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Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics

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  Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 16:14 -0500
    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 14:35 -0500
      Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-19 10:23 +0300
        Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 07:46 -0500
          Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-06-19 20:28 +0000
            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 15:50 -0500
              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-06-19 21:05 +0000
                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 16:24 -0500
            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 15:57 -0500
            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:30 -0500
              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 22:27 -0700
                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 09:20 -0500
            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 21:35 -0500
              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 22:27 -0700
                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 23:04 -0700
                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 09:29 -0500
                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 09:22 -0500
            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 21:40 -0500
              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-20 11:05 +0300
              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 14:02 -0500
                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 15:17 -0400
                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 12:30 -0700
                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 15:45 -0500
                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 15:03 -0500
                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 16:17 -0400
                      Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 16:03 -0500
                        Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 17:17 -0400
                      Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-21 13:02 +0300
                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-21 12:57 +0300
                      Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 18:51 -0500
                        Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 20:16 -0400
                        Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-22 10:13 +0300
                          Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 08:13 -0500
                            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 11:01 -0700
                              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 13:12 -0500
                              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 12:28 -0700
                            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-23 08:39 +0300
                              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 08:43 -0500
                                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-26 09:17 +0300
                                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 07:59 -0500
                                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-27 10:16 +0300
                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-21 12:48 +0300
                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 13:36 -0500
                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 12:54 -0600
                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-22 09:23 +0300
            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 08:50 -0500
              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-06-20 15:34 +0000
                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 10:47 -0500
                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-06-20 16:08 +0000
                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 11:37 -0500
              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-21 13:11 +0300
                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 18:55 -0500
                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-22 09:27 +0300
                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 07:05 -0500
                      Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-23 08:43 +0300
                        Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) --- One-two punch Destroys Liars olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 09:38 -0500
                          Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) --- One-two punch Destroys Liars Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 08:53 -0700
            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 09:51 -0500
              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-21 14:04 +0300
            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 16:39 -0500
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                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 18:15 -0500
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                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 19:44 -0500
                      Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-22 10:46 +0300
                        Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 10:16 -0500
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                                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics polcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 10:34 -0500
                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 21:27 -0700
                      Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 00:22 -0700
                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 21:16 -0700
              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-06-21 18:05 -0600
                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 19:14 -0500
          Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-20 10:50 +0300
            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 09:41 -0500
              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-21 13:17 +0300
                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 18:58 -0500
                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-22 09:41 +0300
                    Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 07:09 -0500
                      Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-23 08:55 +0300
                        Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 08:58 -0500
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      Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 22:25 -0700
        Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 09:18 -0500
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                        Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 11:57 -0500
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                      Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-06-20 19:48 +0000
                        Readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics --- analytic/synthetic distinction olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 16:00 -0500
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                                Disjunction introduction --- new premise from out of no where olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 17:26 -0500
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                                                    Re: Disjunction introduction --- new premise from out of no where "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 12:54 -0700
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                          Re: Readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics --- analytic/synthetic distinction Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-06-20 21:43 +0000
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                                                                          Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) --- cycles in directed graphs Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 05:13 -0700
                                                                            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) --- cycles in directed graphs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 09:59 -0500
                                                                              Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) --- cycles in directed graphs Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 10:00 -0700
                                                                                DAG of all general knowledge that can be expressed in Language olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 12:57 -0500
                                                                                  Re: DAG of all general knowledge that can be expressed in Language Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 12:31 -0700
                                                                                    Re: DAG of all general knowledge that can be expressed in Language "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 12:37 -0700
                                                                                      Re: DAG of all general knowledge that can be expressed in Language Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 13:16 -0700
                                                                                        Re: DAG of all general knowledge that can be expressed in Language "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 18:59 -0700
                                                                                    Re: DAG of all general knowledge that can be expressed in Language olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 14:51 -0500
                                          Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) --- cycles in directed  graphs Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-06-23 21:04 +0000
                                            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) --- cycles in directed graphs Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 19:25 -0700
                                Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 21:16 -0700
                                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 21:28 -0700
                            Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 15:08 -0500
                        Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 09:17 -0500
                  Re: Ross A. Finlayson, readings in (some of the) foundations of mathematics Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-06-23 09:26 +0300

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#645566

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-21 18:58 -0500
Message-ID<1119tr1$15c1h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645545
On 6/21/2026 5:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 20/06/2026 17:41, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/20/2026 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 19/06/2026 15:46, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/19/2026 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 18/06/2026 22:35, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>>>>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>>>>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>>>>>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whereas you are stuck to your own incoherent views and reject
>>>>> alternative views out-of-hand without review
>>>>
>>>> Calling my views (anchored in proof theoretic semantics)
>>>> incoherent merely proves that you are too damned lazy to
>>>> look into proof theoretic semantics.
>>>
>>> At different times you have expressed different opinions, which
>>> sometimes have been incompatible. But you have never clearly
>>> retracted your earlier opitions that conflict with your present
>>> ones.
>>
>> All of the ideas that I have ever had about these things
>> are now under the Proof Theoretic Semantics category.
>> These ideas have evolved over time, yet their essence
>> has remained utterly unchanged since 1997.
> 
> That's nearly thirty years, and you still havn't written a publishable
> (or nearly publishable) article about them.
> 

I have 50 pre prints articles. Because not one single
human being on the face of the Earth could understand
me I could not publish.

Now that I am acquiring the lingua franca of PTS I
will finally be able to publish.

-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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#645580

FromMikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Date2026-06-22 09:41 +0300
Message-ID<111ale5$1arkp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645566
On 22/06/2026 02:58, olcott wrote:
> On 6/21/2026 5:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 20/06/2026 17:41, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2026 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 19/06/2026 15:46, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/19/2026 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 22:35, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>>>>>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>>>>>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>>>>>>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whereas you are stuck to your own incoherent views and reject
>>>>>> alternative views out-of-hand without review
>>>>>
>>>>> Calling my views (anchored in proof theoretic semantics)
>>>>> incoherent merely proves that you are too damned lazy to
>>>>> look into proof theoretic semantics.
>>>>
>>>> At different times you have expressed different opinions, which
>>>> sometimes have been incompatible. But you have never clearly
>>>> retracted your earlier opitions that conflict with your present
>>>> ones.
>>>
>>> All of the ideas that I have ever had about these things
>>> are now under the Proof Theoretic Semantics category.
>>> These ideas have evolved over time, yet their essence
>>> has remained utterly unchanged since 1997.
>>
>> That's nearly thirty years, and you still havn't written a publishable
>> (or nearly publishable) article about them.
> 
> I have 50 pre prints articles. Because not one single> human being on the face of the Earth could understand
> me I could not publish.

As far as I have seen, all interesting content in those articles
that have any is or depends on claims that should be proven but
aren't.

> Now that I am acquiring the lingua franca of PTS I
> will finally be able to publish.

If all you can publish is in the topic area of PtS then they may
count as uninteresting to those whose primary problems are not in
that topic area.

-- 
Mikko

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#645589

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-22 07:09 -0500
Message-ID<111b8lg$1ghve$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645580
On 6/22/2026 1:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 22/06/2026 02:58, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/21/2026 5:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 20/06/2026 17:41, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/2026 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 19/06/2026 15:46, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/19/2026 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 22:35, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>>>>>>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>>>>>>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>>>>>>>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whereas you are stuck to your own incoherent views and reject
>>>>>>> alternative views out-of-hand without review
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Calling my views (anchored in proof theoretic semantics)
>>>>>> incoherent merely proves that you are too damned lazy to
>>>>>> look into proof theoretic semantics.
>>>>>
>>>>> At different times you have expressed different opinions, which
>>>>> sometimes have been incompatible. But you have never clearly
>>>>> retracted your earlier opitions that conflict with your present
>>>>> ones.
>>>>
>>>> All of the ideas that I have ever had about these things
>>>> are now under the Proof Theoretic Semantics category.
>>>> These ideas have evolved over time, yet their essence
>>>> has remained utterly unchanged since 1997.
>>>
>>> That's nearly thirty years, and you still havn't written a publishable
>>> (or nearly publishable) article about them.
>>
>> I have 50 pre prints articles. Because not one single> human being on 
>> the face of the Earth could understand
>> me I could not publish.
> 
> As far as I have seen, all interesting content in those articles
> that have any is or depends on claims that should be proven but
> aren't.
> 

They are proven in Proof Theoretic Semantics

>> Now that I am acquiring the lingua franca of PTS I
>> will finally be able to publish.
> 
> If all you can publish is in the topic area of PtS then they may
> count as uninteresting to those whose primary problems are not in
> that topic area.
> 

My extensions to PTS eliminate the LLM reliability issues.
This makes the Trillion dollar industry at least 100-fold
more valuable.

-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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#645625

FromMikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Date2026-06-23 08:55 +0300
Message-ID<111d74l$21rb6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645589
On 22/06/2026 15:09, olcott wrote:
> On 6/22/2026 1:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 22/06/2026 02:58, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/21/2026 5:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 20/06/2026 17:41, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/20/2026 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/06/2026 15:46, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/19/2026 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 22:35, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>>>>>>>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>>>>>>>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>>>>>>>>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whereas you are stuck to your own incoherent views and reject
>>>>>>>> alternative views out-of-hand without review
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Calling my views (anchored in proof theoretic semantics)
>>>>>>> incoherent merely proves that you are too damned lazy to
>>>>>>> look into proof theoretic semantics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At different times you have expressed different opinions, which
>>>>>> sometimes have been incompatible. But you have never clearly
>>>>>> retracted your earlier opitions that conflict with your present
>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of the ideas that I have ever had about these things
>>>>> are now under the Proof Theoretic Semantics category.
>>>>> These ideas have evolved over time, yet their essence
>>>>> has remained utterly unchanged since 1997.
>>>>
>>>> That's nearly thirty years, and you still havn't written a publishable
>>>> (or nearly publishable) article about them.
>>>
>>> I have 50 pre prints articles. Because not one single> human being on 
>>> the face of the Earth could understand
>>> me I could not publish.
>>
>> As far as I have seen, all interesting content in those articles
>> that have any is or depends on claims that should be proven but
>> aren't.
> 
> They are proven in Proof Theoretic Semantics

An aricle is not publishable unless it either contains the proof or
has a pointer to an olready published proof.

>>> Now that I am acquiring the lingua franca of PTS I
>>> will finally be able to publish.

>> If all you can publish is in the topic area of PtS then they may
>> count as uninteresting to those whose primary problems are not in
>> that topic area.
> 
> My extensions to PTS eliminate the LLM reliability issues.

Does not help as long as those extensions are not published so that
your articles can point to them.

> This makes the Trillion dollar industry at least 100-fold
> more valuable.

Value of some industry in January 2049 is a proor predictor of the
vale of the same industry in December 2049.

-- 
Mikko

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#645658

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-25 08:58 -0500
Message-ID<111jc6k$3qobi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645625
On 6/25/2026 2:18 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 24/06/2026 23:25, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/24/2026 4:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 23/06/2026 17:47, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/23/2026 12:55 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 22/06/2026 15:09, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/22/2026 1:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 02:58, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/21/2026 5:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 20/06/2026 17:41, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/20/2026 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/06/2026 15:46, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2026 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 22:35, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semantics/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whereas you are stuck to your own incoherent views and reject
>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative views out-of-hand without review
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Calling my views (anchored in proof theoretic semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>> incoherent merely proves that you are too damned lazy to
>>>>>>>>>>>> look into proof theoretic semantics.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At different times you have expressed different opinions, which
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes have been incompatible. But you have never clearly
>>>>>>>>>>> retracted your earlier opitions that conflict with your present
>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All of the ideas that I have ever had about these things
>>>>>>>>>> are now under the Proof Theoretic Semantics category.
>>>>>>>>>> These ideas have evolved over time, yet their essence
>>>>>>>>>> has remained utterly unchanged since 1997.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's nearly thirty years, and you still havn't written a 
>>>>>>>>> publishable
>>>>>>>>> (or nearly publishable) article about them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have 50 pre prints articles. Because not one single> human 
>>>>>>>> being on the face of the Earth could understand
>>>>>>>> me I could not publish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I have seen, all interesting content in those articles
>>>>>>> that have any is or depends on claims that should be proven but
>>>>>>> aren't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are proven in Proof Theoretic Semantics
>>>>>
>>>>> An aricle is not publishable unless it either contains the proof or
>>>>> has a pointer to an olready published proof.
>>>>
>>>> Only now after 28 years am I acquiring the lingua Franca
>>>> terms-of-the-art of proof theoretic semantics such that
>>>> I can anchor my ideas in the foundational work of the
>>>> most respected authors in the field.
>>>>
>>>> My issue with you guys is that you only spend 1%
>>>> of your concentration understanding me and the other
>>>> 99% trying to artificially contrive some baseless
>>>> rebuttal.
>>>
>>> THat "baseless" is false but otherwise, what is wrong is more
>>> important than what is right. Of one ignores what is right one
>>> mai fail to achieve what one could, but if one believs what is
>>> wrong one may achieve a disaseter.
>>
>> Proof-theoretic semantics is an alternative to truth-condition semantics.
>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>
>> So far no one has even acknowledged that PTS is an alternative
>> to truth-conditional semantics. Several people have seemed
>> to same that no alternative can possibly exist.
> 
> You have not shown that there is any need for any alternative semantics.
> 

With dangerous lies that can destroy Democracy
and kill the planet with climate change having
an ultimate arbiter of truth would be useful.

Truth Conditional Semantics <is> incoherent
compared to Proof Theoretic Semantics. PTS
essentially just coherently connects the semantic
meanings expressed in language together into
one coherent body of general knowledge.

It does this without undecidability or mathematical
incompleteness. When G and ~G cannot be proved in
PA it is ruled out-of-scope for PA. That they
can be proved on metamathematics shows that they
are in scope for metamathematics.


-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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#645673

FromMikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Date2026-06-26 09:34 +0300
Message-ID<111l6i1$b345$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645658
On 25/06/2026 16:58, olcott wrote:
> On 6/25/2026 2:18 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 24/06/2026 23:25, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/24/2026 4:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 23/06/2026 17:47, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/23/2026 12:55 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 15:09, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/22/2026 1:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 02:58, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/21/2026 5:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 20/06/2026 17:41, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/20/2026 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/06/2026 15:46, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2026 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 22:35, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semantics/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whereas you are stuck to your own incoherent views and reject
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative views out-of-hand without review
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calling my views (anchored in proof theoretic semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incoherent merely proves that you are too damned lazy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> look into proof theoretic semantics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At different times you have expressed different opinions, which
>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes have been incompatible. But you have never clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>> retracted your earlier opitions that conflict with your present
>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All of the ideas that I have ever had about these things
>>>>>>>>>>> are now under the Proof Theoretic Semantics category.
>>>>>>>>>>> These ideas have evolved over time, yet their essence
>>>>>>>>>>> has remained utterly unchanged since 1997.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's nearly thirty years, and you still havn't written a 
>>>>>>>>>> publishable
>>>>>>>>>> (or nearly publishable) article about them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have 50 pre prints articles. Because not one single> human 
>>>>>>>>> being on the face of the Earth could understand
>>>>>>>>> me I could not publish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as I have seen, all interesting content in those articles
>>>>>>>> that have any is or depends on claims that should be proven but
>>>>>>>> aren't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are proven in Proof Theoretic Semantics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An aricle is not publishable unless it either contains the proof or
>>>>>> has a pointer to an olready published proof.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only now after 28 years am I acquiring the lingua Franca
>>>>> terms-of-the-art of proof theoretic semantics such that
>>>>> I can anchor my ideas in the foundational work of the
>>>>> most respected authors in the field.
>>>>>
>>>>> My issue with you guys is that you only spend 1%
>>>>> of your concentration understanding me and the other
>>>>> 99% trying to artificially contrive some baseless
>>>>> rebuttal.
>>>>
>>>> THat "baseless" is false but otherwise, what is wrong is more
>>>> important than what is right. Of one ignores what is right one
>>>> mai fail to achieve what one could, but if one believs what is
>>>> wrong one may achieve a disaseter.
>>>
>>> Proof-theoretic semantics is an alternative to truth-condition 
>>> semantics.
>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>>
>>> So far no one has even acknowledged that PTS is an alternative
>>> to truth-conditional semantics. Several people have seemed
>>> to same that no alternative can possibly exist.
>>
>> You have not shown that there is any need for any alternative semantics.
> 
> With dangerous lies that can destroy Democracy
> and kill the planet with climate change having
> an ultimate arbiter of truth would be useful.

Those who are able and willing to destroy democracy are able to provice
an ultimate arbiter of truth and usually do so. But they don't need any
proof theoretic semantics.

-- 
Mikko

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#645682

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-26 08:05 -0500
Message-ID<111ltf4$hurp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645673
On 6/26/2026 1:34 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 25/06/2026 16:58, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/25/2026 2:18 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 24/06/2026 23:25, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/24/2026 4:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 23/06/2026 17:47, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/23/2026 12:55 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 15:09, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/22/2026 1:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 02:58, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/21/2026 5:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/06/2026 17:41, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/20/2026 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/06/2026 15:46, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2026 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 22:35, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semantics/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whereas you are stuck to your own incoherent views and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative views out-of-hand without review
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calling my views (anchored in proof theoretic semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incoherent merely proves that you are too damned lazy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look into proof theoretic semantics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At different times you have expressed different opinions, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes have been incompatible. But you have never clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> retracted your earlier opitions that conflict with your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the ideas that I have ever had about these things
>>>>>>>>>>>> are now under the Proof Theoretic Semantics category.
>>>>>>>>>>>> These ideas have evolved over time, yet their essence
>>>>>>>>>>>> has remained utterly unchanged since 1997.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's nearly thirty years, and you still havn't written a 
>>>>>>>>>>> publishable
>>>>>>>>>>> (or nearly publishable) article about them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have 50 pre prints articles. Because not one single> human 
>>>>>>>>>> being on the face of the Earth could understand
>>>>>>>>>> me I could not publish.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as I have seen, all interesting content in those articles
>>>>>>>>> that have any is or depends on claims that should be proven but
>>>>>>>>> aren't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are proven in Proof Theoretic Semantics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An aricle is not publishable unless it either contains the proof or
>>>>>>> has a pointer to an olready published proof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only now after 28 years am I acquiring the lingua Franca
>>>>>> terms-of-the-art of proof theoretic semantics such that
>>>>>> I can anchor my ideas in the foundational work of the
>>>>>> most respected authors in the field.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My issue with you guys is that you only spend 1%
>>>>>> of your concentration understanding me and the other
>>>>>> 99% trying to artificially contrive some baseless
>>>>>> rebuttal.
>>>>>
>>>>> THat "baseless" is false but otherwise, what is wrong is more
>>>>> important than what is right. Of one ignores what is right one
>>>>> mai fail to achieve what one could, but if one believs what is
>>>>> wrong one may achieve a disaseter.
>>>>
>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics is an alternative to truth-condition 
>>>> semantics.
>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>>>
>>>> So far no one has even acknowledged that PTS is an alternative
>>>> to truth-conditional semantics. Several people have seemed
>>>> to same that no alternative can possibly exist.
>>>
>>> You have not shown that there is any need for any alternative semantics.
>>
>> With dangerous lies that can destroy Democracy
>> and kill the planet with climate change having
>> an ultimate arbiter of truth would be useful.
> 
> Those who are able and willing to destroy democracy are able to provice
> an ultimate arbiter of truth and usually do so. But they don't need any
> proof theoretic semantics.
> 

An ultimate arbiter of truth blows their whole game away.

One-two punch Destroys Liars
#WhatIsTheEvidence
#ThatIsNotEvidence
Around and around until Defeated

Kristen Welker's (Meet the Press) interview of Trump
She cornered him and he gave up and left proving that
he has no evidence

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/read-transcript-president-donald-trump-interviewed-nbc-news-meet-press-rcna348508 

2026-06-07


-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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#645726

FromMikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Date2026-06-27 10:27 +0300
Message-ID<111nu11$13nu4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645682
On 26/06/2026 16:05, olcott wrote:
> On 6/26/2026 1:34 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 25/06/2026 16:58, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/25/2026 2:18 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 24/06/2026 23:25, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/24/2026 4:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/06/2026 17:47, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/23/2026 12:55 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 15:09, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/22/2026 1:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 02:58, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/21/2026 5:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/06/2026 17:41, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/20/2026 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/06/2026 15:46, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2026 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 22:35, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semantics/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whereas you are stuck to your own incoherent views and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative views out-of-hand without review
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calling my views (anchored in proof theoretic semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incoherent merely proves that you are too damned lazy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look into proof theoretic semantics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At different times you have expressed different opinions, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes have been incompatible. But you have never clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retracted your earlier opitions that conflict with your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the ideas that I have ever had about these things
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are now under the Proof Theoretic Semantics category.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> These ideas have evolved over time, yet their essence
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has remained utterly unchanged since 1997.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's nearly thirty years, and you still havn't written a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> publishable
>>>>>>>>>>>> (or nearly publishable) article about them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have 50 pre prints articles. Because not one single> human 
>>>>>>>>>>> being on the face of the Earth could understand
>>>>>>>>>>> me I could not publish.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As far as I have seen, all interesting content in those articles
>>>>>>>>>> that have any is or depends on claims that should be proven but
>>>>>>>>>> aren't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are proven in Proof Theoretic Semantics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An aricle is not publishable unless it either contains the proof or
>>>>>>>> has a pointer to an olready published proof.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only now after 28 years am I acquiring the lingua Franca
>>>>>>> terms-of-the-art of proof theoretic semantics such that
>>>>>>> I can anchor my ideas in the foundational work of the
>>>>>>> most respected authors in the field.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My issue with you guys is that you only spend 1%
>>>>>>> of your concentration understanding me and the other
>>>>>>> 99% trying to artificially contrive some baseless
>>>>>>> rebuttal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THat "baseless" is false but otherwise, what is wrong is more
>>>>>> important than what is right. Of one ignores what is right one
>>>>>> mai fail to achieve what one could, but if one believs what is
>>>>>> wrong one may achieve a disaseter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics is an alternative to truth-condition 
>>>>> semantics.
>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>>>>
>>>>> So far no one has even acknowledged that PTS is an alternative
>>>>> to truth-conditional semantics. Several people have seemed
>>>>> to same that no alternative can possibly exist.
>>>>
>>>> You have not shown that there is any need for any alternative 
>>>> semantics.
>>>
>>> With dangerous lies that can destroy Democracy
>>> and kill the planet with climate change having
>>> an ultimate arbiter of truth would be useful.
>>
>> Those who are able and willing to destroy democracy are able to provice
>> an ultimate arbiter of truth and usually do so. But they don't need any
>> proof theoretic semantics.
> 
> An ultimate arbiter of truth blows their whole game away.

THe point of the ultimate arbiter of truth is that the errors in the
determinations of any alternative arbiter can be detected and similar
errors in future can be avoided with suitable admistrative or other
actions if regarded necessary.

-- 
Mikko

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#645739

Frompolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-27 10:36 -0500
Message-ID<111oqmp$1kcet$2@solani.org>
In reply to#645726
On 6/27/2026 2:27 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 26/06/2026 16:05, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/26/2026 1:34 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 25/06/2026 16:58, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/25/2026 2:18 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 24/06/2026 23:25, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/24/2026 4:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/06/2026 17:47, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2026 12:55 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 15:09, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/22/2026 1:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 02:58, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/21/2026 5:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/06/2026 17:41, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/20/2026 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/06/2026 15:46, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2026 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 22:35, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semantics/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whereas you are stuck to your own incoherent views and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative views out-of-hand without review
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calling my views (anchored in proof theoretic semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incoherent merely proves that you are too damned lazy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look into proof theoretic semantics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At different times you have expressed different opinions, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes have been incompatible. But you have never clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retracted your earlier opitions that conflict with your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the ideas that I have ever had about these things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are now under the Proof Theoretic Semantics category.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These ideas have evolved over time, yet their essence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has remained utterly unchanged since 1997.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's nearly thirty years, and you still havn't written a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> publishable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or nearly publishable) article about them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have 50 pre prints articles. Because not one single> human 
>>>>>>>>>>>> being on the face of the Earth could understand
>>>>>>>>>>>> me I could not publish.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I have seen, all interesting content in those articles
>>>>>>>>>>> that have any is or depends on claims that should be proven but
>>>>>>>>>>> aren't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are proven in Proof Theoretic Semantics
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An aricle is not publishable unless it either contains the 
>>>>>>>>> proof or
>>>>>>>>> has a pointer to an olready published proof.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only now after 28 years am I acquiring the lingua Franca
>>>>>>>> terms-of-the-art of proof theoretic semantics such that
>>>>>>>> I can anchor my ideas in the foundational work of the
>>>>>>>> most respected authors in the field.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My issue with you guys is that you only spend 1%
>>>>>>>> of your concentration understanding me and the other
>>>>>>>> 99% trying to artificially contrive some baseless
>>>>>>>> rebuttal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THat "baseless" is false but otherwise, what is wrong is more
>>>>>>> important than what is right. Of one ignores what is right one
>>>>>>> mai fail to achieve what one could, but if one believs what is
>>>>>>> wrong one may achieve a disaseter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics is an alternative to truth-condition 
>>>>>> semantics.
>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far no one has even acknowledged that PTS is an alternative
>>>>>> to truth-conditional semantics. Several people have seemed
>>>>>> to same that no alternative can possibly exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have not shown that there is any need for any alternative 
>>>>> semantics.
>>>>
>>>> With dangerous lies that can destroy Democracy
>>>> and kill the planet with climate change having
>>>> an ultimate arbiter of truth would be useful.
>>>
>>> Those who are able and willing to destroy democracy are able to provice
>>> an ultimate arbiter of truth and usually do so. But they don't need any
>>> proof theoretic semantics.
>>
>> An ultimate arbiter of truth blows their whole game away.
> 
> THe point of the ultimate arbiter of truth is that the errors in the
> determinations of any alternative arbiter can be detected and similar
> errors in future can be avoided with suitable admistrative or other
> actions if regarded necessary.
> 

When all of the relevant facts are known then
counter-factual lies are easy to detect.

-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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#645811

FromMikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Date2026-06-28 11:04 +0300
Message-ID<111qkj7$3ft95$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645739
On 27/06/2026 18:36, polcott wrote:
> On 6/27/2026 2:27 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 26/06/2026 16:05, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/26/2026 1:34 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 25/06/2026 16:58, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/25/2026 2:18 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/06/2026 23:25, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/24/2026 4:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/06/2026 17:47, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2026 12:55 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 15:09, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/22/2026 1:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/06/2026 02:58, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/21/2026 5:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/06/2026 17:41, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/20/2026 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/06/2026 15:46, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2026 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/06/2026 22:35, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semantics/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whereas you are stuck to your own incoherent views and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative views out-of-hand without review
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calling my views (anchored in proof theoretic semantics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incoherent merely proves that you are too damned lazy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look into proof theoretic semantics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At different times you have expressed different 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinions, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes have been incompatible. But you have never 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retracted your earlier opitions that conflict with your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the ideas that I have ever had about these things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are now under the Proof Theoretic Semantics category.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These ideas have evolved over time, yet their essence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has remained utterly unchanged since 1997.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's nearly thirty years, and you still havn't written a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publishable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or nearly publishable) article about them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have 50 pre prints articles. Because not one single> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> human being on the face of the Earth could understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me I could not publish.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I have seen, all interesting content in those 
>>>>>>>>>>>> articles
>>>>>>>>>>>> that have any is or depends on claims that should be proven but
>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are proven in Proof Theoretic Semantics
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An aricle is not publishable unless it either contains the 
>>>>>>>>>> proof or
>>>>>>>>>> has a pointer to an olready published proof.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only now after 28 years am I acquiring the lingua Franca
>>>>>>>>> terms-of-the-art of proof theoretic semantics such that
>>>>>>>>> I can anchor my ideas in the foundational work of the
>>>>>>>>> most respected authors in the field.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My issue with you guys is that you only spend 1%
>>>>>>>>> of your concentration understanding me and the other
>>>>>>>>> 99% trying to artificially contrive some baseless
>>>>>>>>> rebuttal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THat "baseless" is false but otherwise, what is wrong is more
>>>>>>>> important than what is right. Of one ignores what is right one
>>>>>>>> mai fail to achieve what one could, but if one believs what is
>>>>>>>> wrong one may achieve a disaseter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proof-theoretic semantics is an alternative to truth-condition 
>>>>>>> semantics.
>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far no one has even acknowledged that PTS is an alternative
>>>>>>> to truth-conditional semantics. Several people have seemed
>>>>>>> to same that no alternative can possibly exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have not shown that there is any need for any alternative 
>>>>>> semantics.
>>>>>
>>>>> With dangerous lies that can destroy Democracy
>>>>> and kill the planet with climate change having
>>>>> an ultimate arbiter of truth would be useful.
>>>>
>>>> Those who are able and willing to destroy democracy are able to provice
>>>> an ultimate arbiter of truth and usually do so. But they don't need any
>>>> proof theoretic semantics.
>>>
>>> An ultimate arbiter of truth blows their whole game away.
>>
>> THe point of the ultimate arbiter of truth is that the errors in the
>> determinations of any alternative arbiter can be detected and similar
>> errors in future can be avoided with suitable admistrative or other
>> actions if regarded necessary.
>>
> 
> When all of the relevant facts are known then
> counter-factual lies are easy to detect.

Simple lies probably are. Nothing is easy about sufficiently complex
lies. And facts about sets and numbers and finite strings and other
topics must be sufficently restricted to prevent uncomputability of
decidability.

-- 
Mikko

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#645473

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-19 22:25 -0700
Message-ID<6Z6dnQvJd8T6uav3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#645452
On 06/18/2026 12:35 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>> Making sure to leave out
>>
>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>
>>
>
> Some people only memorize conventional views and
> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
> This seems to be the rigidly conformist and memorize
> by rote mindset.
>


Hm. Here there is a rather "rigidly conformist" approach,
and "an extreme rationalism", though, it's not the usual.

a principle of inverse
supplants, subsumes, and includes
a principle of non-contradiction/excluded-middle

a principle of thorough reason
supplants, subsumes, and includes
a principle of sufficient reason

a principle of implosion
obviates and makes an example of
a principle of explosion


The about "the theory" here is one called "The A-Theory" then it's
written as "theatheory" as an account of axiomless theory that
then makes for axiomless geometry and axiomless arithmetic after
a usual account since Hegel of the concepts Being and Nothing
after the Universal and Void for Leibnitz' "fundamental question
of metaphysics", providing the Euclidean geometry and Archimedean
arithmetic.

Then accounts of modern mathematics get involved
theories-of-one-relation and there are
at least three models of continuous domains,
at least three models of Cantor space,
at least three models of integers,
at least three laws of large numbers,
at least three probabilistic limit theorems,
and otherwise for accounts of
continuity and infinity
for a "Great Atlas of Mathematical Independence".

For accounts of language, is involved the Metonymy and Metaphor,
or "Comenius" and "Coleridge" language, about an objective account
of all the truth and an inter-subjective account of natural language.

Then physics is also included in "Foundations", in this sort
of paleo-classical post-modern super-theory and natural science.


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#645480

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-20 09:18 -0500
Message-ID<11167ff$4i7e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645473
On 6/20/2026 12:25 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 06/18/2026 12:35 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/17/2026 4:14 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossfinlayson
>>> Making sure to leave out
>>>
>>> Proof-theoretic semantics
>>> (an alternative to truth-condition semantics)
>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Some people only memorize conventional views and
>> reject alternative views out-of-hand without review.
>> This seems to be the rigidly conformist and memorize
>> by rote mindset.
>>
> 
> 
> Hm. Here there is a rather "rigidly conformist" approach,
> and "an extreme rationalism", though, it's not the usual.
> 
> a principle of inverse
> supplants, subsumes, and includes
> a principle of non-contradiction/excluded-middle
> 

Modern Logic has always simply ignored that an
expression may be semantically incoherent because
logic has always ignored semantics and focused
on syntax.

> a principle of thorough reason
> supplants, subsumes, and includes
> a principle of sufficient reason
> 

With logical induction reasoning can never be airtight
because inductive reasoning has the problem of induction.

> a principle of implosion
> obviates and makes an example of
> a principle of explosion
> 

Better than the POE yet not as sound as this:
Irrelevance Logic was always a stupid idea.

Disjunction introduction: P ∴ P ∨ Q
is not allowed. No new premises can be inserted.
This by itself prevent POE from being derived.

(P ∧ ¬P) ⊢ ⊥ // out of which nothing comes


-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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#645484

Fromdbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-20 10:36 -0400
Message-ID<11168gv$3mga$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645480
On 6/20/2026 10:18 AM, olcott wrote:
> 
> Better than the POE yet not as sound as this:
> Irrelevance Logic was always a stupid idea.
> 
> Disjunction introduction: P ∴ P ∨ Q
> is not allowed. No new premises can be inserted.
> This by itself prevent POE from being derived.
> 
> (P ∧ ¬P) ⊢ ⊥ // out of which nothing comes
> 
> 

Is the following statement true?

--------------------------------------
Earth is the third planet from the sun.
--------------------------------------

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#645488

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-20 09:54 -0500
Message-ID<11169ih$547p$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645484
On 6/20/2026 9:36 AM, dbush wrote:
> On 6/20/2026 10:18 AM, olcott wrote:
>>
>> Better than the POE yet not as sound as this:
>> Irrelevance Logic was always a stupid idea.
>>
>> Disjunction introduction: P ∴ P ∨ Q
>> is not allowed. No new premises can be inserted.
>> This by itself prevent POE from being derived.
>>
>> (P ∧ ¬P) ⊢ ⊥ // out of which nothing comes
>>
>>
> 
> Is the following statement true?
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Earth is the third planet from the sun.
> --------------------------------------
> 

Yes that is one element of what are now called atomic facts.
True(L, X) ≡ ∃Γ ⊆ BaseFacts(L) (Γ ⊢ X) // copyright PL Olcott 2018

-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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#645489

Fromdbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-20 10:57 -0400
Message-ID<11169oa$3mga$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645488
On 6/20/2026 10:54 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/20/2026 9:36 AM, dbush wrote:
>> On 6/20/2026 10:18 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>
>>> Better than the POE yet not as sound as this:
>>> Irrelevance Logic was always a stupid idea.
>>>
>>> Disjunction introduction: P ∴ P ∨ Q
>>> is not allowed. No new premises can be inserted.
>>> This by itself prevent POE from being derived.
>>>
>>> (P ∧ ¬P) ⊢ ⊥ // out of which nothing comes
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is the following statement true?
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>> --------------------------------------
>>
> 
> Yes that is one element of what are now called atomic facts.

Good.  Let's take that as a given.

Is the following statement true?

--------------------------------------
At least one of the following statements is true:
- Earth is the third planet from the sun.
- The moon is made of green cheese.
--------------------------------------

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#645490

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-20 10:22 -0500
Message-ID<1116b75$5kis$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645489
On 6/20/2026 9:57 AM, dbush wrote:
> On 6/20/2026 10:54 AM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/20/2026 9:36 AM, dbush wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2026 10:18 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Better than the POE yet not as sound as this:
>>>> Irrelevance Logic was always a stupid idea.
>>>>
>>>> Disjunction introduction: P ∴ P ∨ Q
>>>> is not allowed. No new premises can be inserted.
>>>> This by itself prevent POE from being derived.
>>>>
>>>> (P ∧ ¬P) ⊢ ⊥ // out of which nothing comes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is the following statement true?
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>> Yes that is one element of what are now called atomic facts.
> 
> Good.  Let's take that as a given.
> 
> Is the following statement true?
> 
> --------------------------------------
> At least one of the following statements is true:
> - Earth is the third planet from the sun.
> - The moon is made of green cheese.
> --------------------------------------
> 

It is hypothesized that all of the empirical atomic facts
are encoded. This means that what the Moon is made of is
already encoded.

-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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#645491

Fromdbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-20 11:23 -0400
Message-ID<1116b95$3mga$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645490
On 6/20/2026 11:22 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/20/2026 9:57 AM, dbush wrote:
>> On 6/20/2026 10:54 AM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2026 9:36 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/2026 10:18 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Better than the POE yet not as sound as this:
>>>>> Irrelevance Logic was always a stupid idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Disjunction introduction: P ∴ P ∨ Q
>>>>> is not allowed. No new premises can be inserted.
>>>>> This by itself prevent POE from being derived.
>>>>>
>>>>> (P ∧ ¬P) ⊢ ⊥ // out of which nothing comes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is the following statement true?
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>> Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes that is one element of what are now called atomic facts.
>>
>> Good.  Let's take that as a given.
>>
>> Is the following statement true?
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> At least one of the following statements is true:
>> - Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>> - The moon is made of green cheese.
>> --------------------------------------
>>
> 
> It is hypothesized that all of the empirical atomic facts
> are encoded. This means that what the Moon is made of is
> already encoded.

That's not what I asked.  I asked if the following statement is true:

--------------------------------------
At least one of the following statements is true:
- Earth is the third planet from the sun.
- The moon is made of green cheese.
--------------------------------------

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#645493

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-20 10:44 -0500
Message-ID<1116cg8$61cv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645491
On 6/20/2026 10:23 AM, dbush wrote:
> On 6/20/2026 11:22 AM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/20/2026 9:57 AM, dbush wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2026 10:54 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/2026 9:36 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>> On 6/20/2026 10:18 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better than the POE yet not as sound as this:
>>>>>> Irrelevance Logic was always a stupid idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Disjunction introduction: P ∴ P ∨ Q
>>>>>> is not allowed. No new premises can be inserted.
>>>>>> This by itself prevent POE from being derived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (P ∧ ¬P) ⊢ ⊥ // out of which nothing comes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the following statement true?
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>> Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes that is one element of what are now called atomic facts.
>>>
>>> Good.  Let's take that as a given.
>>>
>>> Is the following statement true?
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> At least one of the following statements is true:
>>> - Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>>> - The moon is made of green cheese.
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>> It is hypothesized that all of the empirical atomic facts
>> are encoded. This means that what the Moon is made of is
>> already encoded.
> 
> That's not what I asked.  I asked if the following statement is true:
> 
> --------------------------------------
> At least one of the following statements is true:
> - Earth is the third planet from the sun.
> - The moon is made of green cheese.
> --------------------------------------
> 

So you are not smart enough to understand that
when the actual composition of the Moon is specified
and that this composition is not green cheese that
the system would report false?

I will not play head sames with you on this. Instead
of head games your replies will be ignored.


-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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#645495

Fromdbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-20 11:48 -0400
Message-ID<1116cnr$3mga$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#645493
On 6/20/2026 11:44 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/20/2026 10:23 AM, dbush wrote:
>> On 6/20/2026 11:22 AM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2026 9:57 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/2026 10:54 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/20/2026 9:36 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/20/2026 10:18 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Better than the POE yet not as sound as this:
>>>>>>> Irrelevance Logic was always a stupid idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Disjunction introduction: P ∴ P ∨ Q
>>>>>>> is not allowed. No new premises can be inserted.
>>>>>>> This by itself prevent POE from being derived.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (P ∧ ¬P) ⊢ ⊥ // out of which nothing comes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the following statement true?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>> Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes that is one element of what are now called atomic facts.
>>>>
>>>> Good.  Let's take that as a given.
>>>>
>>>> Is the following statement true?
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>> At least one of the following statements is true:
>>>> - Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>>>> - The moon is made of green cheese.
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is hypothesized that all of the empirical atomic facts
>>> are encoded. This means that what the Moon is made of is
>>> already encoded.
>>
>> That's not what I asked.  I asked if the following statement is true:
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> At least one of the following statements is true:
>> - Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>> - The moon is made of green cheese.
>> --------------------------------------
>>
> 
> So you are not smart enough to understand that
> when the actual composition of the Moon is specified
> and that this composition is not green cheese that
> the system would report false?

So you're saying the moon is not made of green cheese?  So based on 
that, is the following statement true?

--------------------------------------
At least one of the following statements is true:
- Earth is the third planet from the sun.
- The moon is made of green cheese.
--------------------------------------


> 
> I will not play head sames with you on this. Instead
> of head games your replies will be ignored.

I am not playing head games.  I am merely employing Socratic questioning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_questioning

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#645500

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-06-20 09:45 -0700
Message-ID<duudnS_wx9s2Xqv3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#645495
On 06/20/2026 08:48 AM, dbush wrote:
> On 6/20/2026 11:44 AM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/20/2026 10:23 AM, dbush wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2026 11:22 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/2026 9:57 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>> On 6/20/2026 10:54 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/20/2026 9:36 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/20/2026 10:18 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Better than the POE yet not as sound as this:
>>>>>>>> Irrelevance Logic was always a stupid idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Disjunction introduction: P ∴ P ∨ Q
>>>>>>>> is not allowed. No new premises can be inserted.
>>>>>>>> This by itself prevent POE from being derived.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (P ∧ ¬P) ⊢ ⊥ // out of which nothing comes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the following statement true?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes that is one element of what are now called atomic facts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good.  Let's take that as a given.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the following statement true?
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>> At least one of the following statements is true:
>>>>> - Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>>>>> - The moon is made of green cheese.
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is hypothesized that all of the empirical atomic facts
>>>> are encoded. This means that what the Moon is made of is
>>>> already encoded.
>>>
>>> That's not what I asked.  I asked if the following statement is true:
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> At least one of the following statements is true:
>>> - Earth is the third planet from the sun.
>>> - The moon is made of green cheese.
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>> So you are not smart enough to understand that
>> when the actual composition of the Moon is specified
>> and that this composition is not green cheese that
>> the system would report false?
>
> So you're saying the moon is not made of green cheese?  So based on
> that, is the following statement true?
>
> --------------------------------------
> At least one of the following statements is true:
> - Earth is the third planet from the sun.
> - The moon is made of green cheese.
> --------------------------------------
>
>
>>
>> I will not play head sames with you on this. Instead
>> of head games your replies will be ignored.
>
> I am not playing head games.  I am merely employing Socratic questioning.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_questioning



If you intend to setup "material implication"
you can stop right there.

Here we have quite an account of De Morgan's
_laws_ of logic and direct implication quite
suffices, and furthermore "material implication"
and the "quasi-modal" is quite excluded from
"classical logic".

The "classical logic" has since Anaximander and Chrysippus
the "modal, temporal, relevance logic".

The Socrates was not much of a technical philosopher,
not so much "what is it?" as "what's in it for me?",
the sophist of the philo-sophy that's not the casuist
of the philo-casuy or philo-casuistry.

So, the "Platonist" and the "Epicurean" are two quite
thoroughly different accounts of the world,
so you better mind your p's and q's, and
anybody can make a simple example showing
that "material implication" is a "quasi-modal
setting for fallacy".

Any given day: Russell's an inconstant, hypocritical flake.

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