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  Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:30 -0700
    Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-13 09:44 -0700
      Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 15:06 -0700
        Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-13 15:16 -0700
          Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 18:27 -0700
            Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. Vinicius Claudino Ferraz <boralaemcasa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:16 -0700
            Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-14 20:41 -0700
              Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-14 20:46 -0700
    Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. omar khalefah <omargreat@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-13 10:21 -0700
    Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 10:58 -0700
    Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 10:42 -0700

#345413 — Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.

I'll try to make this brief..

Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.

Take for example:

The "Mandelbrot set"


It is no different
than giving an Artist
cannabis
and music
and you get the same effect
in the mind of the Artist
that you get with the
"Mandelbrot set".


That is proof Math is an invention of man.

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#345415

On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> I'll try to make this brief..
>
> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
>
> Take for example:
>
> The "Mandelbrot set"

Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay 
small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his 
colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot 
set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery.


>
>
> It is no different
> than giving an Artist
> cannabis
> and music
> and you get the same effect
> in the mind of the Artist
> that you get with the
> "Mandelbrot set".

I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it 
kill their buzz?

;^)


>
>
> That is proof Math is an invention of man.
>

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#345451

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
> On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > I'll try to make this brief..
> >
> > Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
> >
> > Take for example:
> >
> > The "Mandelbrot set"
> 
> Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay
> small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his
> colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot
> set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery.
> 
> >
> >
> > It is no different
> > than giving an Artist
> > cannabis
> > and music
> > and you get the same effect
> > in the mind of the Artist
> > that you get with the
> > "Mandelbrot set".
> 
> I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it
> kill their buzz?


I didn't say "by hand", I wrote: "in the mind of the Artist"


"in the mind..."


That is where The "Mandelbrot set" exist Only, in the Mind.


Now, with 
giving an Artist
 cannabis
and music...
 you get the same effect
 'in the mind' of the Artist
 that you get with the
 "Mandelbrot set".









> 
> ;^)
> 
> >
> >
> > That is proof Math is an invention of man.
> >

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#345453

On 9/13/2016 3:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> I'll try to make this brief..
>>>
>>> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
>>>
>>> Take for example:
>>>
>>> The "Mandelbrot set"
>>
>> Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay
>> small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his
>> colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot
>> set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is no different
>>> than giving an Artist
>>> cannabis
>>> and music
>>> and you get the same effect
>>> in the mind of the Artist
>>> that you get with the
>>> "Mandelbrot set".
>>
>> I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it
>> kill their buzz?
>
>
> I didn't say "by hand", I wrote: "in the mind of the Artist"
>
>
> "in the mind..."

Wow. Smoking weed and listing to music can create zooms of the set in 
your mind?

>
>
> That is where The "Mandelbrot set" exist Only, in the Mind.

Na. You can actually plot it, its not that hard and pretty 
straightforward. Have you ever tried to do it?

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#345474

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
> On 9/13/2016 3:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> I'll try to make this brief..
> >>>
> >>> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
> >>>
> >>> Take for example:
> >>>
> >>> The "Mandelbrot set"
> >>
> >> Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay
> >> small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his
> >> colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot
> >> set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is no different
> >>> than giving an Artist
> >>> cannabis
> >>> and music
> >>> and you get the same effect
> >>> in the mind of the Artist
> >>> that you get with the
> >>> "Mandelbrot set".
> >>
> >> I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it
> >> kill their buzz?
> >
> >
> > I didn't say "by hand", I wrote: "in the mind of the Artist"
> >
> >
> > "in the mind..."
> 
> Wow. Smoking weed and listing to music can create zooms of the set in
> your mind?

Well of course! If you do a google Image search for 1970's vintage posters during the turn-on generation,

you will see ' zooms of the set'
https://img1.etsystatic.com/043/0/9722227/il_fullxfull.636981077_rkpv.jpg
http://67.media.tumblr.com/febcd47fc00a46dc729f039f7a27ee49/tumblr_nb10gavOKy1sndzdgo1_1280.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/22/96740684_c3f1867877.jpg
http://www.trippystore.com/shop/images/items/005195.jpg



> 
> >
> >
> > That is where The "Mandelbrot set" exist Only, in the Mind.
> 
> Na. You can actually plot it, its not that hard and pretty
> straightforward. Have you ever tried to do it?



You can do it without using math...


cannabis
 and music
....
the math version is just....LSD with numbers.

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#345534

Men invented fire.
Men discovered binary computer.
What do women invent?
What do women discover?

My point p of view is p = to invent = to discover.

Inventary Channel
twitter.com/mathspiritual #DiscoveryChannel

Em terça-feira, 13 de setembro de 2016 22:26:00 UTC-3, The Starmaker  escreveu:

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#345607

On 9/13/2016 6:27 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 9/13/2016 3:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> I'll try to make this brief..
>>>>>
>>>>> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take for example:
>>>>>
>>>>> The "Mandelbrot set"
>>>>
>>>> Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay
>>>> small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his
>>>> colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot
>>>> set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is no different
>>>>> than giving an Artist
>>>>> cannabis
>>>>> and music
>>>>> and you get the same effect
>>>>> in the mind of the Artist
>>>>> that you get with the
>>>>> "Mandelbrot set".
>>>>
>>>> I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it
>>>> kill their buzz?
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't say "by hand", I wrote: "in the mind of the Artist"
>>>
>>>
>>> "in the mind..."
>>
>> Wow. Smoking weed and listing to music can create zooms of the set in
>> your mind?
>
> Well of course! If you do a google Image search for 1970's vintage posters during the turn-on generation,
>
> you will see ' zooms of the set'
> https://img1.etsystatic.com/043/0/9722227/il_fullxfull.636981077_rkpv.jpg
> http://67.media.tumblr.com/febcd47fc00a46dc729f039f7a27ee49/tumblr_nb10gavOKy1sndzdgo1_1280.jpg
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/22/96740684_c3f1867877.jpg
> http://www.trippystore.com/shop/images/items/005195.jpg

Those are some beautiful pieces of art! Thank you for posting them.


>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is where The "Mandelbrot set" exist Only, in the Mind.
>>
>> Na. You can actually plot it, its not that hard and pretty
>> straightforward. Have you ever tried to do it?
>
>
>
> You can do it without using math...

Well, I guess one can. But, using math, one does not have to expose the 
mind to chemicals.

;^)


>
>
> cannabis
>  and music
> ....
> the math version is just....LSD with numbers.
>

LSD! Now, that shi% is really bad... A couple of friends of mine told me 
they never really felt the same after exposing their brain to it, and 
they actually regret doing it in the first place.

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#345609

On 9/14/2016 8:41 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 9/13/2016 6:27 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
[...]
>> cannabis
>>  and music
>> ....
>> the math version is just....LSD with numbers.
>>
>
> LSD! Now, that shi% is really bad... A couple of friends of mine told me
> they never really felt the same after exposing their brain to it, and
> they actually regret doing it in the first place.

Hummm. I think I may have missed your point. Are you saying that once 
one plots the MSet, one must have theoretically absorbed LSD, and its 
brain might be totally fried, even though it never has taken it at all?

;^)

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#345420

بتاريخ الثلاثاء، 13 سبتمبر، 2016 7:29:46 م UTC+3، كتب The Starmaker:
> I'll try to make this brief..
> 
> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
> 
> Take for example:
> 
> The "Mandelbrot set"
> 
> 
> It is no different
> than giving an Artist
> cannabis
> and music
> and you get the same effect
> in the mind of the Artist
> that you get with the
> "Mandelbrot set".
> 
> 
> That is proof Math is an invention of man.

you are right but I believe maths is both invention and discovery it is discovery like the nature numbers we have two hands and one head so  it is discovered from the nature and invention as you said

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#345427

On Tuesday, 13 September 2016 09:29:46 UTC-7, The Starmaker  wrote:
> I'll try to make this brief..
> 
> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
> 
> Take for example:
> 
> The "Mandelbrot set"
> 
> 
> It is no different
> than giving an Artist
> cannabis
> and music
> and you get the same effect
> in the mind of the Artist
> that you get with the
> "Mandelbrot set".
> 
> 
> That is proof Math is an invention of man.

MYTHMATICS is an invention, but MATHEMATICS is a discovery.

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#345542

On Tuesday, 13 September 2016 09:29:46 UTC-7, The Starmaker  wrote:
> I'll try to make this brief..
> 
> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
> 
> Take for example:
> 
> The "Mandelbrot set"
> 
> 
> It is no different
> than giving an Artist
> cannabis
> and music
> and you get the same effect
> in the mind of the Artist
> that you get with the
> "Mandelbrot set".
> 
> 
> That is proof Math is an invention of man.

A mathematician is like an artist, the objects arising from concepts in a mathematician's mind are only as appealing as they are well defined.

Math is not invented, it is discovered.

Knowledge is neither created nor invented, it is discovered as we become aware of it.

The Ancient Greeks were smarter than anyone who ever lived because they philosophized and everything comes from those efforts. The Ancient Greeks did not invent math. Any other race would have eventually discovered perfect concepts. It's just that the Greeks were 2500 years more evolved than all the other races. Proud to have Greek in my ancestry. Chuckle.

Who knows, if there is sentient life on other planets and they discovered pi, did they discover it as circumference over diameter or something else? :-)

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