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Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation

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Am 24.09.2017 um 21:43 schrieb Poutnik:
> Dne 24/09/2017 v 21:31 Thomas Heger napsal(a):
>
>>
>> Here I asked a simple question about the physical meaning of terms used
>> in SRT:
>>
>> what is the 'rest frame', in respect to which the  'rest mass' is at rest?
>
> rest frame is not specific to SRT.
>
> Rest frame is a shortcut,
> with meaning such a frame of reference,
> consisting of body based reference points and coordinate system,
> where the object of interest is in rest,
> i.e. its coordinate position is constant.


It is exactly what I wrote. Only I called it 'subjectivism'.

I mean: any object is 'self centered', because this is a requirement for 
being an object.

The Earth is an object and therefor we could treat the Earth as at rest 
and regard the other celestial objects are moving.


This is not really true, since the Sun does not rotated around the Earth.

But we could use an Earth based FoR nevertheless.

Helio centric system is wrong, too, even if that is often used.

Even 'fixed star background' is wrong.

The main reason: further away is also longer ago, since light takes time 
to travel.

We have also the problem of rotation of galaxies, what makes 'fixed' 
stars moving around.

So our universe (as we see it) is an optical illusion anyhow, 
irrespective of the FoR we use.

> Rest mass is obsolete term
> and is not used in Theory of relativity anymore.
>
> Current usage of mass means implicitly invariant mass,
> what is close, but not exactly rest mass,
> as it frequently involves motion.


I made the statement, that material objects for one observer are 
invisible or appear as radiation for other observers.

('ones matter is the other ones radiation')

IOW mass is not observer invariant.


TH



ps:

if you want to know, how I came to this statement, you may read my 'book':

https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6

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  Failures of the Galilean transformation (was: The Song of Lt. Cdr. Data) "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-20 08:36 -0700
  Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-21 15:10 +0200
    Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-21 06:29 -0700
      Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-22 20:27 +0200
        Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-22 12:13 -0700
          Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-22 21:36 +0200
            Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Kos Etrakis <uar@ksskkwi.ck> - 2017-09-22 20:09 +0000
              Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-23 12:10 +0200
            Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-22 13:30 -0700
              Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-23 12:56 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-23 05:09 -0700
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-24 21:31 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-24 21:43 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-25 21:26 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-25 22:00 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-26 21:45 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-29 01:52 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-27 09:50 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-24 22:57 -0700
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-25 10:23 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-25 02:07 -0700
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-25 21:14 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-25 13:10 -0700
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-26 22:12 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-26 22:41 -0700
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-28 21:09 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-28 13:14 -0700
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-29 14:10 +0200
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-29 06:09 -0700
                Re: Failures of the Galilean transformation Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-30 16:39 +0200
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