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what is x^dx equal to?

Started by7777777 <jussir@yahoo.com>
First post2018-09-29 03:54 -0700
Last post2018-10-08 01:17 -0700
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  what is x^dx equal to? 7777777 <jussir@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-29 03:54 -0700
    Re: what is x^dx equal to? Roland Franzius <roland.franzius@uos.de> - 2018-09-29 13:43 +0200
      Re: what is x^dx equal to? 7777777 <jussir@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-29 09:33 -0700
    Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-09-30 22:55 -0700
      Re: what is x^dx equal to? 7777777 <jussir@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-30 23:08 -0700
        Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-09-30 23:23 -0700
          Re: what is x^dx equal to? 7777777 <jussir@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-01 11:05 -0700
            Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 22:34 -0700
              Re: what is x^dx equal to? 7777777 <jussir@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-01 23:20 -0700
                Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 00:36 -0700
                  Re: what is x^dx equal to? 7777777 <jussir@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-02 13:48 -0700
                    Re: what is x^dx equal to? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-02 19:34 -0500
                    Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 00:02 -0700
                      Re: what is x^dx equal to? 7777777 <jussir@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-04 11:03 -0700
                        Re: what is x^dx equal to? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-04 13:36 -0500
                          Re: what is x^dx equal to? 7777777 <jussir@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-04 11:52 -0700
                            Re: what is x^dx equal to? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-04 20:59 -0500
                          Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 22:26 -0700
                            Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 00:24 -0700
                            Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 00:24 -0700
                            Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 00:24 -0700
                            Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 00:24 -0700
                            Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 00:24 -0700
                            Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 00:25 -0700
                        Re: what is x^dx equal to? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-10-04 21:39 +0200
    Re: what is x^dx equal to? Mathedman <Mathedman@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:10 -0500
    Re: what is x^dx equal to? Jan <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:25 -0700
    Re: what is x^dx equal to? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-02 19:35 -0500
    Re: what is x^dx equal to? Mathedman <Mathedman@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-07 08:47 -0500
      Re: what is x^dx equal to? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 01:17 -0700

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#424986

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-05 00:24 -0700
Message-ID<9a0ece60-985c-4dd7-9f57-308929640ad1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#424978
Den måndag 1 oktober 2018 kl. 08:08:13 UTC+2 skrev 7777777:
> maanantai 1. lokakuuta 2018 8.55.53 UTC+3 Zelos Malum kirjoitti:
> > Den lördag 29 september 2018 kl. 12:55:02 UTC+2 skrev 7777777:
> > > What is x^dx equal to ?
> > 
> > define what you mean with dx here.
> 
> 
> dx is the same as in f'(x) = dy/dx

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#424987

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-05 00:24 -0700
Message-ID<e414fed2-1c10-4111-89a7-3fd790182e80@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#424978
Den måndag 1 oktober 2018 kl. 20:06:00 UTC+2 skrev 7777777:
> maanantai 1. lokakuuta 2018 9.24.05 UTC+3 Zelos Malum kirjoitti:
> > Den måndag 1 oktober 2018 kl. 08:08:13 UTC+2 skrev 7777777:
> > > maanantai 1. lokakuuta 2018 8.55.53 UTC+3 Zelos Malum kirjoitti:
> > > > Den lördag 29 september 2018 kl. 12:55:02 UTC+2 skrev 7777777:
> > > > > What is x^dx equal to ?
> > > > 
> > > > define what you mean with dx here.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > dx is the same as in f'(x) = dy/dx
> > 
> > considering that is just notational convinience there, it still needs a proper definition to what it is.
> > 
> > neither dy nor dx in dy/dx refers to any number, x^dx is meaningless.
> 
> no, it is not meaningless. 
> 
> The correct answer was already provided here:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.math/mEIGH8xomvc/yAmuBlz1AQAJ

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#424988

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-05 00:24 -0700
Message-ID<b66191b7-1615-498f-b26b-67a6f0955b64@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#424978
Den tisdag 2 oktober 2018 kl. 08:20:42 UTC+2 skrev 7777777:
> tiistai 2. lokakuuta 2018 8.34.41 UTC+3 Zelos Malum kirjoitti:
> > >no, it is not meaningless. 
> > 
> > You can give it meanign but if you say it is from dy/dx=f'(x), then it is meaningless cause dy nor dx does not refer to a function, value or anything on their own, but together they do.
> > 
> > He assumed you meant a value of some sort (at which it is correct) but you are not refering to a value with your previous statement. Therefore it is wrong.
> > 
> > you can defien dx^2=0, we got nilpotent structures and such, but it is not like dy/dx=f'(x) then.
> 
> It is not wrong.
> 
> What function does dx refer in e^dx = 1 + dx ?
> 
> It comes from x^dx = 1 + ln x dx when x = e

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#424989

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-05 00:25 -0700
Message-ID<cd6ad899-fe09-43d1-8361-9b59e40d01d3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#424978
Den tisdag 2 oktober 2018 kl. 22:48:16 UTC+2 skrev 7777777:
> tiistai 2. lokakuuta 2018 10.36.47 UTC+3 Zelos Malum kirjoitti:
> > Den tisdag 2 oktober 2018 kl. 08:20:42 UTC+2 skrev 7777777:
> > > tiistai 2. lokakuuta 2018 8.34.41 UTC+3 Zelos Malum kirjoitti:
> > > > >no, it is not meaningless. 
> > > > 
> > > > You can give it meanign but if you say it is from dy/dx=f'(x), then it is meaningless cause dy nor dx does not refer to a function, value or anything on their own, but together they do.
> > > > 
> > > > He assumed you meant a value of some sort (at which it is correct) but you are not refering to a value with your previous statement. Therefore it is wrong.
> > > > 
> > > > you can defien dx^2=0, we got nilpotent structures and such, but it is not like dy/dx=f'(x) then.
> > > 
> > > It is not wrong.
> > > 
> > > What function does dx refer in e^dx = 1 + dx ?
> > > 
> > > It comes from x^dx = 1 + ln x dx when x = e
> > 
> > The it is not the same as in dy/dx=f'
> > 
> > it is somethign else that you haven't specified, some real number presumibly
> 
> y = f(x) = e^x 
> 
> f'(x) = dy/dx = (f(x+dx) - f(x))/dx =( e^(x+dx) - e^x )/dx = 
> (e^x * e^dx - e^x)/dx = e^x(e^dx - 1)/dx = e^x((1+dx) - 1)/dx = e^x 
> 
> so e^dx = 1 + dx 
> and 
> dx is the same as in f'(x) = dy/dx

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#424947

FromPython <python@python.invalid>
Date2018-10-04 21:39 +0200
Message-ID<5bb66c5a$0$3745$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#424933
Finished Finish 7777777 wrote:
> torstai 4. lokakuuta 2018 10.03.05 UTC+3 Zelos Malum kirjoitti:
>>>> f'(x) = dy/dx = (f(x+dx) - f(x))/dx
>>
>> FALSE!
>>
>> It is
>>
>> f'(x) = dy/dx = lim(h->0) (f(x+h) - f(x))/h
>>
>> The limit must be there
>>
>> and as others now have pointed out, your string of symbosl are meaningless cause you've not defined it properly and don't know basic calculus.
> 
> you stupid jerk there is no limit in f'(x) = dy/dx

You are a idiot, an ignorant and a jerk Herr Seven Seven.

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#424774

FromMathedman <Mathedman@hotmail.com>
Date2018-10-02 09:10 -0500
Message-ID<7834b80f-c8b7-e44e-f71a-87c6f6a1b8e2@hotmail.com>
In reply to#424509
On 9/29/2018 5:54 AM, 7777777 wrote:
> What is x^dx equal to ?
> 

absolutely nothing - it's a senseless grouping of
3 letters and one computer math symbol.

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#424782

FromJan <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-02 09:25 -0700
Message-ID<de0336b0-b967-42b0-9183-1e15c3a7d273@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#424509
On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 3:55:02 AM UTC-7, 7777777 wrote:
> What is x^dx equal to ?

Undefined. "dx" is (by definition) an element of a covector basis, and in a vector space
by definition vectors can be only added and multiplied by a scalar.

You are free to define symbols like "x^dx" but they should be consistent with the
already established usage to avoid confusion. OTOH if you intend this to be an
entirely different thing, use a different notation. Either way, you have to provide
a definition as currently this symbol is meaningless.

--
Jan

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#424812

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-10-02 19:35 -0500
Message-ID<pp12sm$mtg$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#424509
On 9/29/2018 5:54 AM, 7777777 wrote:
> What is x^dx equal to ?
> 

x^dx =  (x^d)*x   that is all.

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#425112

FromMathedman <Mathedman@hotmail.com>
Date2018-10-07 08:47 -0500
Message-ID<d4d61f5d-b453-c19e-795e-2b64a761ec2d@hotmail.com>
In reply to#424509
On 9/29/2018 5:54 AM, 7777777 wrote:
> What is x^dx equal to ?
> 
    4 typographical symbols !

Mathematically, it is nonsense.

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#425181

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-08 01:17 -0700
Message-ID<87116296-4a5d-4f88-83e3-8b376196ca42@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425112
Den söndag 7 oktober 2018 kl. 15:47:30 UTC+2 skrev Mathedman:
> On 9/29/2018 5:54 AM, 7777777 wrote:
> > What is x^dx equal to ?
> > 
>     4 typographical symbols !
> 
> Mathematically, it is nonsense.

It is, I told him but he is mathematically illiterate.

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