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Actor/Erlang is dead, no Thread and Mailbox conflation [golang channels] (Was: AI Accelerators and ISO Prolog multi-threading)

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	sci.math, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Actor/Erlang is dead, no Thread and Mailbox conflation [golang channels] (Was: AI Accelerators and ISO Prolog multi-threading)
Date	2026-07-29 17:05 +0200
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Hi,

Mostlikely for high performance computing à la,
the Actor/Erlang model is dead, they might rely
on MPMC (Multiple Producer, Multiple Consumer)

queue entities separate from the threads. The
ISO Prolog multi-threading support had also such
threads. But besides that was also Actor/Erlang

leaning in practice, like SWI, where threads
have some default queues. So an actor is basically
a Thread and Mailbox conflation. While a MPMC queue

is a kind of separate Mailbox, where multiple
"actors" can read from and write from. A kind of
localized Linda Tuple store.

Which Programming language did adopted the
non-Actor pi-calculus model? Right golang
with its channels.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Usual question:
> 
>  > Why implement both pre-emptive threading
> AND cooperative tasks/engines?
> 
> I had implemented the ISO proposal in formerly Jekejeke
> Prolog, you find the ISO proposal here:
> 
> ISO/IEC DTR 13211–5:2007
> Prolog multi-threading support
> https://logtalk.org/plstd/threads.pdf
> 
> But the ISO proposal doesn't match modern WebGPU APIs,
> where your logical threads can live remotely in a dedicated GPU
> in the VRAM there, and where you would have launch
> 
> parameters that say: Hey please run 4096 compute
> shaders for me, that have independet thread state. Using
> cooperative multi-tasking as the orchestrator works well.
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Why does this Lama have a red pyjama.
>> Oh, its a baby Lama. Its still in the cradle
>> and needs some training:
>>
>> RedPajama-Data-v2
>> https://github.com/togethercomputer/RedPajama-Data
>>
>> But then Andrej Karpathy recently showed
>> GPT-2 training on rented GPUs for less
>> than 100 USD in less then 2 hours.
>>
>> So where do these grown up Lamas go.
>> Well Georgi Gerganov prefered C++/C
>> when he shouted Llama Llama Red Pyjama.
>>
>> But you also find WebLLM, wrapping the
>> underlying C++/C GPU interface via the
>> W3C standard WebGPU / WGSL, with JavaScript:
>>
>> In-Browser LLM Inference Engine
>> https://webllm.mlc.ai/
>>
>> My experience with WebLLM 6 months
>> ago on an iPad Pro 2024, still a little early
>> stage performance and robustness.
>>
>> But hey hardware of AI mobile iGPUs is
>> still evolving, and AI laptop, AI smartphones
>> and AI tablets, will soon feature Chinese
>>
>> hardware such some new Kirin AI in 2027.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Remember when first all local AI was Python
>>> and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
>>> using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:
>>>
>>> How it started:
>>>
>>> GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
>>> language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
>>> in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
>>> generative pre-trained transformer model
>>> designed to produce human-like text that
>>> continues from a prompt.
>>> https://www.eleuther.ai/
>>>
>>> How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:
>>>
>>> So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
>>> some calculations and I figure out “Okay, 65
>>> billion parameters. You probably need about
>>> 40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
>>> this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?”
>>>
>>> Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
>>> for all that I saw it’s pretty much GPT-J architecture
>>> with some modifications, like some extra memorization
>>> layers. It’s minor changes. Basically, again, the
>>> existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
>>> modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
>>> https://changelog.com/podcast/532
>>>
>>> Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
>>> Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
>>> ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>
>

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