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Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX
Date	2017-07-11 15:30 +1000
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On 11/07/2017 2:01 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 12:27:43 PM UTC+10, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 11/07/2017 12:20 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 6:54:21 PM UTC+10, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 9/07/2017 1:25 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 12:59:56 PM UTC+10, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/07/2017 12:52 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 12:31:37 PM UTC+10, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/07/2017 12:11 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> According to the experimental work of Stokes and confirmed by Hertz the aether is  carried along with matter on earth and near the earth. Only in space is the aether at rest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To prove that Michelson was correct in assuming that an aether wind  exists and that it causes the expected effect of a fringe shift we should carry out the interferometer experiment in space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why bother? Relativity has been abundantly confirmed in other ways.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If MMX can be confirmed as a success where does SR stand?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An actual demonstration that the speed of light varies would refute SR.
>>>>>> However, given the other verifications of SR, there is no reasonable
>>>>>> expectation that an MMX experiment in space would give a non-null result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Science progresses by testing theories at their limits. The MMX
>>>>>> experiment is done and dusted. Money is not going to spent on trying it
>>>>>> in space, unless you have enough money to do it yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> The objective is not to prove or disprove SR.
>>>>>
>>>>> The objective is to obtain the fringe shift predicted by MMX and confirm Stokes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A fringe shift would refute SR.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Absolutely correct. This is why MMX in space is necessary.
>>>
>>
>> Since a fringe shift would refute SR, and since SR is abundantly
>> verified, there's every reason to expect that MMX in space would not
>> produce a fringe shift. Given the cost of such an experiment, it's not
>> going to get done.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> The space programs of many countries waste resources on irrelevant projects. You are right, it's not going to get done as it would pull the rug from under the feet of thr science elite.
> 
Well, no, it wouldn't. You have no rational basis for thinking that MMX 
in space would behave any differently from the way it does on Earth.

Sylvia.

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The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-08 19:11 -0700
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-09 12:31 +1000
    Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-08 19:52 -0700
      Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-09 12:59 +1000
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-08 20:08 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-09 14:57 +1000
            Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-09 04:34 -0700
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-08 20:25 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-08 20:59 -0700
            Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-08 21:55 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-10 18:54 +1000
            Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-10 02:48 -0700
            Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-10 19:20 -0700
              Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-11 12:27 +1000
                Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-10 21:01 -0700
                Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-11 15:30 +1000
                Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-11 03:27 -0700
                Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-11 05:27 -0700
                Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-11 07:51 -0700
                Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-11 18:56 -0400
                Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-12 10:39 +1000
                Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-11 22:50 -0700
                Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-11 17:51 -0700
              Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 12:33 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-07-11 17:48 -0700
      Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-08 20:51 -0700
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-08 21:52 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-09 06:10 -0700
            Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-09 06:58 -0700
              Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Ursler Zilberschlag <ursler@zilbersch.org> - 2017-07-09 14:01 +0000
            Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-09 19:19 -0700
              Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-09 21:18 -0700
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-07-08 22:13 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-09 04:34 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-07-09 07:35 -0700
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-08 19:53 -0700
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-07-09 09:37 +0200
    Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Ursler Zilberschlag <ursler@zilbersch.org> - 2017-07-09 09:40 +0000
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-07-09 07:33 -0700
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-10 10:36 -0500
    Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 18:38 +0200
      Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 18:59 +0200
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-10 20:34 +0000
      Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 11:06 -0500
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-11 09:43 -0700
    Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 14:35 -0700
      Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2017-07-11 12:28 -0700
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-07-11 17:58 -0700
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-07-11 17:46 -0700
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-07-12 12:31 -0700
    Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-12 16:18 -0700
      Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 07:23 +0200
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-07-12 16:34 -0700
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 02:21 -0700
    Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 02:23 -0700
      Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-13 06:13 -0700
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-13 06:40 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-13 16:13 -0700
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-07-13 07:11 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 22:34 -0700
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-13 11:52 -0500
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-13 16:16 -0700
            Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-13 17:32 -0700
            Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-07-13 21:55 -0700
              Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-14 19:36 -0700
        Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 22:41 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-07-14 08:13 -0700
          Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-14 11:43 -0500
            Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-14 17:06 +0000
            Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-07-14 19:33 -0700
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-07-13 10:59 -0700
  Re: The reason for the null result (failure) of MMX numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-07-17 11:30 -0700

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