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Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox

Started byolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
First post2025-11-27 08:36 -0600
Last post2025-11-30 11:16 +0200
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  Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-27 08:36 -0600
    Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-27 10:28 -0600
      Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-28 10:06 +0200
        Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox polcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 08:03 -0600
          Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-29 10:48 +0200
            Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 10:04 -0600
              Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-30 11:10 +0200
        Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-28 09:29 -0800
          Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 12:10 -0600
          Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 16:42 -0800
            Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-28 19:49 -0500
              Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 16:57 -0800
              Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 17:06 -0800
          Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-29 10:55 +0200
            Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 10:10 -0600
              Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:00 -0800
                Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 13:16 -0600
              Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-30 11:12 +0200
            on "Nothing is final" dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-29 10:53 -0800
              Re: on "Nothing is final" olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 13:00 -0600
    Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-27 18:07 +0000
      Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 16:43 -0800
        Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-29 01:20 +0000
          Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 17:28 -0800
        Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-29 11:06 +0200
          Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 14:37 -0800
            Re: Final Resolution of the Liar Paradox Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-30 11:16 +0200

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#641321

FromKaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
Date2025-11-27 18:07 +0000
Message-ID<20251127100623.777@kylheku.com>
In reply to#641308
On 2025-11-27, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
> This sentence is not true.
> It is not true about what?
> It is not true about being not true.
> It is not true about being not true about what?
> It is not true about being not true about being not true.
> Oh I see you are stuck in a loop!

Most people get over the Liar Paradox by the time they
are out of elementary school.

It shows your very low intellectual maturity to be
so captivated by the Liar Paradox.

-- 
TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr
Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca

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#641371

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2025-11-28 16:43 -0800
Message-ID<10gdfk1$2t12t$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#641321
On 11/27/2025 10:07 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2025-11-27, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This sentence is not true.
>> It is not true about what?
>> It is not true about being not true.
>> It is not true about being not true about what?
>> It is not true about being not true about being not true.
>> Oh I see you are stuck in a loop!
> 
> Most people get over the Liar Paradox by the time they
> are out of elementary school.
> 
> It shows your very low intellectual maturity to be
> so captivated by the Liar Paradox.
> 

It seems as if PO IS the liar paradox itself?

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#641375

FromKaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
Date2025-11-29 01:20 +0000
Message-ID<20251128171950.622@kylheku.com>
In reply to#641371
On 2025-11-29, Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/2025 10:07 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2025-11-27, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This sentence is not true.
>>> It is not true about what?
>>> It is not true about being not true.
>>> It is not true about being not true about what?
>>> It is not true about being not true about being not true.
>>> Oh I see you are stuck in a loop!
>> 
>> Most people get over the Liar Paradox by the time they
>> are out of elementary school.
>> 
>> It shows your very low intellectual maturity to be
>> so captivated by the Liar Paradox.
>> 
>
> It seems as if PO IS the liar paradox itself?

Oh, he's written more than a pair of docs, but they are garbage.

-- 
TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr
Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca

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#641376

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2025-11-28 17:28 -0800
Message-ID<10gdi7k$2v2eo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#641375
On 11/28/2025 5:20 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2025-11-29, Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/27/2025 10:07 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>> On 2025-11-27, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This sentence is not true.
>>>> It is not true about what?
>>>> It is not true about being not true.
>>>> It is not true about being not true about what?
>>>> It is not true about being not true about being not true.
>>>> Oh I see you are stuck in a loop!
>>>
>>> Most people get over the Liar Paradox by the time they
>>> are out of elementary school.
>>>
>>> It shows your very low intellectual maturity to be
>>> so captivated by the Liar Paradox.
>>>
>>
>> It seems as if PO IS the liar paradox itself?
> 
> Oh, he's written more than a pair of docs, but they are garbage.
> 

Shit. Well, December is almost here.

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#641386

FromMikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Date2025-11-29 11:06 +0200
Message-ID<742d16e6-85c0-4249-8824-b0d2e4a8e729@iki.fi>
In reply to#641371
Chris M. Thomasson kirjoitti 29.11.2025 klo 2.43:
> On 11/27/2025 10:07 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2025-11-27, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This sentence is not true.
>>> It is not true about what?
>>> It is not true about being not true.
>>> It is not true about being not true about what?
>>> It is not true about being not true about being not true.
>>> Oh I see you are stuck in a loop!
>>
>> Most people get over the Liar Paradox by the time they
>> are out of elementary school.
>>
>> It shows your very low intellectual maturity to be
>> so captivated by the Liar Paradox.
>>
> 
> It seems as if PO IS the liar paradox itself?


Not really. The Liar in the paradox always lies. Real world liars
lie only sometimes and good ones only the minimum they need in
order to avoid revealing the truths they want to keep secret. But
there also are people who don't care about truth and choose their
words by other criteria.

-- 
Mikko

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#641443

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2025-11-29 14:37 -0800
Message-ID<10gfsju$3prl2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#641386
On 11/29/2025 1:06 AM, Mikko wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson kirjoitti 29.11.2025 klo 2.43:
>> On 11/27/2025 10:07 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>> On 2025-11-27, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This sentence is not true.
>>>> It is not true about what?
>>>> It is not true about being not true.
>>>> It is not true about being not true about what?
>>>> It is not true about being not true about being not true.
>>>> Oh I see you are stuck in a loop!
>>>
>>> Most people get over the Liar Paradox by the time they
>>> are out of elementary school.
>>>
>>> It shows your very low intellectual maturity to be
>>> so captivated by the Liar Paradox.
>>>
>>
>> It seems as if PO IS the liar paradox itself?
> 
> 
> Not really. The Liar in the paradox always lies. Real world liars
> lie only sometimes and good ones only the minimum they need in
> order to avoid revealing the truths they want to keep secret. 

It's not a lie if you truly believe it?


> But
> there also are people who don't care about truth and choose their
> words by other criteria.

That seems to be PO like, in a sense...

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#641473

FromMikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Date2025-11-30 11:16 +0200
Message-ID<10gh20o$6v1h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#641443
Chris M. Thomasson kirjoitti 30.11.2025 klo 0.37:
> On 11/29/2025 1:06 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> Chris M. Thomasson kirjoitti 29.11.2025 klo 2.43:
>>> On 11/27/2025 10:07 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>> On 2025-11-27, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> This sentence is not true.
>>>>> It is not true about what?
>>>>> It is not true about being not true.
>>>>> It is not true about being not true about what?
>>>>> It is not true about being not true about being not true.
>>>>> Oh I see you are stuck in a loop!
>>>>
>>>> Most people get over the Liar Paradox by the time they
>>>> are out of elementary school.
>>>>
>>>> It shows your very low intellectual maturity to be
>>>> so captivated by the Liar Paradox.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It seems as if PO IS the liar paradox itself?
>>
>>
>> Not really. The Liar in the paradox always lies. Real world liars
>> lie only sometimes and good ones only the minimum they need in
>> order to avoid revealing the truths they want to keep secret. 
> 
> It's not a lie if you truly believe it?

Common Language is ambigous on that.

-- 
Mikko

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