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Triangles and predicates

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First post2018-06-02 21:41 -0700
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  Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 21:41 -0700
    Re: Triangles and predicates Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-03 06:36 -0400
      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-03 03:48 -0700
        Re: Triangles and predicates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-04 14:00 +0000
          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 09:20 -0700
      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-03 05:03 -0700
        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-04 08:35 -0500
          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 06:47 -0700
            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 07:44 -0500
              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 06:09 -0700
                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 16:20 -0500
                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 21:16 -0700
                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 07:31 -0500
                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 06:44 -0700
                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 14:40 -0500
                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 13:31 -0700
                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-06 15:53 -0500
                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 21:01 -0700
                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:36 -0700
                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 23:17 -0700
                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 23:56 -0700
                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 00:12 -0700
                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 04:46 -0700
                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:20 -0500
                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:28 -0700
                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 10:10 -0700
                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:28 -0500
                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:30 -0700
                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:38 -0500
                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 05:50 -0700
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:33 -0500
                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:46 -0700
                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 16:59 -0500
                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:35 -0700
                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 05:49 -0500
                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:58 -0700
                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 04:15 -0700
                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 04:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:14 -0700
                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 23:57 -0700
                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 00:24 -0700
                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:02 -0700
                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:13 -0700
                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:25 -0700
                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:44 -0700
                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:09 -0700
                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 04:37 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:43 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:48 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 05:51 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 23:56 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 00:23 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 04:00 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 09:29 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 23:26 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 00:55 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:31 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 23:49 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:57 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 00:08 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 01:34 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 02:14 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 22:51 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-25 01:05 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 23:09 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 00:59 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-26 23:08 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 23:32 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 23:49 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 01:37 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-27 03:29 -0700
                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 20:30 -0500
                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 21:20 -0700
                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 18:32 -0500
                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-12 21:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 07:12 -0500
                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 09:10 -0700
                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 16:55 -0500
                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 21:27 -0700
                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-15 19:01 -0500
                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 20:57 -0700
                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-17 14:52 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-17 21:29 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-18 19:11 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 21:28 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-19 18:57 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-19 22:14 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-20 18:31 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 21:29 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:32 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 23:50 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-21 07:15 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 05:38 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-21 16:15 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 21:22 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-22 18:57 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-22 21:49 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-23 07:41 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-23 07:59 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:44 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 10:02 -0700
                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:19 -0500
                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:28 -0700
                                    Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:30 -0500
                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:36 -0700
                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 22:49 -0700
                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 23:20 -0700
                                            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 00:05 -0700
                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 00:35 -0700
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:39 -0700
                                        Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:39 -0500
                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 05:54 -0700
                                            Re: Triangles and predicates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-08 13:33 +0000
                                              Re: Triangles and predicates Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-08 15:37 +0200
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:44 -0700
                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:43 -0700
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:35 -0500
                                            Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:41 -0500
                                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:51 -0700
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 10:05 -0700
                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 06:48 -0700
                                                Re: Triangles and predicates "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 17:02 -0500
                                                  Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:39 -0700
                                                    Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 03:09 -0700
                                                      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 04:13 -0700
                                                        Re: Triangles and predicates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-11 08:08 -0400
                                                          Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 05:16 -0700
                            Re: Triangles and predicates Python <python@example.invalid> - 2018-06-06 23:05 +0200
                              Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 21:03 -0700
            Re: Triangles and predicates Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:36 -0700
      Re: Triangles and predicates "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:31 -0700
    Re: Triangles and predicates "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-25 23:41 -0700
      Re: Triangles and predicates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 01:00 -0700

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#415215

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-10 06:48 -0700
Message-ID<73115931-cc75-4cef-9ec7-5d19a72b663d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415157
On Saturday, 9 June 2018 19:06:00 UTC+2, Ross A. Finlayson  wrote:
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 9:51:54 PM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Friday, 8 June 2018 23:41:43 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > On 6/8/2018 7:54 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >> On 6/7/2018 11:36 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> After yours?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> > > >>>>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> > > >>>>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> > > >>>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> > > >>>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> > > >>>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> > > >>>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> > > >>>>>>>> definition then.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> > > >>>>>>> according to definition now.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Is?
> > > >>>>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> > > >>>>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> > > >>>>> getting it.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
> > > >>>> current definition". It didn't.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> > > >>> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> > > >>> fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was"
> > > >> modifying "time" not "the current definition".
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
> > > > grammar" from?
> > > 
> > > By learning to speak English.
> > 
> > I guess you didn't learn it enough to notice
> > it's not formalized, fuzzy, ambigous and inconsistent.
> > Reassuming, it's a language where thinking people
> > have a great advantage over dumb fanatics. You can't 
> > win. Even if it's your native language, not mine.
> 
> Euh, the prime numbers don't include 1.


Nobody said they do.

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#415253

From"Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Date2018-06-10 17:02 -0500
Message-ID<pfk76f$3fs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#415124
On 6/8/2018 11:51 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Friday, 8 June 2018 23:41:43 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> On 6/8/2018 7:54 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>> On 6/7/2018 11:36 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After yours?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
>>>>>>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
>>>>>>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
>>>>>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
>>>>>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
>>>>>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
>>>>>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
>>>>>>>>>> definition then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
>>>>>>>>> according to definition now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is?
>>>>>>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
>>>>>>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
>>>>>>> getting it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
>>>>>> current definition". It didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
>>>>> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
>>>>> fanatic morons always imagine such things.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was"
>>>> modifying "time" not "the current definition".
>>>
>>>
>>> Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
>>> grammar" from?
>>
>> By learning to speak English.
> 
> I guess you didn't learn it enough to notice
> it's not formalized, fuzzy, ambigous and inconsistent.

It's nowhere near as bad as you're making it out. You must not have been 
paying attention when you were supposed to be learning.

> Reassuming, it's a language where thinking people
> have a great advantage over dumb fanatics. You can't
> win. Even if it's your native language, not mine.

Funny, but dumb fanatic is a better description of you, so by your 
statement I'm the one with the great advantage.

Martin Shobe

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#415281

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-10 21:39 -0700
Message-ID<487316af-9074-4bd0-9c08-3f6dba98cf27@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415253
On Monday, 11 June 2018 00:03:01 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> On 6/8/2018 11:51 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Friday, 8 June 2018 23:41:43 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >> On 6/8/2018 7:54 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>> On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>> On 6/7/2018 11:36 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> After yours?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> >>>>>>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> >>>>>>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> >>>>>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> >>>>>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> >>>>>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> >>>>>>>>>> definition then.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> >>>>>>>>> according to definition now.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is?
> >>>>>>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> >>>>>>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> >>>>>>> getting it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
> >>>>>> current definition". It didn't.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> >>>>> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> >>>>> fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was"
> >>>> modifying "time" not "the current definition".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
> >>> grammar" from?
> >>
> >> By learning to speak English.
> > 
> > I guess you didn't learn it enough to notice
> > it's not formalized, fuzzy, ambigous and inconsistent.
> 
> It's nowhere near as bad as you're making it out. 

Poor idiot. What you're taking as disadvantage,
is really the source of its power. But, of course,
you don't even know what these words mean, because
your precious math is too primitive for them.


> Funny, but dumb fanatic is a better description of you

Show it.

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#415301

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-11 03:09 -0700
Message-ID<a422c146-a33f-4848-af09-b0ed27ae17f8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415281
Den måndag 11 juni 2018 kl. 06:39:21 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp.pl:
> On Monday, 11 June 2018 00:03:01 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > On 6/8/2018 11:51 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > On Friday, 8 June 2018 23:41:43 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >> On 6/8/2018 7:54 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>> On 6/7/2018 11:36 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> After yours?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> > >>>>>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> > >>>>>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> > >>>>>>>>>> definition then.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> > >>>>>>>>> according to definition now.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Is?
> > >>>>>>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> > >>>>>>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> > >>>>>>> getting it.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
> > >>>>>> current definition". It didn't.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> > >>>>> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> > >>>>> fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was"
> > >>>> modifying "time" not "the current definition".
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
> > >>> grammar" from?
> > >>
> > >> By learning to speak English.
> > > 
> > > I guess you didn't learn it enough to notice
> > > it's not formalized, fuzzy, ambigous and inconsistent.
> > 
> > It's nowhere near as bad as you're making it out. 
> 
> Poor idiot. What you're taking as disadvantage,
> is really the source of its power. But, of course,
> you don't even know what these words mean, because
> your precious math is too primitive for them.
> 
> 
> > Funny, but dumb fanatic is a better description of you
> 
> Show it.

Trivial

1: You refuse to read actual literature
2: You use various techniques to derail conversations because you cannot have it properly, including but not limited to Equivocation fallacy.
3: Generally refuse to engage in normal conversation. You make it extremely difficult to talk with you because no matter what, you always choose the least probably intepritation and derail everything.
4: WHen evidence is provided you ignore it completely.

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#415305

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-11 03:56 -0700
Message-ID<267a8b92-be97-42ae-b4fa-5d7c4990da8c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415301
On Monday, 11 June 2018 12:09:31 UTC+2, Zelos Malum  wrote:
> Den måndag 11 juni 2018 kl. 06:39:21 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp.pl:
> > On Monday, 11 June 2018 00:03:01 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > On 6/8/2018 11:51 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > On Friday, 8 June 2018 23:41:43 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >> On 6/8/2018 7:54 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>> On Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39:34 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>> On 6/7/2018 11:36 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:30:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On 6/7/2018 7:28 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 June 2018 14:20:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 11:01 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 22:53:35 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 3:31 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/2018 8:44 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 14:31:53 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 11:16 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:20:41 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2018 8:09 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 14:44:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:47 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:35:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But note, by
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's definition of prime, there was never a point where 1 was a prime
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by the old definition of prime, there will never be a point where 1
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't a prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow it can be again.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're equivocating. "Prime" meant one thing at one time and another
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing now.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things change. A mathematician can be surprised. Not me.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be surprised, one has to be aware.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was never a time that 1 was a prime given the current
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course theyre was a time 1 was prime given the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current meaning prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there was not.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there was.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> After yours?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of what? That some considered 1 a prime?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "This begins to change when Stevin showed how to calculate with decimal
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> real numbers in 1585, bringing on a confused period in which some held
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> unity to be a prime and others did not."[1]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> That by the current definition of prime, 1 isn't a prime?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> A prime number (or prime integer, often simply called a "prime" for
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> short) is a positive integer p>1 that has no positive integer divisors
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> other than 1 and p itself.[2]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> given the current meaning prime.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> No there wasn't. The current definition is the definition now, not the
> > > >>>>>>>>>> definition then.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> And, unfortunately, there was a time when 1 was a prime
> > > >>>>>>>>> according to definition now.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> So show that 1 is prime using the current definition
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Is?
> > > >>>>>>> Well, the difference between "is" and "was" is
> > > >>>>>>> difficult, and I'm not surprised you're not
> > > >>>>>>> getting it.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I'm not surprised that you think my use of the word "was" modified "the
> > > >>>>>> current definition". It didn't.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I'm not surprised that you imagine that everyone's duty is
> > > >>>>> to guess what you deigned to mean and obey it; arrogant
> > > >>>>> fanatic morons always imagine such things.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Why would you need to guess? English grammar has my use of "was"
> > > >>>> modifying "time" not "the current definition".
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Where, precisely, did you get this rule of "English
> > > >>> grammar" from?
> > > >>
> > > >> By learning to speak English.
> > > > 
> > > > I guess you didn't learn it enough to notice
> > > > it's not formalized, fuzzy, ambigous and inconsistent.
> > > 
> > > It's nowhere near as bad as you're making it out. 
> > 
> > Poor idiot. What you're taking as disadvantage,
> > is really the source of its power. But, of course,
> > you don't even know what these words mean, because
> > your precious math is too primitive for them.
> > 
> > 
> > > Funny, but dumb fanatic is a better description of you
> > 
> > Show it.
> 
> Trivial
> 
> 1: You refuse to read actual literature

A lie, as expected from fanatic trash. And,
of course, "it's written in BOOKS!" is the
most common "argument" of  fanatic trash.

> 2: You use various techniques to derail conversations because you cannot have it properly, including but not limited to Equivocation fallacy.

A lie, as expected from fanatic trash

> 3: Generally refuse to engage in normal conversation. You make it extremely difficult to talk with you because no matter what, you always choose the least probably intepritation and derail everything.

A lie, as expected from fanatic trash

> 4: WHen evidence is provided you ignore it completely.

What evidence, poor idiot? You only imagine
you provide it.

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#415312

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-11 04:13 -0700
Message-ID<f6811f3e-8d46-4941-99f4-435d75be0b49@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415305
>A lie, as expected from fanatic trash. And,
>of course, "it's written in BOOKS!" is the
>most common "argument" of  fanatic trash. 

Not at all, you don't know nor have ever read proper mathematics.

If you have not studied it you cannot hope to have anythign valid to say.

>A lie, as expected from fanatic trash 

Not at all, it is extremely easy to show. For example you constantly dragging in politics when it has no connection.

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#415320

FromVolney <volney@volney.invalid>
Date2018-06-11 08:08 -0400
Message-ID<pflone$bv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#415305
On 6/11/2018 6:56 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Monday, 11 June 2018 12:09:31 UTC+2, Zelos Malum  wrote:
>> 1: You refuse to read actual literature
> 
> A lie, as expected from fanatic trash.

Rave, moron, and spit. You're too stupid for anything
else, after all.

>> 2: You use various techniques to derail conversations because you cannot have it properly, including but not limited to Equivocation fallacy.
> 
> A lie, as expected from fanatic trash

Rave, moron, and spit. You're too stupid for anything
else, after all.

>> 3: Generally refuse to engage in normal conversation. You make it extremely difficult to talk with you because no matter what, you always choose the least probably intepritation and derail everything.
> 
> A lie, as expected from fanatic trash

Rave, moron, and spit. You're too stupid for anything
else, after all.

>> 4: WHen evidence is provided you ignore it completely.
> 
> What evidence, poor idiot? You only imagine
> you provide it.

Rave, moron, and spit. You're too stupid for anything
else, after all.

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#415325

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-11 05:16 -0700
Message-ID<4b70d7ab-8067-48ce-8948-e08b0c6d1b01@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#415320
On Monday, 11 June 2018 14:08:21 UTC+2, Volney  wrote:
> On 6/11/2018 6:56 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Monday, 11 June 2018 12:09:31 UTC+2, Zelos Malum  wrote:
> >> 1: You refuse to read actual literature
> > 
> > A lie, as expected from fanatic trash.
> 
> Rave, moron, and spit. You're too stupid for anything
> else, after all.
> 
> >> 2: You use various techniques to derail conversations because you cannot have it properly, including but not limited to Equivocation fallacy.
> > 
> > A lie, as expected from fanatic trash
> 
> Rave, moron, and spit. You're too stupid for anything
> else, after all.
> 
> >> 3: Generally refuse to engage in normal conversation. You make it extremely difficult to talk with you because no matter what, you always choose the least probably intepritation and derail everything.
> > 
> > A lie, as expected from fanatic trash
> 
> Rave, moron, and spit. You're too stupid for anything
> else, after all.
> 
> >> 4: WHen evidence is provided you ignore it completely.
> > 
> > What evidence, poor idiot? You only imagine
> > you provide it.
> 
> Rave, moron, and spit. You're too stupid for anything
> else, after all.

Rave, moron, and spit.  You're too stupid for anything
else, after all.

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#414850

FromPython <python@example.invalid>
Date2018-06-06 23:05 +0200
Message-ID<pf9ia5$1r1b$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#414844
Utter Insane Idiot mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
...
>> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> 
> Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> given the current meaning prime.

Sure, Mr Wozniak, different meangings are the same meaning because
the word "prime" is the same. As with Vodka, bad vodka is same as
good vodka. One of your problems.


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#414887

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-06 21:03 -0700
Message-ID<7b16ed2a-9a5a-4692-8e84-4e53b60030e6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#414850
On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 23:05:19 UTC+2, Python  wrote:
> Utter Insane Idiot mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 6 June 2018 21:40:49 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> ...
> >> Clearly 1 is not greater than 1, so 1 is not a prime.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, there was a time when current definition
> > was different. So, of course there was a time 1 was prime
> > given the current meaning prime.
> 
> Sure, Mr Wozniak, different meangings are the same meaning because
> the word "prime" is the same. As with Vodka, bad vodka is same as
> good vodka. One of your problems.

Rave, moron, and spit. You're too stupid for anything
else after all.

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#414889

FromZelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-06 22:36 -0700
Message-ID<fe4da2a5-227c-4458-8371-be998b6cda81@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#414610
>No. You have it wrong

No it is you, you cannot even grasp that in the old days of history, they operated under the assumption that euclidean geometry was the one and only geometry

>Still, 1 was a prime and now it isn't.
>Tomorrow it can be again. 

Incorrect, under the current definition

"an element p is a prime if it is a non-unit and if p|ab then p|a or p|b"

it will never be a prime again.

>As long as Euclid ruled, the sum of angles in a triangle
>was always 180. Now it is not. Nothing was changed? 

The sum of the angles is always 180 in euclidean geometry, just as it was back then. This has not changed.

The thing that is now is that we recognise other geometries as well and have generalized definitions and theorems to accomidate them.

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#414655

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-04 13:31 -0700
Message-ID<8809ad6d-8f6d-413d-afd4-1d271ac28c3b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#414501
On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:36:59 AM UTC-7, Jim Burns wrote:
> On 6/3/2018 12:41 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> 
> > One theory says that sum of angles in a triangle is 180.
> > Another says that "provable" predicte is a correct predicate
> > of AP language.
> > 
> > What do you think is easier to change? The sum of angles
> > in triangle or that something is "correct"?
> 
> Have you stopped beating your wife?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
> 
> Imagined conversation:
> 
> -- "How easy is it to change a natural number from prime
> to composite or from composite to prime?"
> 
> Not "easy" at all! Impossible!
> 
> -- "Ah! Then all natural numbers are prime or all are
> composite."
> 
> Well, *you* might invent an axiom that says that, but
> when you do, you won't be talking about natural numbers
> any longer. You'd probably be literally talking nonsense.
> But I doubt you'll notice, so go ahead.
> 
> Some naturals are prime and some are composite, but
> an individual number doesn't change. One can _change_
> _a number_ from a prime number to a composite number,
> but it would be misleading to suggest one has done the
> impossible and given 7 another factor, or something.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Euclidean_geometry
> There are models of Euclidean geometry constructed with
> real numbers. There are models of non-Euclidean geometry
> constructed with real numbers. They give different answers
> to the question "What is the sum of angles in a triangle?"
> 
> They do not contradict one another, no more than different
> answers to "Is this number prime?" are contradictory when
> asked of 7 and asked of 6. They are different models.
> 
> Since you are so determined that Godel's first incompleteness
> theorem should fail for Peano arithmetic, I will tell you
> how to do that. Maybe then you will go away. _Take away_
> _multiplication_ .
> 
> Of course, then Peano arithmetic won't be Peano arithmetic
> if you do that, it will be Presburger arithmetic.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presburger_arithmetic
> But, given what your question is, you won't notice the
> difference, so go ahead.

That's quite clear and correct, 
but a point to raise is for example 
about number theory's "integer" 
point at infinity.

There are various considerations that 
it's prime, and various that it's composite.

This is for "large" or "effectively infinity" 
systems where the largest value is effectively 
for example the product of all preceding, or, 
product of all preceding primes, or, one 
greater or less the product of all preceding 
primes, composite or prime, then there's also 
consideration in number theory whether there's 
a prime at infinity or composite, in an 
extension of the theory of integers.

The triangle (or, tri-lateral), yes it's 
so that the sum of its angles is pi radians 
while there's the usual angle formula for 
regular polygons or n-gons and n-laterals 
for various counts of sides besides corners.

This is all planar, some notion of a triangle 
surface that's perfectly flexible yet everywhere 
stiff and what happens when its corners are 
pulled together, has basically that for a 
suitably small region on a sphere, it's planar.
(And for a suitably large sphere it's spherical.)

I derive the area of a triangle from arguments 
in symmetry as about the integer lattice as 
build from a spiral space-filling curve as 
natural continuum in a geometry of points and 
spaces.

Or, you know, half of its doubled size.

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#416364

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-06-25 23:41 -0700
Message-ID<pgsn6m$9of$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#414499
On 6/2/2018 9:41 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> One theory says that sum of angles in a triangle is 180.
> Another says that "provable" predicte is a correct predicate
> of AP language.
> 
> What do you think is easier to change? The sum of angles
> in triangle or that something is "correct"?
> 

Simple riddle like thing...

You go one unit to the south; one unit to the east; one unit to the north.

You end up where you started...

Where are you?

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#416373

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-06-26 01:00 -0700
Message-ID<6defe7b6-0d4c-4818-8b61-f731c60d0d76@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#416364
On Tuesday, 26 June 2018 08:41:33 UTC+2, Chris M. Thomasson  wrote:
> On 6/2/2018 9:41 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > One theory says that sum of angles in a triangle is 180.
> > Another says that "provable" predicte is a correct predicate
> > of AP language.
> > 
> > What do you think is easier to change? The sum of angles
> > in triangle or that something is "correct"?
> > 
> 
> Simple riddle like thing...
> 
> You go one unit to the south; one unit to the east; one unit to the north.
> 
> You end up where you started...
> 

As simple as off topic, and it's the north pole.

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