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Re: Mercury mystery: Explain this, relativists. I bet you can't.

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JanPB wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:43:25 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > JanPB wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:57:07 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:07:34 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > For more than 170 years, the influence of planets on the advance of Mercury's
> > > > > perihelion has been computed using, most of the time, Gauss torus gravity
> > > > > formulae. Only since the '60s, with the advent of computers powerful enough,
> > > > > new algorithms and direct numerical calculations have been used.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yet, the most known tables: Le Verrier (1854), Newcomb (1895), Clemence
> > > > > (1947) and Park (2017) share a common hypocrisy:
> > > > >
> > > > > All of them use infinite speed of gravity to compute the influence of planets
> > > > > on Mercury's perihelion advance, except for the 300,000 Km/s speed for the
> > > > > influence of the Sun over Mercury (spacetime), since Einstein's 1915.
> > > > >
> > > > > And all the tables, since 1895, assign 532"/cy to Newtonian influence, using
> > > > > INFINITE speed of gravity, and 43"/cy to GR spacetime twisted and bent at
> > > > > c speed.
> > > > >
> > > > > All the popularized tables, averaging 575"/cy, have similar values since 1895:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Merc-Venus pull, arcsec/orbit): 3.15E-02 ; Distance (light-sec): 167.7
> > > > > 2) Merc-Earth pull, arcsec/orbit): 1.03E-02 ; Distance (light-sec): 305.6
> > > > > 3) Merc-Mars pull, arcsec/orbit): 2.82E-04 ; Distance (light-sec): 566.8
> > > > > 4) Merc-Jupiter pull, arcsec/orbit): 1.75E-02 ; Distance (light-sec): 2,401.3
> > > > > 5) Merc-Saturn pull, arcsec/orbit): 8.32E-04 ; Distance (light-sec): 4,571.6
> > > > > 6) Merc-Uranus pull, arcsec/orbit): 1.62E-05 ; Distance (light-sec): 9,390.4
> > > > > 7) Merc-Neptune pull, arcsec/orbit): 4.82E-06 ; Distance (light-sec): 14,821.8
> > > > > 8) GR influence, arcsec/orbit): 4.89E-03, ; Distance (light-sec): 0
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, have relativists no shame?
> > > > >
> > > > > They mix Newton's influence of about 532"/cy, with gravity acting at
> > > > > INFINITE speed plus an additional 8% (43"/cy) acting at c speed, with
> > > > > no remorse. Pure hypocrisy.
> > > > >
> > > > > The real problems are:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) GR is an HOAX, and the 43"/cy (even disputed by old and modern
> > > > > scholars), remain written in stone since the 1915 paper.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) No matter which adjustment is made on the total gravitational pull,
> > > > > it's fixed that work in this way:
> > > > >
> > > > > Newton's influence/cy + UNKNOWNS + 43"/cy = 575.3"/cy
> > > > >
> > > > > The last publicized table (2017, Park et all) made UNKNOWNS = 0,
> > > > > assigning errors to computes in solar oblateness.
> > > > >
> > > > > And the INFINITE speed of gravity is not questioned at all in the result
> > > > > of 5.3231 arcsec/year.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any comment, indoctrinated relativists?
> > > > As I thought, not a single idea come out to refute anything on the OP.
> > >
> > > That's because your post is nonsense, as usual, and people who know
> > > this stuff simply get bored of posting the obvious sometimes. We also
> > > have other, frequently much more interesting, things to do.
> > >
> > > > Relativity is an HOAX,
> > >
> > > Again, nonsense. Meaning that it's not even wrong, it's just complete
> > > meaningless conceptual chaos. Relativity CAN be critiques, just like
> > > any other theory (not only in physics) but it takes knowledge and
> > > brains to do it. It cannot be done by pretending a monomania refers
> > > to a real thing.
> > >
> > > One more time: see a doctor. There is something odd going on with
> > > your emotional responses to certain facets of everyday life.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jan
> > i don't don't if you are 'self-aware' Jan, but you beginning to sound
> > like you're always talking about yourself...
> 
> Repeating what I say is a cheap shot. Anybody can do it.
> 
> > maybe...YOU...are the one who is searching for a new hobby, or whish you
> > had one many moons ago.
> 
> No. It's very simple: I know this stuff. That's all there is to it.
> 
> --
> Jan

Well then, you have reached the end of the stuff you know.  No more
questions?


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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