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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.math |
| Subject | Re: GPS clocks should run Slow Not Fast. |
| Date | 2026-10-22 12:28 -0700 |
| Organization | The Starmaker Organization |
| Message-ID | <6ADA63CB.2483@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
| References | (8 earlier) <1ob3dlhiusdplv2k5oihhpi1eha22p1opl@4ax.com> <6AD55C26.7316@ix.netcom.com> <rYycnQsRZcHmcUj3nZ2dnZfqnPVj4p2d@giganews.com> <pc4idlt2gg7n9pj4jjoglok131l9e44514@4ax.com> <6ADA574E.6810@ix.netcom.com> |
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The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 03:09:50 -0700, Ross Finlayson > > <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >On 10/18/2026 04:54 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > >> The Starmaker wrote: > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 23:10:51 +0200, "Paul B. Andersen" > > >>> <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> My article: > > >>>> https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf > > >>> > > >>> This paper is a half-digested regurgitation of standard GNSS > > >>> relativity that collapses under its own sloppy equations, circular > > >>> definitions, and amateur-hour presentation. > > >>> > > >>> The metric and rate equations are an unreadable train wreck. > > >>> Look at equations (1)–(5), (7), (13)–(18). They arrive as > > >>> fragmented garbage: missing operators, broken fractions, undefined > > >>> symbols jammed together, and statements like “dt 2GM v² 1 / dt c²r c²” > > >>> that no competent reader can parse without reconstructing the entire > > >>> derivation from scratch. A paper whose central results cannot be read > > >>> without external knowledge is not a paper; it is noise. > > >>> The foundational claim that “SI-clocks per definition always run > > >>> at the rate 1 second per second” is pure tautological sludge. > > >>> Section 1.1 asserts this as if it were profound. It is > > >>> definitional emptiness. Proper time is what a clock measures; > > >>> declaring that an SI-clock therefore ticks at 1 s/s adds zero > > >>> information and papers over the entire problem of comparing rates > > >>> between different world-lines. > > >>> The derivation of orbital rates relative to UTC is a chain of > > >>> uncontrolled approximations sold as precision. > > >>> Equation (5) is declared “a very good approximation” with error > > >>> <10?²5; equation (17) claims error <10?¹7. No error budget, no > > >>> expansion order, no residual terms from higher multipoles, no > > >>> frame-dragging, no solar potential, no tidal contributions. You simply > > >>> assert the error and move on. That is not calculation; that is wishful > > >>> truncation. > > >>> The GNSS numerical results are presented as original while resting > > >>> on incomplete or outdated source data. > > >>> GPS radius is taken from a period of half a sidereal day; GLONASS > > >>> oscillates between a 2020 performance standard and a 2008 ICD that the > > >>> author himself labels outdated, then notes that Mudrak et al. used the > > >>> old number. The paper ends by declaring one geostationary value “the > > >>> correct value” with no independent verification. This is not analysis; > > >>> it is selective copying. > > >>> Coordinate-time definitions are internally inconsistent and poorly > > >>> distinguished. > > >>> Schwarzschild t is defined so that an SI-clock at infinity stays > > >>> in sync; UTC is defined so that a stationary SI-clock on the geoid > > >>> stays in sync. Then the text repeatedly states that clocks showing > > >>> either coordinate are “synchronous in the nonrotating Schwarzschild > > >>> coordinate system” while simultaneously acknowledging they are not > > >>> synchronous in the rotating Earth-fixed frame. The distinction between > > >>> coordinate simultaneity and proper-rate comparison is never cleanly > > >>> maintained, leaving the central comparison (dt/dt_utc) floating on > > >>> ambiguous foundations. > > >>> > > >>> You assume the weak-field, slow-motion Schwarzschild metric is > > >>> sufficient once the monopole and J2 terms are inserted, with no > > >>> residual from higher harmonics, no post-Newtonian corrections beyond > > >>> the first order you kept, and no need to transform between the > > >>> Earth-centered inertial frame and the actual satellite ephemerides > > >>> used by the systems. You assume that declaring an SI-clock independent > > >>> of acceleration and temperature magically removes all environmental > > >>> sensitivity at the 10?¹7 level you claim. You assume that citing > > >>> Wikipedia for TAI and a handful of interface-control documents > > >>> constitutes a literature foundation. > > >>> > > >>> Any competent reviewer or GNSS engineer who opens this PDF will stop > > >>> at the first mangled equation block and discard the rest. The people > > >>> who actually fly the clocks (GPS Wing, ESA, Roscosmos time > > >>> metrologists) already possess cleaner derivations (Ashby’s Living > > >>> Review being the obvious one). They have zero incentive to adopt a > > >>> document whose equations cannot be typeset legibly and whose numerical > > >>> claims require the reader to re-derive everything to trust them. > > >>> Regulators and standards bodies will treat this as non-peer-reviewed > > >>> noise. > > >>> > > >>> At the claimed 10?¹7 relative accuracy the paper pretends to reach, > > >>> the ignored effects (higher multipoles, Shapiro delay variations, > > >>> satellite eccentricity terms, antenna phase-center motion, thermal and > > >>> magnetic sensitivity of the actual atomic clocks) already exceed that > > >>> floor on operational GNSS satellites. The circular-orbit idealization > > >>> breaks the moment real eccentricity appears; the geoid-rate reduction > > >>> ignores the full equipotential surface definition used by the IERS. > > >>> The numbers therefore cannot be trusted at the precision the text > > >>> advertises, and the paper supplies no path to the next significant > > >>> digit. > > >>> > > >>> The entire equation presentation must be discarded and rewritten in > > >>> unambiguous, properly typeset form with every intermediate step shown. > > >>> The circular “SI-clocks tick at 1 s/s” rhetoric must be deleted. The > > >>> error analysis must be replaced by a complete post-Newtonian expansion > > >>> with quantified residuals. The source handling for GLONASS and the > > >>> geostationary claim must be replaced by primary, current ephemeris > > >>> parameters and an independent calculation. The coordinate-time section > > >>> must be rewritten so that the distinction between coordinate time and > > >>> proper time is surgically clear rather than repeatedly blurred. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> This is the intellectual equivalent of serving a half-cooked > > >>> Wellington with the raw center still cold and claiming it is a > > >>> precision metrology instrument. > > >>> > > >>> The Swarmaker > > >> > > >> I heard "Paul B. Andersen" commited suicide after reading his reviews > > >> from the swarm! > > >> > > >> > > >> Let me have a look at Einstein's theory of everything is everything. I > > >> think i can fix it up.. > > >> > > >> it might be called 'The Gravity Unified Theory' now... > > >> > > >> subtitled: 'FUCKING NOTHING TRAVELS FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF > > >> LIGHT...while I'm alive. > > >> > > > > > >You'll be spinning in your grave a long time. > > > > > > > I can do 'a little simple prompting' and I can solve this thing you > > call...The Theory of Everything. > > with 'a little simple prompting' i can solve all your math problems. No > need for > yous to go to math skool anymore. with 'a little simple prompting' i can > crack the > mysteries of the universe. > > Your world is changing right before your very eyes now. > > i have all the knowledge i need. > > i have all the 'knowledge' i need. > > i have all the *knowledge* i need. > Ai is built incorectly. It needs to be rebuilt from the bottom up. It needs to be fed only pictures, no words or numbers. Just show a picture of Mars (without using the word Mars) and ask Ai, Prompt: What do you see? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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