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Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz

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Subject	Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz
From	"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>

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On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 11:57:36 AM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:53:25 AM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:18:18 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> > > 
> > > In this case it's clearcut: it was Einstein who provided a _novel_ physical basis for the already 
> > > developed mathematics. It was not only _novel_ but also surprisingly _minimal_, previous
> > > approaches at providing such physical basis had largely been ad hoc, like the Fitzgerald
> > > contraction hypothesis, etc.
> > > 
> > 
> > Thanks, it's interesting the background of Fitzgerald or 
> > Lorentz-Fitzgerald and "space contraction" and how that 
> > is re-framed in Einstein with "length contraction".
> > 
> > (Which, for an object to fill the space, is space contraction....)
> > 
> > https://philpapers.org/rec/DIETRO :  "They're not different...".
> > 
> > I find it quite as nice to consider "motion contracts space" 
> > as "the universe is always growing and also inflating", with 
> > "motion contracts space" and "the universe is all growing".
> > 
> > https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/288267
> > 
> > If space contracts, light's apparent speed remains invariant 
> > to the observers on either side.
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_rotation
> > 
> > Let's also keep in mind Jefimenko and "objects in the 
> > same space maintain proportions".
> > 
> > Baird writes a bit of a survey (after Terrell):
> >   https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0106049.pdf .
> > 
> > A usual argument of symmetry is finding two 
> > objects meet in the middle that they're in 
> > the same space and maintain proportions.  
> > This would be about relativistic contraction 
> > in particle colliders.
> > 
> > The collisions are modelled as two particles 
> > colliding, not two poles/spaghettis colliding, 
> > right.
> 
> 
> https://arxiv.org/abs/1005.4623 , "Relativistic length agony continued"
> 
> "Note on Dewan–Beran–Bell’s spaceship problem", (Redzic again), 
> eg http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008EJPh...29...11R :
> 
> 
> "According to the testimony of John Bell (1976), a polemic over this 
> old problem that was started once between him and a distinguished 
> experimental physicist in the CERN canteen was eventually passed 
> on to a significantly broader forum for arbitration:  the CERN theory
> division. A clear consensus emerged, testifies Bell, that the thread 
> would not break.  
> 
> It is now accepted, however, that the answer is wrong.  The elementary 
> explication, in Bell’s formulation, runs as follows:  ‘if the thread is just 
> long enough to span the required distance initially, then as the rockets 
> speed up, it will become too short, because of its need to FitzGerald 
> contract, and _must finally break_.   It must break  when, at a sufficiently 
> high velocity, the artificial prevention of the natural contraction 
> imposes intolerable stress’ (Bell 1976, emphasis added).
> 
> The purpose of the present note is to point out that the accepted 
> solution to the riddle (the thread will break when the ships reach 
> a sufficiently high speed),  is generally wrong.  More precisely, while 
> the accepted solution is correct for the mild variant of the problem, 
> it is generally wrong for its tough variant. In our analysis, we in no way 
> question Einstein’s special theory of relativity or the reality of 
> Dewan–Beran stresses that develop in a body which is constrained 
> to move in such a manner that its dimensions are fixed with respect 
> to an inertial frame.  We simply point out that according to special 
> relativity in some cases the thread will never break, regardless of 
> how close the ships’ speed approaches c.  The conclusion appears
> to be new.
> 
> The Dewan–Beran–Bell problem with its apparent paradoxes and 
> the rich physics hidden behind it may be used as a vehicle for 
> acquiring special relativistic mentality.  So we believe that the 
> present note could be an intriguing reading for the student of 
> relativity at the upper undergraduate level.  On the other hand, 
> it is hoped that the reader who is less innocent of relativity might 
> also find some food for thought in it."
> 
> 
> Peregoudov ( http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009EJPh...30L...3P) 
> objects to Redzic's explanation, because "the stretch increases 
> infinitely", but, if it's space contraction and the thread is moving 
> along, in the kinetic region that is defining the space contraction, 
> objects in the same flat space maintain proportions.
> 
> Then, the idea about stresses is that they'd be on the objects 
> outside the "kinetic region", maintaining rigidity.
> 
> Following some references of Redzic (	Redžić, Dragan V.),
> "We construct the string energy-momentum  tensor  
> by  using  an  intuitive  idea  that  the string is a chain 
> of point-like particles." -- https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.07106.pdf
> 
> "Furthermore, our expression for T_1^μν is implicitly 
> Lorentz covariant, which means that the form of Eq. (12) 
> remains the same in any inertial reference frame with 
> Cartesian spatial coordinates."
> 
> "Thus, if T is a tensor in special relativity theory, i.e., if it 
> transforms from one inertial frame to another by applying 
> the Lorentz transformation to both its indices, and if its 
> four-divergence is zero, then total four-momentum defined 
> by such T in Eq. (11) is constant in time and is a Lorentz four-vector."
> 
> These authors Serafin and Glazek refer to Kijowski and Magli, 
> "Relativistic elastomechanics as a lagrangian field theory".
> 
> 
> 
> "A new approach to relativistic elasticity theory is proposed.
> In this approach the theory becomes a gauge-type theory,
> with the diffomorphisms of the material space playing the
> role of gauge transformations. The dynamics of the elastic
> material is expressed in terms of three independent, hyperbolic,
> second order partial differential equations imposed on three
> (independent) gauge potentials. The relationship with the 
> Carter-Quintana approach is discussed."
>  -- Kijowski and Magli, "Relativistic Elastomechanics is a Gauge-Type Theory", 
>     http://cds.cern.ch/record/273073/files/9411212.pdf
> 
> So, "relativistic elastodynamics" has quite a lot going on, 
> and both Lorentz-Fitzgerald and Lorentz-Einstein are 
> relevant.


With the Bell's paradox the ships are at rest to each other 
and the string and if the space contract the string doesn't 
break.

This is that the rod/pole/ladder has the space contraction 
instead of each segment of length contraction that would 
break.

Now, relativistically, if the scissor flies across the string it
cuts it at more than one point.  (The scissor's a wave-front 
now.)

This is then like the Bohm-deBroglie pilot wave and about 
how the event of collapsing the waveform basically 
cuts the waves everywhere but where it collides at once, 
that it rolls up to the photon.

This is the idea that the wave breaks antipodally and rolls 
up as much as collapses.

It's very convenient that words maintain their usual meanings.

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