americans refer to it, 186,000 miles per > second. The speed of light is the very keystone of physics, the > seemingly sure foundation upon which every modern cosmological theory is > built, the yardstick by which everything in the universe is measured. > [...] The only aspect of the universe that didn't change was the speed > of light. And ever since, the constancy of the speed of light has been > woven into the very fabric of physics, into the way physics equations > are written, even into the notation used. Nowadays, to "vary" the speed > of light is not even a swear word: It is simply not present in the > vocabulary of physics." > https://www.amazon.com/Faster-Than-Speed-Light-Speculation/dp/0738205257 > > On 29/11/2018 15:44, Keith Stein wrote: > Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts, it > occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then this > will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing distance, > as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion at all. > > > >> "The speaker Joao Magueijo, is a Reader in Theoretical Physics at > Imperial College, London and author of Faster Than the Speed of Light. > The Story of a Scientific Speculation. He opened by explaining how > Einstein's theory of relativity is the foundation of every other theory > in modern physics and that the assumption that the speed of light is > constant is the foundation of that theory. Thus a constant speed of > light is embedded in all of modern physics and to propose a varying > speed of light (VSL) is worse than swearing! It is like proposing a > language without vowels." http://www.thegreatdebate.org.uk/VSLRevPrnt.html > >> > >> "The whole of physics is predicated on the constancy of the speed of > light," Joao Magueijo, a cosmologist at Imperial College London and > pioneer of the theory of variable light speed, told Motherboard. "So we > had to find ways to change the speed of light without wrecking the whole > thing too much." > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8q87gk/light-speed-slowed > > > > > > Excellent post Pentcho. > > > > The "Constancy of the Speed of Light". > > Only 'crackpots' doubt that eh! > > > > keith stein > > > > Merely by assuming dc = -K c dt ..................(1) > I was led to c = c(0) e^-Kt ...............(2) > and on to Red-Shift = e^-Kt - 1 .........(3) > > K ~= 10^-10 /year > t = time in years > > Only after starting the PHYSICS PRIZE thread, in which i was trying to > enlist the help of sci.physics.relativity readers to obtain a more > accurate value of K, did the obvious solution occur to me........... > > K = H = Hubble's Constant > and t = -t ( so times past become +ve) > > which substituted in (3) gives: > > Red-Shift = e^Ht - 1 .........(4) > > then for times which are small compared to 1/H (i.e. small compared > to the 'age of the universe'), we may use the approximation: > e^x ~= 1 + x .................(5) > > So for t << 1/H we have: > > Red-Shift = H * t ............(6) > > which is of course the normal "Hubble's Law", valid only > for modest times into the past ( t < ~5 billion years). > > As our telescopes manage to see further out into space, and therefore > further back in time, we will find that the normal linear Hubble's Law > expressed in equation(6), will have to be replaced by the more accurate > exponential form expressed in equation(4). This is indeed what is found > in observatories all around the world eh! > > Conclusions: > 1. The speed of light in intergalactic-space is slowing down. > 2. There was no "Big Bang" > 3. There was no "Inflation" > 4. The galaxies are not accelerating away from us. > 5. There is no "Dark Energy" > ******************************************************************** > > keith stein You need a model of space-time to interpret the possible consequences of a changing speed of light. However, the model we have involves a constant speed of light. You seem to be working with some other model, but you haven't stated what it is. Sylvia.
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"The whole of physics is predicated on the constancy of the speed of light," Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 09:59 +0000
Re: "The whole of physics is predicated on the constancy of the speed of light," moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 14:26 +0000
Re: "The whole of physics is predicated on the constancy of the speed of light," Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:14 +0000
Re: "The whole of physics is predicated on the constancy of the speed of light," mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 10:17 -0800
Re: "The whole of physics is predicated on the constancy of the speed of light," JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 13:32 -0800
Re: "The whole of physics is predicated on the constancy of the speed of light," Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-04 10:12 +1100
Re: "The whole of physics is predicated on the constancy of the speed of light," Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 15:05 +0000
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