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Re: Doees The Shit of Einstein predict any measurement results or not

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Date 2026-08-14 17:53 +0000
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Le 14/08/2026 à 19:38, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
> On 8/14/2026 7:27 PM, Python wrote:
>> Le 14/08/2026 à 19:14, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>> On 8/14/2026 6:42 PM, Python wrote:
>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 18:36, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>> On 8/14/2026 3:09 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 15:02, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 2:42 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 14:37, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 2:31 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 14:18, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 1:53 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 13:50, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 1:32 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 13:13, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 12:53 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 12:51, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 10:40 AM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 08:13, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 1:57 AM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You claim that GPS uses a physical model different 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relativity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then one of two things must be true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either you know that model.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or you do not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about - I know its part [one of the  chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postulates]?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again: your mad Shit is postulating clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be  identical. GPS (and any sane people as well)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is  postulating clocks to be synchronized. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the same and it is excluding each other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you know it, then you should be able to state at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least its equations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or predictions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do not know it, then you cannot legitimately 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicts relativity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, poor piece of shit - your opinion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of what I can or not is utterly worthless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a simple logical mistake in your argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You keep contrasting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     "identical clocks"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     "synchronized clocks"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as if they were mutually exclusive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, your idiot guru has proven they are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an idiot but he was right in that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, your own sentence disproves your claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You say Einstein "proved" that identical clocks and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synchronized clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are equivalent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, poor piece of shit, I say he proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're mutually exclusive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idiot was soooooo proud that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the clocks he invented won't keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sync....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is now:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     "Einstein proved that identical clocks and synchronized 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clocks are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     mutually exclusive."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is exactly the opposite of what Einstein does in his 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1905 paper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The construction is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     1. Take two clocks "in all respects resembling one 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     2. Synchronize them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     3. Ask what happens after they follow different 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worldlines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the initial event the clocks are therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     - identical;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     - synchronized.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the two properties cannot possibly be mutually exclusive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, a single counterexample disproves your claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take two identical atomic clocks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Place them side by side.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adjust them so that both display
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     12:00:00.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they identical?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they synchronized?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     identical AND synchronized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is perfectly possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Conversely, the two notions are logically independent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two clocks may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     - identical but not synchronized;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     - synchronized but not identical;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     - identical and synchronized;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     - neither.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no logical contradiction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The word "identical" refers to the physical properties of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the clocks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The word "synchronized" refers to the values displayed by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the clocks at a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given event according to a synchronization procedure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those are different concepts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your last sentence is also incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You write:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     "The idiot was so proud that the clocks he invented 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't keep sync."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein did not invent clocks that "refuse to stay 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synchronized".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, he did. You know it very well - you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just such a pathetic piece of lying shit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is a property of spacetime geometry, not a defect of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the clocks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The clocks are just great - they don't work,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it's "spacetime" to blame, not the inventor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go fuck yourself, poor, poor, poor brainwashed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are changing the statement again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Special relativity does not say that clocks "don't work".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't give a damn to what your insane
>>>>>>>>>>> Shit mumbles or not.
>>>>>>>>>>> They're not in sync = they don't work.
>>>>>>>>>>> You may check GPS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your premise is false.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Working correctly means
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure. In your mad religion correct
>>>>>>>>> is whatever your mad guru announce to
>>>>>>>>> be correct, proper is whatever your mad
>>>>>>>>> guru announce to be proper, good is
>>>>>>>>> whatever your mad guru announce to
>>>>>>>>> be good - and if it doesn't work
>>>>>>>>> it's "spacetime" to blame, not your
>>>>>>>>> mad guru.
>>>>>>>>> I know that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, go fuck yourself, poor, poor, poor,
>>>>>>>>> poor brainwashed idiot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maciej,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You keep repeating
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     "not synchronized = not working."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Repeating it does not make it true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As someone who repeatedly presented himself as an information 
>>>>>>>> engineer,
>>>>>>>> you know perfectly well that these are different concepts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consider a distributed computer system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two perfectly functioning clocks may differ by
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     10 us,
>>>>>>>>     10 ms,
>>>>>>>>     or 10 s.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are no longer synchronized.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does that mean every oscillator suddenly stopped working?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It simply means they accumulated different elapsed times and must be
>>>>>>>> resynchronized.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GPS is exactly the same.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Satellite atomic clocks are excellent clocks.
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > They are not "broken".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what a postulate of some made idiot
>>>>>>> is asserting, sure.
>>>>>>> GPS staff (and myself) has another postulate,
>>>>>>> however. So - yes, they are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway - the idiot has proudly proven that
>>>>>>> his perfect differently clocks will not keep
>>>>>>> sync (except of some practically almost
>>>>>>> unreachable special cases). While he was an idiot
>>>>>>> - he was right about that. Yes, identical
>>>>>>> and synchronized clocks exclude each other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maciej,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you are making a very strong claim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You write that GPS engineers consider satellite clocks to be "broken".
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, they do not.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they do not. Why would they?
>>>>> The clocks indicate t'=t with good accuracy, just
>>>>> like the engineers assumed they should.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they were identical and fitting your SI idiocy -
>>>>> it would be definitely incorrect for the engineers,
>>>>> however.
>>>>
>>>> Maciej,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> This is actually progress.
>>>>
>>>> A few messages ago you claimed that GPS engineers consider satellite
>>>> clocks "broken."
>>>>
>>>> Now you say something different.
>>>>
>>>> You write:
>>>>
>>>>     "The clocks indicate t'=t with good accuracy."
>>>>
>>>> Exactly.
>>>>
>>>> That is the synchronization objective of the GPS system.
>>>>
>>>> It is not a statement that the clocks are defective.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, you have now silently abandoned your previous claim that
>>>>
>>>>     not synchronized => broken.
>>>
>>> Of course I didn't. You lie, like usual, and
>>> the clocks of GPS are synchronized, just like
>>> the engineers postulated them to be.
>>> Not indentical, as postulated by some mumbling
>>> madmen.
>> 
>> As "one of the best logicians Humanity ever had", you should immediately
>> notice the category error.
>> 
>> "Identical" is a property of an individual clock.
> 
> Excuse me, "identical" is what?

Maciej,

We are probably using different meanings of the word "identical".

Please define it.

Do you mean

(A) same physical construction?

(B) same calibration?

(C) same displayed reading?

(D) something else?

Because throughout this discussion you seem to switch between those
meanings.

In engineering, those are different concepts.

In Einstein's 1905 paper, "another clock in all respects resembling the
one at A" clearly refers to (A).

Synchronization is introduced afterwards.

So Einstein explicitly distinguishes the two notions.

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                Re: Doees The Shit of Einstein predict any measurement results or not Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-11 20:11 +0200
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                Re: Doees The Shit of Einstein predict any measurement results or not Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-11 22:15 +0200
                Re: Doees The Shit of Einstein predict any measurement results or not "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-12 21:11 +0200
                Re: Doees The Shit of Einstein predict any measurement results or not Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-12 21:14 +0200
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