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Re: Apollo 11

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Apollo 11
Date	2017-02-03 11:52 +1100
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On 3/02/2017 10:22 AM, numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote:
> Sylvia,
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter
>
>
> The barycenter is one of the foci of the elliptical orbit of each
> body. This is an important concept in the fields of astronomy and
> astrophysics. If a is the distance between the centers of the two
> bodies (the semi-major axis of the system), r1 is the semi-major axis
> of the primary's orbit around the barycenter, and r2 = a − r1 is the
> semi-major axis of the secondary's orbit. When the barycenter is
> located within the more massive body, that body will appear to
> "wobble" rather than to follow a discernible orbit. In a simple
> two-body case, r1, the distance from the center of the primary to the
> barycenter is given by:
>
> r1   = a ⋅ (m2 /(m1   + m2) = a /(1 + m1 m2)
>
> where :
>
> r1 is the distance from body 1 to the barycentera is the distance
> between the centers of the two bodiesm1 and m2 are the masses of the
> two bodies.
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
>
> It looks to me that the barycenter method requires the mass of the
> earth.
>
>
You've omitted a division sign.

r1 = a / (1 + m1/m2)

The value of r1 can be determined separately, by means of astronomical 
observations. So we get a value for r1 independently of this equation.

Then we can rearrange that equation to give m1/m2 in terms of r1, as I 
showed previously.

As I've also shown previously, knowing m1/m2 for the Earth and Moon 
pair, together with the acceleration due to gravity near the Earth (or 
indeed, at its surface), is enough to determine the acceleration of 
objects nears to the Moon without any reference to G.

This is really basic algebra, and I do not understand your persistence 
with the view that the value of G is required, beyond that conceding 
this point undermines your original claim regarding Apollo 11.

Do you actually understand the math at all?

Sylvia.

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Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-27 10:57 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-27 16:05 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Juliana Auerbach <jaot@tognaenn.org> - 2017-01-28 00:18 +0000
      Re: Apollo 11 JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-27 16:41 -0800
        Re: Apollo 11 Juliana Auerbach <jaot@tognaenn.org> - 2017-01-28 01:14 +0000
          Re: Apollo 11 JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-28 11:33 -0800
            Re: Apollo 11 Juliana Auerbach <jaot@tognaenn.org> - 2017-01-28 20:22 +0000
          Re: Apollo 11 JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-28 11:34 -0800
            Re: Apollo 11 Juliana Auerbach <jaot@tognaenn.org> - 2017-01-28 20:19 +0000
              Re: Apollo 11 JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-28 17:21 -0800
                Re: Apollo 11 Juanita Forney <iatiet@oetnnrn.org> - 2017-01-30 12:33 +0000
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-27 16:46 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-28 12:48 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-28 13:16 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-29 13:04 +1100
    Re: Apollo 11 John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-10 17:08 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-28 13:24 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-28 13:34 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-29 07:36 +0100
    Re: Apollo 11 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-29 03:20 -0800
      Re: Apollo 11 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-29 20:16 +0100
        Re: Apollo 11 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-29 12:07 -0800
          Re: Apollo 11 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-02-01 06:24 +0100
        Re: Apollo 11 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-01-29 22:43 +0100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-29 12:05 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-29 15:27 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-29 15:40 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-30 12:37 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-31 11:18 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-30 15:58 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-30 16:18 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-31 11:22 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-30 16:42 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-31 12:13 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-31 10:01 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-01 12:14 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-01-31 14:51 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-01 12:24 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-02 12:11 +1100
    Re: Apollo 11 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-02-01 21:35 -0800
      Re: Apollo 11 "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-01 22:05 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-01 15:39 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-02 11:37 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-03 09:40 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-02 15:22 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-03 11:52 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-03 11:55 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-04 11:44 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-03 15:25 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 12:49 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-05 12:07 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 12:16 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-06 08:35 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-06 11:49 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-07 10:58 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-07 13:32 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-08 12:49 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 11:13 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-09 12:34 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-09 11:11 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-10 10:53 +1100
    Re: Apollo 11 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-02-12 11:09 -0800
      Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-13 11:52 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-10 11:01 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 11:42 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 11:21 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-12 12:00 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-12 11:44 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-13 11:51 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-12 13:43 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-13 10:23 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 09:54 -0800
    Re: Apollo 11 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-15 14:26 +1100
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 10:49 -0800
  Re: Apollo 11 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 10:52 -0800

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