Re: What amount of acceleration involved is too high for SR to apply?

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Am Sonntag000009, 09.08.2026 um 19:55 schrieb Ross Finlayson:
> On 08/09/2026 07:18 AM, Beau Holmogorov wrote:
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>>>> this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction
>>>> and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How
>>>> would you know all that without a reference, idiot
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually I'm against vectors and wanted to replace them with
>>> quaternions.
>>
>> my man, quaternions without references, just another thing you dont
>> undrestand. Draw a quaternion on a piece of paper, tell me what you got.
>> They also are crashing for tan and cot, making them useless in physics
>>
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠁⠄⠄⠄⠄⣠⣤⣴⣶⣶⣶⣶⣤⡀⠈⠙⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠄⠄⠄⠄⠄⣸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣆⠄⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠁⠄⠄⠄⢀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠄⠄⢺⣿⣿⣿⣿
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠄⠄⠄⠙⠻⠿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⠿⠛⠛⠻⣿⡄⠄⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠄⠄⠁ 👁️ ⠄⢹⣿⡗⠄ 👁️ ⢄⡀⣾⢀⣿⣿⣿
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠘⠄⠄⠄⢀⡀⠄⣿⣿⣷⣤⣤⣾⣿⣿⣿⣧⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠄⣰⣿⡿⠟⠃⠄⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡛⠿⢿⣿⣷⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠈⠁⠄⠄⠄⠄⠻⠿⢛⣿⣿⠿⠂⠄⢹⢹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡐⠐⠄⠄⣠⣀⣀⣚⣯⣵⣶⠆⣰⠄⠞⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡄⠄⠄⠈⠛⠿⠿⠿⣻⡏⢠⣿⣎⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
>> ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠟⠛⠄⠄⠄⠄⠙⣛⣿⣿⣵⣿⡿⢹⡟⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
>>
> 
> 
> "Triality is quadratic", is what Lounesto used to say,
> and it's about that usual accounts of the "complex" or
> "hypercomplex" analysis are two different things, though
> one imagines that the imaginary terms are not alike,
> that quaternions ijk are not the same as complex i,
> then that as modeling "rotations and reflections" that
> the usual use of the quaternion is more "Cartanian"
> about reflections and rotations, than "deMoivre-Euler-Gaussian",
> the usual accont of complex analysis, which is just a branch,
> and makes for distinctness results, not uniqueness results.
> 

I was actually playing around with the Dinkin diagram D_4, which is 
representing 'triality', and tried to connect that with physics.

look at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triality

and this file

file:///C:/Users/admin/Downloads/3FlavoursNeutrinoOscillationHiggsVEV.pdf

(and at my 'book':

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing
)

Th


> The other day I was watching a math stream and the fellow
> was working out deriving Euler's identity. Anyway at
> some point he got to working on establishing the "existence
> and uniqueness of inverse multiplication" or division, in
> complex numbers. So, then working through his example,
> as he put it, "messy elimination" of that the existence
> is easy to figure out yet the uniqueness of quotients
> is an _axiom_ since they are left-complex and right-complex
> quotients, to begin, the usual idea that complex division
> is unique is as closed-minded as that there are no square
> roots of negative numbers, nor even negative numbers,
> nor even numbers.
> 
> So, Euler & Gauss is not the only game in town,
> and Cartan has his own sorts of rules.
> 
> Usual accounts of the "almost" and "very" are
> as much "not-quite" as "close-enough". Then,
> people with their Hilbert problems and Millenium
> problems and "solve the Riemann problem" make
> for that maybe they want to "un-solve" it first.
> 
>

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Re: What amount of acceleration involved is too high for SR to apply? Hayden Maksimov <mmivy@eh.ru> - 2026-08-01 14:00 +0000
  Re: What amount of acceleration involved is too high for SR to apply? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-08-03 06:28 +0200
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