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  OT? New Years Resolution Bill <BILL_NOSPAM@whoknows.net> - 2016-12-31 03:44 -0500
    Re: OT? New Years Resolution quasi <quasi@null.set> - 2016-12-31 07:42 -0500
      Re: OT? New Years Resolution bursejan@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 11:45 -0800
      Re: OT? New Years Resolution Bill <BILL_NOSPAM@whoknows.net> - 2016-12-31 19:22 -0500
      Re: OT? New Years Resolution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-12-31 21:07 -0500
        Re: OT? New Years Resolution Bill <BILL_NOSPAM@whoknows.net> - 2016-12-31 21:58 -0500
          Re: OT? New Years Resolution Carlo XYZ <carloxyz@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-01 13:23 +0100
    Re: OT? New Years Resolution: Against All Odds???? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 20:28 +0800
      Re: OT? New Years Resolution: Against All Odds???? bursejan@gmail.com - 2017-01-01 07:02 -0800
    Re: OT? New Years Resolution Simon Roberts <retenshun@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 06:58 -0800

#358711 — OT? New Years Resolution

I propose that, in the new year, we more proactively discourage posts 
from, or replies to, anyone who wishes to act like less than a 
gentle-person (and you know the folks I'm talking about).  What do you 
think, can we take (back) control together?

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#358722

Bill wrote:
>
>I propose that, in the new year, we more proactively discourage 
>posts from, or replies to, anyone who wishes to act like less 
>than a gentle-person (and you know the folks I'm talking about).  >What do you think, can we take (back) control together?

Anti-trolls are, in most case cases, just as obsessed as trolls, 
if not more so.

Some of the anti-trolls try to rationalize their behavior as
"defending the truth" for the benefit of naive newbies who might
otherwise be led astray. The anti-trolls who use that excuse
choose to ignore the obvious fact any newbie with even average
intelligence would quickly recognize the trolls as mathematical
sociopaths.

The reality is that the anti-trolls get just as pleasure as do
the trolls from the mutual interaction. It's a kind of addiction. 
They can't stop; they don't even want to. Trying to persuade
them to stop is futile.

In my opinion, the solution is simple:

Blatant anti-trolls should filtered out (even if some of them
occasionally post actual math). 

These days, I see very few posts -- most active users have 
qualified, in my judgement, as trolls or anti-trolls. The
few troll posts or anti-troll posts that make it through my
filter are quickly recognized as such and deleted without the 
need on my part to even open them. 

Thus, for me, sci.math is a quiet place. That's sad, but from
my perspective, seeing almost no posts is better than being 
deluged with constant nonsense.

quasi

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#358764

Since a lot of sci.math users such as WM or JG
have problems using axioms, here is my prefered
mnemonic. What do we do with axioms?

Well we use them as a premiss, for example here:

  ZFC |- {1} = {1}

But what does the word premiss mean?

late 14c., in logic, "a previous proposition 
from which another follows," from Old French 
premisse (14c.), from Medieval Latin premissa 
(propositio or sententia) "(the proposition) 
set before," noun use of fem. past participle 
of Latin praemittere "send forward, put before,
" from prae "before" (see pre- ) + mittere 
"to send" (see mission ).

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/premiss

So in German this would be possibly "zugrunde 
legen", "voraussetzen", "vorausschicken", etc... 
Wellcome to the game of math.

Bye

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#358792

quasi wrote:
<snip>

Thank you for your suggestions.  Happy New Year!   : )

Bill

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#358802

On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 07:42:09 -0500, quasi wrote:

>Bill wrote:
>>
>>I propose that, in the new year, we more proactively discourage 
>>posts from, or replies to, anyone who wishes to act like less 
>>than a gentle-person (and you know the folks I'm talking about).  >What do you think, can we take (back) control together?
>
>Anti-trolls are, in most case cases, just as obsessed as trolls, 
>if not more so.
>
>Some of the anti-trolls try to rationalize their behavior as
>"defending the truth" for the benefit of naive newbies who might
>otherwise be led astray. The anti-trolls who use that excuse
>choose to ignore the obvious fact any newbie with even average
>intelligence would quickly recognize the trolls as mathematical
>sociopaths.
>
>The reality is that the anti-trolls get just as pleasure as do
>the trolls from the mutual interaction. It's a kind of addiction. 
>They can't stop; they don't even want to. Trying to persuade
>them to stop is futile.

Why does that statement make me uncomfortable?

I agree that some (never I /ahem) overdo it.

Perhaps you overestimate a significant fraction of the population.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm
not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

Just look at how much traction the FUD over global warming got for
decades.

After many troll/anti-troll exchanges in the global-warming group, the
alarmists are looking increasingly silly and going silent.

For some reason, those who should have been voices of reason let the
insanity get out of hand in the real world.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
do nothing." -- Edmund Burke


>In my opinion, the solution is simple:
>
>Blatant anti-trolls should filtered out (even if some of them
>occasionally post actual math). 
>
>These days, I see very few posts -- most active users have 
>qualified, in my judgement, as trolls or anti-trolls. The
>few troll posts or anti-troll posts that make it through my
>filter are quickly recognized as such and deleted without the 
>need on my part to even open them. 
>
>Thus, for me, sci.math is a quiet place. That's sad, but from
>my perspective, seeing almost no posts is better than being 
>deluged with constant nonsense.
>
>quasi

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#358804

Wally W. wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 07:42:09 -0500, quasi wrote:
>
>> Bill wrote:
>>> I propose that, in the new year, we more proactively discourage
>>> posts from, or replies to, anyone who wishes to act like less
>>> than a gentle-person (and you know the folks I'm talking about).  >What do you think, can we take (back) control together?
>> Anti-trolls are, in most case cases, just as obsessed as trolls,
>> if not more so.
>>
>> Some of the anti-trolls try to rationalize their behavior as
>> "defending the truth" for the benefit of naive newbies who might
>> otherwise be led astray. The anti-trolls who use that excuse
>> choose to ignore the obvious fact any newbie with even average
>> intelligence would quickly recognize the trolls as mathematical
>> sociopaths.
>>
>> The reality is that the anti-trolls get just as pleasure as do
>> the trolls from the mutual interaction. It's a kind of addiction.
>> They can't stop; they don't even want to. Trying to persuade
>> them to stop is futile.
> Why does that statement make me uncomfortable?
>
> I agree that some (never I /ahem) overdo it.
>
> Perhaps you overestimate a significant fraction of the population.
>
> "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm
> not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

         I have a hunch A. E. didn't say that.  So you have a reliable 
source?


>
> Just look at how much traction the FUD over global warming got for
> decades.
>
> After many troll/anti-troll exchanges in the global-warming group, the
> alarmists are looking increasingly silly and going silent.
>
> For some reason, those who should have been voices of reason let the
> insanity get out of hand in the real world.
>
> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
> do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
>
>
>> In my opinion, the solution is simple:
>>
>> Blatant anti-trolls should filtered out (even if some of them
>> occasionally post actual math).
>>
>> These days, I see very few posts -- most active users have
>> qualified, in my judgement, as trolls or anti-trolls. The
>> few troll posts or anti-troll posts that make it through my
>> filter are quickly recognized as such and deleted without the
>> need on my part to even open them.
>>
>> Thus, for me, sci.math is a quiet place. That's sad, but from
>> my perspective, seeing almost no posts is better than being
>> deluged with constant nonsense.
>>
>> quasi

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#358822

Bill <BILL_NOSPAM@whoknows.net> wrote:

> Wally W. wrote:
> > "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm
> > not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein
> 
> I have a hunch A. E. didn't say that.  So you have a reliable source?

http://tinyurl.com/grmsuec (directs to skeptiker.ch)

Short version:
Most probably (but not surely), it is a proper quotation.

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#358823 — Re: OT? New Years Resolution: Against All Odds????

On 31/12/2016 4:44 PM, Bill wrote:
> I propose that, in the new year, we more proactively discourage posts
> from, or replies to, anyone who wishes to act like less than a
> gentle-person (and you know the folks I'm talking about).  What do you
> think, can we take (back) control together?

As long as it's mathematical .... :)

This music video reminded me of the movie The Mask!

Against All Odds by Phil Collins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVjEcIANv1o

The Mask Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmainxd74ac


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#358837 — Re: OT? New Years Resolution: Against All Odds????

Motto for 2017: kick ass and have fun
Especially kick JGs ass.

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#358962

On Saturday, December 31, 2016 at 3:45:27 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> I propose that, in the new year, we more proactively discourage posts 
> from, or replies to, anyone who wishes to act like less than a 
> gentle-person (and you know the folks I'm talking about).  What do you 
> think, can we take (back) control together?

What ever you say sweet heart.

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