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Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe?

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Ross Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On 10/30/2026 02:14 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Ross Finlayson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/29/2026 09:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> amirjf wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 'In the beginning,.."
> >>>
> >>> "In"
> >>>
> >>> in
> >>> /in/
> >>> preposition
> >>>
> >>>       expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
> >>> enclosed or surrounded by something else.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Beginning
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> to start
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> infinite has no beginning or end.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So, most likely your universe is finite.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Eternity since forever.
> >>
> >> A few hundreds years ago, Earth was 6,000 years old.
> >>
> >> By a hundred years ago, the dinosaurs lived millions
> >> of years ago.
> >>
> >> In the 1960's, the Universe was 3 billion years old.
> >> In the '80's, it was 6-10.
> >> By the Y2K, it was more than 13.6 billion years old,
> >> and it got 200 million years older every year.
> >> Then, JWST at least doubled that.
> >>
> >> At this rate, it will be arbitrarily old, soon enough.
> >>
> >> Also "particles" get an order of magnitude smaller
> >> every few years, with "NIST PDG CODATA" and
> >> "running constants".
> >>
> >> So, according to science, its age/size is going to infinity,
> >> and its grain is going to smooth.
> >>
> >> Most likely you are afraid of infinity and continuity.
> >
> >
> > Okay, let's start at 'the beginning'...
> >
> > I count 1,2,3,4,5,6------13.6 billion
> >
> >
> >
> > Infinity has no beginning.
> >
> >
> > How can I start a count???
> >
> > Do I start counting before the beginning??
> >
> >
> > i'm not good at math...
> >
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> >
> 
> 0 + 0, infinity - 0, 0 + 1, infinity - 1, 0 + 2, infinity - 2, ....
> 
> Count toward the middle.
> 
> Shirley you must have heard of Zeno's arguments,
> showing that your finite counting can never achieve
> completion, then Polly you had pre-calculus and learned
> the definition of the inductive limit, after being told
> that the "atoms" of the unit line segment didn't exist,
> the infinitesimals, though calculus was called infinitesimal
> analysis for hundreds of years.
> 
> Then, when induction _fails_, and only deduction _suffices_,
> then it's related to particular templates of geometric examples
> about the geometric series here or Zeno's arrow, or otherwise
> the geometric series, when deduction _completes_ then that's
> a "super-classical" reasoning, that anybody has, who ever figured
> out that finite arguments may _fail_ in the infinite, and that
> the _infinite_ for the _continuous_ lives in the numbers,
> and the geometry, and the physics.


Is 13.6 billion the age of the universe?



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? amirjf <amirjfnin@aim.com> - 2026-10-28 01:12 -0400
  Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 00:48 -0700
  Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-10-28 11:21 +0200
    Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-28 10:39 +0100
    Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 08:27 -0700
      Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 08:47 -0700
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        Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-11-02 16:17 -0800
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      Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-11-02 16:10 -0800
  Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-28 09:28 +0000
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    Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 11:31 -0700
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        Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 18:31 -0700
          Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-30 20:45 -0700
            Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 07:06 -0700
              Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 07:37 -0700
              Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-31 11:49 -0700
                Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:48 -0700
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                Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:06 -0800
                Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:20 -0800
                Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 01:25 -0800
            Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-31 21:28 -0700
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