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Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story

Subject Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story
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From Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date 2017-01-06 09:51 -0600
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On 1/6/17 1/6/17 - 9:01 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 6:48:43 PM UTC-6, tjrob137 wrote:
>> On 1/4/17 1/4/17   3:33 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> [...]
>>
>> All your fantasies and your modifications to Einstein's and H&K's texts are
>>  useless. Einstein did NOT say "the clock that was moved will have ticked
>> at a slower rate", and H&K did NOT say "time was slowing down when the
>> clocks were moving and speeding up when the clocks were in the air" --
>> THESE ARE YOUR PERSONAL FANTASIES THAT YOU AND YOU ALONE ADDED TO WHAT YOU
>> THINK THEY SAID.
>>
>> You REALLY need to look at the following, READ it, and LEARN how it
>> demolishes your claims:
>>
>> Simple demonstration that in SR "time dilation" does NOT involve any
>> "change" in the tick rate of clocks: Let inertial frames A, B, and C all
>> move along their common X axes such that B has speed v relative to A, and C
>> has speed v relative to B; 0 < v < c. Let observers in each frame measure
>> the tick rates of clocks at rest in the other frames, in the usual way: A
>> observes B to tick slower than A A observes C to tick slower than A B
>> observes A to tick slower than B B observes C to tick slower than B C
>> observes A to tick slower than C C observes B to tick slower than C (Of
>> course quantitative values could be given; these qualitative comparisons
>> are enough to show my point.) These CANNOT POSSIBLY be due to any "change"
>> in the tick frequency of any clock. But they CAN all be explained via the
>> geometric projection that is "time dilation", as long as they all tick at
>> their usual rate (which in SR they do).
>>
>> Tom Roberts
>
> Einstein wrote: "the clock moved from A to B lags behind the other which has
> remained at B by 1/2 tv2/c2 (up to magnitudes of fourth and higher order), t
> being the time occupied in the journey from A to B."

Yes.

> In other words, Clock A ran slower while moving.

NO. HE DID NOT SAY THAT. You attempt to read your OWN FANTASY in Einstein's text.

> Your "simple demonstration" is ridiculously complex

It is as simple as possible to demonstrate that "changing tick rates" cannot 
possibly model "time dilation". I cannot help it if it is too complex for you -- 
that is YOUR problem, not mine (and not SR's).

Tom Roberts

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  Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-12-23 08:52 -0800
    Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-25 10:45 -0800
      Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-12-25 23:11 -0800
        Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-26 07:45 -0800
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-29 07:39 -0800
            Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-29 10:39 -0600
              Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-29 10:04 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-29 10:06 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-29 20:05 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-06 14:51 -0800
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-28 18:02 -0600
        Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-28 18:00 -0600
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2016-12-29 09:42 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2016-12-29 09:49 -0700
              Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2016-12-29 10:35 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2016-12-29 10:39 -0700
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-12-29 03:42 -0800
            Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 03:50 -0800
              Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-12-29 04:24 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 04:54 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-12-29 05:10 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 05:13 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-29 05:21 -0800
      Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-28 17:40 -0600
        Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-28 15:45 -0800
      Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-29 08:11 -0800
        Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 08:30 -0800
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-29 17:40 +0100
        Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-29 20:18 +0100
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-29 12:43 -0800
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-29 13:13 -0800
            Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-29 22:56 +0100
            Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-29 23:19 +0100
              Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-29 14:31 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-29 23:55 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-29 23:12 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-30 06:57 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-30 20:44 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-30 09:04 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-30 18:45 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-30 14:34 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-30 12:47 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-30 20:54 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-30 13:40 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-30 14:14 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-04 12:04 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story alsor@interia.pl - 2017-01-04 10:55 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-04 13:33 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-04 14:56 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-04 23:33 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-05 07:32 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:16 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:31 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-05 08:19 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:26 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-05 08:35 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-01-05 17:48 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-05 09:19 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-05 13:53 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-05 22:37 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 06:51 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-06 09:47 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 16:17 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-07 05:18 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 13:53 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-09 05:32 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-06 08:19 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 17:10 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 17:16 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 09:59 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 18:17 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 12:53 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 21:36 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-01-05 00:13 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-01-05 00:16 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-05 08:03 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-05 14:16 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-05 18:48 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 07:01 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-06 09:51 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 08:17 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:22 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 08:34 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 09:52 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:11 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 12:28 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 13:06 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 15:19 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 13:49 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 16:01 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-07 06:07 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 13:55 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 07:03 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-07 07:15 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 07:48 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 14:06 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 12:56 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-01-08 11:13 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 16:04 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-10 06:52 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 12:04 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 08:50 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 14:02 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 12:50 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 21:13 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-10 07:16 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 12:10 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-01-10 20:46 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 21:28 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-10 07:59 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 12:20 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-07 13:31 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-07 05:42 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 07:38 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-07 09:10 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 07:57 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 08:28 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:03 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:09 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-01-06 22:43 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 14:05 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-01-07 13:46 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-06 14:22 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 08:03 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:10 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 12:48 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 14:55 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 13:13 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 15:30 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-06 14:52 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Aubrey Primmer <myr@ejmr.info> - 2017-01-06 23:11 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 07:21 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-07 07:36 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 07:44 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 07:53 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 08:02 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-07 08:40 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-07 11:10 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 09:38 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-08 09:33 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 08:33 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 08:56 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 09:07 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 09:21 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 09:31 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 09:36 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 09:52 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 09:56 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 10:07 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 10:55 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:07 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:10 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 12:32 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 12:57 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 09:28 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 10:07 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 14:44 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-07 23:04 +0000
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                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 08:01 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-07 13:49 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-07 14:28 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-07 14:45 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 14:04 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 12:54 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-01-08 11:30 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-01-08 13:36 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-08 12:47 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 08:10 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-01-08 20:51 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 12:02 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-08 12:53 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 16:12 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-10 07:00 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-10 07:21 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-10 08:10 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-10 08:40 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-10 09:24 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-10 09:35 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-10 09:40 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-10 09:49 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-10 09:53 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 12:28 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-07 23:23 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-07 05:33 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 13:54 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 19:18 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-07 07:33 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 07:52 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-07 21:41 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-06 08:12 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-01-08 04:34 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 04:56 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-01-08 05:10 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 05:28 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-01-08 05:58 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 06:04 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-08 05:30 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 05:41 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-08 06:03 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 08:17 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-08 10:03 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 09:17 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-01-08 11:23 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:32 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 12:35 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:32 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 12:08 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 12:38 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 12:58 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 13:22 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 13:48 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 14:04 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 14:09 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-08 14:54 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-08 14:00 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-08 14:43 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-08 23:11 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-09 03:36 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-09 07:21 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-09 09:46 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-09 09:58 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-09 15:10 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-10 07:09 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-10 11:20 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-09 10:34 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 11:09 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 11:20 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-09 13:04 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 13:09 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-09 13:25 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-09 21:32 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 13:44 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 13:42 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-09 13:55 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 13:58 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-09 21:59 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 13:55 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 11:09 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-09 12:52 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-09 13:18 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 13:29 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 06:02 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 06:59 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-08 23:09 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-08 21:24 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2017-01-08 11:17 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-10 18:43 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-10 23:14 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-11 04:24 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-04 13:50 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-06 22:25 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-01-07 11:29 +0100
              Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-29 22:38 +0000
      Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-29 09:51 +0100
  Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 19:49 -0800
  Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-24 01:43 -0800
    Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-24 05:20 -0800
  Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-25 10:21 -0800
    Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-27 20:00 -0600
      Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-28 02:55 +0000
        Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-28 03:11 +0000
      Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-12-27 23:56 -0800
        Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 00:27 -0800
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-12-28 02:10 -0800
            Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 02:15 -0800
              Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2016-12-28 02:17 -0800
      Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-28 07:54 -0800
        Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-28 17:39 +0100
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-28 10:06 -0800
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-28 10:57 -0800
            Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-29 20:53 -0600
              Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-30 03:12 +0000
            Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-28 23:19 +0100
              Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-29 07:27 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-29 16:41 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-29 10:30 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-29 09:40 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-29 19:25 +0100
              Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-12 16:18 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-12 16:45 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-12 19:12 -0600
            Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-29 09:46 +0100
        Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-28 23:04 -0600
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-29 21:12 -0600
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-29 01:19 -0800
          Re: Einstein's Idiotic Twin Story Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2016-12-29 08:10 -0800

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