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Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding

Subject	Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding
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From	Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date	2017-08-19 12:58 -0500
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On 8/19/17 8/19/17   11:36 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> Yes, yes, yes, yes.  The speed of light is c.  No one disagrees with that. 
> The disagreement is over what you would MEASURE if you were moving toward
> the source of the light.  You would MEASURE light photons to be ARRIVING at c
> + v, where v is your velocity, even though the light photons are really only 
> MOVING at c.

     [As usual I change your "photons" to light rays -- you CLEARLY do
      not understand the implications of QM on this. But it's irrelevant.]

You attempt to make a distinction without a difference, basically because you do
not know what "speed" means.

Speed is ALWAYS measured relative to some set of coordinates -- THIS IS WHAT THE
WORD MEANS. Here we'll restrict ourselves to inertial frames and only discuss
propagation in vacuum.

As you said, the speed of light is c, and this applies relative to the inertial
frame in which you are at rest. That means that the light "arrives" with speed
c, and you measure its speed to be c. And this applies even if your inertial
frame is moving relative to the source of the light.

	A major part of your error is attempting to discuss "speed"
	without specifying the frame relative to which it is measured.
	You have confused yourself with the way you phrase your claims.

Actual measurements show conclusively that your "c+v" is wrong:
The annual Doppler effect DIRECTLY refutes your claim: As the earth moves in its
orbit around the sun the frequency and wavelength of EM waves from distant
astronomical objects are affected by earth's velocity projected onto the line of
sight. The frequency of pulsars increases as earth is approaching, and decreases
as earth is receding; the wavelength of atomic lines is reduced as earth is
approaching, and increased as earth is receding. Quantitatively, the phase speed
of such light, frequency*wavelength, REMAINS THE SAME, and is equal to c to
within the measurement resolutions. Those resolutions are MUCH better than
earth's orbital speed 30 km/sec.

> Why is that impossible for mathematicians to understand?

Because your claims are WRONG.
Why is it impossible for YOU to understand relativity?
Why do YOU refuse to accept actual measurements that show YOU ARE WRONG?

Tom Roberts

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Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-18 08:50 -0700
  Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-18 09:15 -0700
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-18 09:45 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-18 13:00 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 06:48 -0700
  Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:52 -0700
    Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 05:50 -0700
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 06:50 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 07:52 -0700
  Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 02:19 -0700
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 07:07 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 07:58 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:01 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:08 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:09 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:14 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:39 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:54 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 08:59 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 09:06 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 12:48 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 12:55 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 13:17 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 13:26 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 13:51 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 13:59 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 14:14 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 14:38 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:26 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:27 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 09:54 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 10:17 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 10:46 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 12:08 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 13:11 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 14:20 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 14:37 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 14:58 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 15:09 -0700
  Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-19 13:21 +0200
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 07:19 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 19:19 +0000
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-22 16:19 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-22 16:26 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 23:35 +0000
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-22 17:15 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 01:34 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-22 22:02 -0400
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 09:12 -0500
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-23 12:26 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-23 10:40 +0200
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-23 07:43 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-23 16:54 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-23 08:00 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-23 18:04 +0200
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 10:37 -0500
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 10:38 -0500
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-23 19:45 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 12:56 -0500
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 11:58 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-24 09:22 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Youko Ganchiku <uckyoku@ghnwohwkwu.gi> - 2017-08-24 16:26 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-24 10:02 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 12:08 -0500
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Youko Ganchiku <uckyoku@ghnwohwkwu.gi> - 2017-08-24 17:47 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-24 12:59 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Youko Ganchiku <uckyoku@ghnwohwkwu.gi> - 2017-08-24 20:30 +0000
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 09:10 -0500
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-23 12:21 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-24 06:03 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 10:27 -0500
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-19 21:57 +0200
  Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-19 08:46 -0700
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 08:52 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-19 09:03 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 12:31 -0700
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 08:56 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-19 09:04 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 09:36 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 09:46 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 10:01 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-19 10:45 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-19 12:58 -0500
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 12:35 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 13:22 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 13:37 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 21:06 +0000
  Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-19 12:03 -0500
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 11:04 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-19 12:11 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 13:10 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 13:47 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 14:05 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 14:44 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 15:08 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-20 09:25 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 10:32 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 18:42 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-20 13:09 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 19:13 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 02:29 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 02:33 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-20 23:25 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 11:43 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-21 05:07 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-21 06:46 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-21 06:48 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-21 07:00 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-21 07:21 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 09:41 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-21 09:58 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 22:03 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 16:12 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 06:50 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 07:09 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 13:51 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 17:34 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 07:10 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 09:24 -0500
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 14:59 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-21 07:09 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding anne <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 07:19 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-21 07:26 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-21 07:37 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding anne <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 08:00 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-08-21 18:04 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 17:39 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 07:22 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 08:38 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 09:05 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 18:55 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-23 07:25 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 10:52 -0500
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 11:53 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 22:47 +0000
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-19 14:16 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 14:49 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 22:47 +0000
  Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-21 13:45 -0700
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-21 13:55 -0700
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-21 14:05 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-21 14:06 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-21 14:15 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-22 10:05 +0200
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 07:25 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 08:25 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 11:57 -0500
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-22 10:21 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-23 00:03 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Séverin Thibault <ruud@bwiu.ei> - 2017-08-23 08:54 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-23 07:04 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-23 21:41 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-23 13:41 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:42 -0500
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-23 15:31 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding anne <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:10 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-24 07:14 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-24 08:09 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 10:33 -0500
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-24 16:06 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-24 08:17 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-24 23:28 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-24 23:25 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-25 08:13 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-25 08:39 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Youko Ganchiku <uckyoku@ghnwohwkwu.gi> - 2017-08-25 15:51 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-25 08:53 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-25 08:57 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-25 09:08 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-25 09:17 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-25 09:36 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-25 10:20 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-25 18:15 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-25 09:28 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-25 10:32 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:20 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-22 19:42 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 13:32 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 15:47 -0500
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Séverin Thibault <ruud@bwiu.ei> - 2017-08-22 20:53 +0000
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Séverin Thibault <ruud@bwiu.ei> - 2017-08-22 21:01 +0000
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-22 10:49 +0200
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-22 02:47 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-22 11:57 +0200
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-22 03:09 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-22 15:59 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-22 08:34 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 07:35 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-22 16:55 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-22 08:31 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 08:32 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-22 18:17 +0200
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 09:30 -0700
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 07:28 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-22 07:37 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 08:43 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 09:25 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 11:54 -0500
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:16 -0700
                Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:14 -0700
              Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-22 09:26 -0700
  Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 09:53 -0700
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 12:04 -0500
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-22 19:04 +0200
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 12:13 -0500
    Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-08-22 20:29 +0200
      Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-22 13:53 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 16:19 -0500
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:20 -0700
        Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-08-23 15:05 +0200
          Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-23 07:50 -0700
            Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-08-23 20:24 +0200
  Re: Pentcho Valev's biggest misunderstanding Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-08-24 08:36 -0700

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