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Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise

From Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise
Date 2018-05-15 19:41 +0000
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WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 15. Mai 2018 08:57:42 UTC+2 schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
>> David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> wrote:

>> > Martin Shobe and Wolfgang Mueckenheim each gave slightly different
>> > translations of a quote from Hilbert:

>> > Shobe:
>> >  This theory is, I think, the finest product of mathematical genius and
>> >  one of the supreme achievements of purely intellectual human activity.

>> > Mueckenheim:
>> >  this appears to me as the most admirable blossom of mathematical
>> >  spirit and really one of the supreme achievements of purely
>> >  intellectual human activity.

>> How about quoting the original, so that we can make up our own minds?
>> :-)

> diese erscheint mir aIs die bewundernswerteste Blüte mathematischen
> Geistes und überhaupt eine der höchsten Leistungen rein
> verstandesmäßiger menschlicher Tatigkeit.

I would go with WM's translation as the more accurate; it's practically a
word for word translation.

>> > It's interesting how seemingly small differences in two translations
>> > can make such a big difference in meaning.

But I honestly can't get excited at the difference David sees between
these two translations.  "the finest product of mathematical genius" and
"the most admirable blossom of mathematical spirit" aren't different
things in practice, or in the real world.  What is produced by
"mathematical spirit" is mathematics just as what is produced by amber
spirit is drunkenness.

> I would prefer my translation.

> Regards, WM

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

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Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 13:26 -0700
  Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-12 20:24 -0500
    Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 14:59 -0700
      Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-13 20:22 -0500
        Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-14 00:54 -0700
          Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-14 19:17 -0500
          Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 21:00 -0700
            Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-15 06:57 +0000
              Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-15 06:04 -0700
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-15 19:41 +0000
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-15 19:54 -0500
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-16 03:04 +0200
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 17:53 -0700
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 20:44 -0700
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-17 18:32 +0000
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 21:56 -0700
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-20 18:54 +0000
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 12:13 -0700
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-20 14:15 -0700
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-20 14:21 -0700
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-20 14:26 -0700
              Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 08:47 -0700
            Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-15 20:09 -0500
              Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 17:57 -0700
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-16 20:39 -0500
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 20:02 -0700
                Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-17 06:56 -0500
    Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 13:55 -0700
  Re: Hiilbert and Cantor's paradise bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 18:50 -0700

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