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Re: Penrose's new book

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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 9:34:18 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 7:45:08 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One mustn't forget...quantum theory is ..just a theory.
> > > > >
> > > > > 10 points for arguing that a current well-established theory is "only a
> > > > > theory", as if this were somehow a point against it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Einstein was never happy with quantum theory because it denied a reality of things when they were not being observed."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Albert Einstein[I can't accept quantum mechanics because] "I like to think the moon is there even if I am not looking at it."
> > > >
> > > >     --Albert Einstein
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Nobody understands quantum mechanics." --Richard Feynman
> > >
> > > "Quantum theory" and "quantum effects" are about
> > > several features observed in nature of radiation,
> > > as a wave, which only exchanges as particulate,
> > > or in some discrete jump or band, so to be the
> > > quantum or quantized.  This is where otherwise
> > > exchanges of waves (of our usual classical wave
> > > model, where high energy physics may have its
> > > tachyonic/bradyonic wave model for ghost wave /
> > > pilot wave) are continuous, vis-a-vis, discrete.
> > >
> > > So, sometimes this is because there are observed
> > > "particles" at the detector, so as that defines
> > > the model, and sometimes this is because the
> > > mathematics would integrate the continuous and
> > > compute non-real-valued quantities (from,
> > > correspondingly, real-valued inputs).
> > >
> > > Then, as mechanical interfaces or detectors
> > > and real-valued quantities are necessary for
> > > the usual experimental and theoretical in the
> > > physics, it's important to so establish what
> > > these particles and waves are (and they're both,
> > > as we also know from theory and experiment),
> > > for a tractable implementation of experiment
> > > (or to use the effects of physics for machines).
> > >
> > > The measurement or observation effect, then,
> > > is among the issues in the quantum to understand,
> > > and the tachyonic/bradyonic wave model is among
> > > the issues in the quantum to understand, in
> > > the physics.
> > >
> > > For the quantum, "re-normalization" is actually
> > > "un-de-normalization".  Then, there seem these
> > > goals, to understand non-standard real numbers
> > > as to how there can be computing of normalized
> > > (or measured) quantities thus that normalization
> > > is implemented in the continuous instead of the
> > > discrete (or "quantized").
> > >
> > > So, the big challenge for foundations in physics,
> > > is the big challenge for foundations in mathematics,
> > > and as a usual explanation of the continuous and
> > > discrete, and all that it is.
> >
> > A point of that is that
> > most all particles of the
> > Standard Model "zoo" are
> > interactions of waves, in
> > fields (of waves).
> >
> > This is the same point as
> > that quantum mechanics
> > is continuum mechanics.
> >
> > Quantum mechanics is upheld
> > as it offers beautifully
> > precise extra-classical
> > predictions, given very
> > particular configurations
> > and energies of experiment.
> > While that is so, over time
> > it is always changing as
> > higher-energy experiments
> > come online and redefine the
> > "running constants", where
> > Avogadro's number grows.
> >
> > So, "quantum mechanics is
> > never wrong", or, "always
> > right", but it's never
> > quite what it was or will
> > be, just what it is.
> 
> so, is the moon there even if I'm not looking at it?
> 
> Does it suddenly materialize just because I look at it?

Or, is the moon not there when I'm not looking at it?

so, if the moon is not there when I'm not looking at it..

...and when I begin to open my eyes to look at it...it
materializes...and it's there????


Albert Einstein [I can't accept quantum mechanics because] "I like to
think the moon is there even if I am not looking at it."

--Albert Einstein

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