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Re: Einstein's gravitational constant

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On 07/27/2015 11:55 PM, Phil Bouchard wrote:
> On 07/26/2015 11:20 PM, Phil Bouchard wrote:
>> On 07/26/2015 10:50 PM, Phil Bouchard wrote:
>>> On 07/26/2015 10:30 PM, John Heath wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:33:39 PM UTC-4, Phil Bouchard wrote:
>>>>> On 07/26/2015 06:11 PM, Phil Bouchard wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/26/2015 05:45 PM, John Heath wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4, Phil Bouchard wrote:
>>>>>>>> Where is the Einstein's gravitational constant coming from?
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%27s_constant
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was this constant tested?  Is it precise?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> -Phil
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Phil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For a given frame of reference yes. For a cross reference frame of
>>>>>>> reference measurement no. It is possible the the consistency of the
>>>>>>> speed of light is a relative concept not absolute therefore it would
>>>>>>> follow that the gravitational constant is also not absolute but
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> a relative concept. By this I mean c , fine structure constant and h
>>>>>>> could all be relative concepts not absolute. They will be constant
>>>>>>> from a given FoR but not necessarily from a different cross FoR
>>>>>>> measurement. We know time dilates in a different FoR . A FoR can be
>>>>>>> broadened into a gravitational FoR for G constant and voltage FoR
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> fine structure constant. This was entertained by Uncle Albert for a
>>>>>>> few years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Das Prinzip der Konstanz der Lichtgeschwindigkeit kann nur insofern
>>>>>>> aufrechterhalten werden, als man sich auf für Raum-Zeitliche-Gebiete
>>>>>>> mit konstantem Gravitationspotential beschränkt."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ("The principle of the constancy of the speed of light can be kept
>>>>>>> only when one restricts oneself to space-time regions of constant
>>>>>>> gravitational potential.")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The quote is from wikipedia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_speed_of_light
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With this in place you are liberated to proceed with your
>>>>>>> solution to
>>>>>>> the outer part of galaxies turning faster than they should. Just
>>>>>>> change the gravitational constant and write it off as a change in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> vacuum therefore gravitational constant is not the same in the outer
>>>>>>> regions of galaxies. There is no longer a need for mysterious dark
>>>>>>> matter. I would add that this would not mean that GR is wrong as
>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>> light speed and gravitational constant are not stated as absolute.
>>>>>>> These variables are only absolute from a given FoR be it movement ,
>>>>>>> gravitational or voltage for fine structure constant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You got it!
>>>>>
>>>>> What's next?
>>>>
>>>> You are not saying a lot Phil. That's ok as I like to talk. Somehow
>>>> the world seems right when everyone is sitting quietly hanging on to
>>>> my every word of wisdom. Its better that way.
>>>>
>>>> What's next? The outer part of our galaxy is a long long way to go to
>>>> test for a difference in G constant. However voyager 1 is headed that
>>>> way and is now confirmed to be in interstellar space. Our sun is just
>>>> another star. Rumor has it Voyager is moving faster than it should.
>>>> Current thoughts are the IR radiation from its energy source is
>>>> pushing voyager somewhat like a photon accelerator. This could be true
>>>> but my money is on a change in the density of the vacuum , gravity
>>>> density that sets our G constant. If I were you I would keep an eye on
>>>> voyager along with some computer simulations , your forte , to see how
>>>> much of a G constant is required to justify the increase in speed of
>>>> voyager then project that out to the outer parts of our galaxy to see
>>>> if there is a correlation.
>>>
>>> Interesting.  Getting away from the Sun definitely will speed up any
>>> object according to Finite Theory.  That can be implemented easily.
>>>
>>> But in terms of technicalities I would have to access NASA's database
>>> for Voyager's exact coordinates...
>>
>> Here's something I can start with:
>> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/where/
>
> So I've already added Voyager 1 to my simulator with the following
> settings:
> position = {19763008767000, 0, 0}
> velocity = {17000, 0, 0}
>
> It is decelerating and the difference with what is predicted by Newton
> and Finite Theory in terms of speed is in the order of:
> 1e-7 m/s
>
> Does that match what NASA is currently seeing?

It seems to be of the same order of the Pioneer anomaly (deceleration of 
8.74e-10 m/s^2):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_anomaly

How about that?

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Einstein's gravitational constant Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:10 -0400
  Re: Einstein's gravitational constant Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 21:53 +0200
  Re: Einstein's gravitational constant John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 20:26 -0700
  Re: Einstein's gravitational constant John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 21:11 -0700
  Re: Einstein's gravitational constant Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:15 -0500
  Re: Einstein's gravitational constant Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 21:07 -0400
    Re: Einstein's gravitational constant Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 21:11 -0400
      Re: Einstein's gravitational constant pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-07-28 18:43 -0700
        Re: Einstein's gravitational constant Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 21:52 -0400
        Re: Einstein's gravitational constant "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-07-28 21:01 -0700
  Re: Einstein's gravitational constant John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 18:08 -0700
    Re: Einstein's gravitational constant pbouchard8@gmail.com - 2015-07-28 18:30 -0700
      Re: Einstein's gravitational constant pbouchard8@gmail.com - 2015-07-28 19:56 -0700
        Re: Einstein's gravitational constant pbouchard8@gmail.com - 2015-07-28 20:25 -0700
        Re: Einstein's gravitational constant pbouchard8@gmail.com - 2015-08-01 15:04 -0700
          Cretin Phil Bouchard perseveres "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-01 16:45 -0700
          Re: Einstein's gravitational constant pbouchard8@gmail.com - 2015-08-01 17:20 -0700
      Delusional idiot Philippe Bouchard chimes in "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-07-28 21:00 -0700

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