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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

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Date	2015-08-28 00:51 -0700
From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism, rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.
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bilgat@m.nu wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:33:48 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:36:22 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> >alt.atheism with message-id <mrmlpq$6pf$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >
> >>On 2015-08-27 04:46 AM, Attila < wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:44:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrkq9c$c1u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2015-08-26 03:43 PM, Attila < wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world.  It is a 'truth' because you say it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is universal to all people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It fits.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really
> >>>>>>>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and
> >>>>>>>>> dogshit dumb here,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking
> >>>>>>>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is nothing there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for
> >>>>>> you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank
> >>>>>> wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can
> >>>>>> call themselves the Sages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired
> >>>>> results.
> >>>>
> >>>> I tend to give them the credit if their story is true and their effort
> >>>> is genuine.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
> >>> effort?
> >>
> >>I don't know. I only wish them luck.
> >
> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
> >have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
> >discussing it?
> 
> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while



ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means
ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others
God exist....while atilla
job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in his
heart....he's seeking
confirmation of God.

Thread

Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:58 -0400
  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 19:58 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:31 -0400
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:47 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:40 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:19 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:58 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:00 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:49 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:26 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:02 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:43 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:44 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:46 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:36 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:33 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-27 16:47 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 00:51 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-28 07:44 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:19 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 10:08 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 05:03 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:22 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:04 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:16 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:29 +0800

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