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Re: Interferometry Does Not Measure Light Speed.

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Interferometry Does Not Measure Light Speed.
Date 2015-08-08 15:45 +0200
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Am 08.08.2015 11:35, schrieb Sylvia Else:
..
>> It is actually possible to measure the one way speed of light directly.
>>
>> You need a long axis with two disks at both ends. The disks contain an
>> extremely fine grid along the rim. The axis could be spun with very high
>> pace and controlled in angular velocity very precisely.
>>
>> Now a laser is sent along the axis and mirrored down to the rim, than it
>> is reflect by the rim and modulated by the pattern there.
>>
>> Then the beam is sent to the other end of that axis and mirrored down to
>> that wheel there and gets modulated by a similar pattern.
>>
>> Now the axis is spun with higher pace, until the reflected beam (from
>> 'land') is reflected to 'pits' on the other wheel.
>>
>> From this the one way speed of light can be calculated, since the time
>> light takes from one wheel to the other is the time it takes for the
>> wheel to turn from land to pit (in the above mentioned case). And the
>> latter is the inverse to the turns per second of the axis times the
>> number of pits along the rim.
>>
>> And even if the required rotations per second and the number of pits are
>> quite high, this could actually be built. Its only a little difficult
>> and certainly expensive.
>
> Since the device cannot be made rigid, there will tend to be some
> rotational offset between the disks, which has to be allowed for. The
> measurement of the offset would have to be made without making any
> assumptions about the one-way speed of light, and that's going to be
> difficult.

You can measure the modulation of a laser-beam with great precision. 
Also time can be measured VERY precisely. From a time measurement the 
angular velocity could be derived.

Now we could accelerate the rotor well above the needed velocity and let 
is slow down (in 'drop mode') in an evacuated chamber, only by the 
slight friction of the bearings.

The measuring electronic can then measure the changing pattern in the 
beam and calculate the speed of light. That is rather simple, since the 
length of the beam is known and the rpm could be measured. The number of 
pits along the rim is also known, hence the speed of light could be 
calculated.

In such a 'drop mode' of the measurement the rotor is almost free of 
forces, hence we would not expect much deformation.

The thing is most certainly very expensive, but not out of the range of 
possibilities. So, I do not really see, why there should be a problem of 
fundamental nature.


TH

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    Re: Interferometry Does Not Measure Light Speed. HW@...(HG Wilson) - 2015-08-08 08:27 +1000
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                Re: Interferometry Does Not Measure Light Speed. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-08-10 20:11 +1000
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                Re: Interferometry Does Not Measure Light Speed. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-08-10 20:08 +1000
                Re: Interferometry Does Not Measure Light Speed. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-10 15:28 +0200
                Re: Interferometry Does Not Measure Light Speed. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-08-11 06:30 +1000
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                Re: Interferometry Does Not Measure Light Speed. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-08-14 19:24 +1000
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